Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[marcyjoy]

Actually, water is said to speed up decomposition.

"Therefore, if a dead body is exposed to water or air, then it will dramatically decompose."
http://www.enkivillage.com/how-long-does-it-take-for-a-body-to-decompose.html

I'm not sure what I think happened. I do know that it isn't terribly uncommon for someone committing suicide to go somewhere where they are sure their family will not find them. I'm not saying this happened, I'm just throwing this out there. If she did it in her car or her house, her family would have most likely found her. She might have tried to spare them that.

As an aside, if anything happens to a loved one of mine, LE is going to have a field day with the types of google searches I've been conducting

 

[Ontario Mom]

Can this case get any more bizarre?

Why even release that info about self-inflicted finger cuts? Finger cuts sure as heck didn't transport her from her car to a culvert a mile away.

 

[DatelineFan]

I don't drink, but that could change in about an hour when I'm off work. Or I need Ativan or something. This is nuts!

 

[steelman]

It is starting to seem like that to me, too, but the logistics seem impossible - your sarcastic post above makes clear how hard it would be to find suicide a believable outcome. Waiting on tox results would explain this dribbling of info. I mean, I am trying to think of the various causes of death we might expect, and I can't fathom how any of them still would be undetermined. I know extensive decomp would complicate making a determination but she was - I guess - in cold water for days. That would decomp, right??

There always seems to be a lot of problem determining if someone was strangled after they have been in water for a few days. In many of these unsolved cases, the medical examiner can't say for sure if the person was strangled or not. Apparently the cold water and the decomposition work together to help hide the outward signs of it to the point that it can't be ruled definitively one way or the other.

A whole bunch of cases that end up in water are either unsolved, ruled as suicide, or claimed to be accidental. Water and forensics don't seem to make very good bedfellows, especially when it comes to soft tissue trauma.

 

[DatelineFan]

I tried to think of ways this could be accidental, but I've got nothing that isn't completely ridiculous.

 

[Elainera]

This is the latest of baffling steps LE has taken in this case. First I wondered why the area her car was found in wasn't immediately secured and treated as a crime scene.

Then the missing personal belongings. They should put a description and photos out of the items so people can be on the look out for them. In Whitney Heichel's murder the perp scattered her belongings all around the area. Iirc a kid found her phone a few days later in a bush, other items were found in trash cans.

Now these perplexing reports by the ME ...

I hope there is a plan behind all this.

 

[Plumeria5]

Wasn't she somewhat in the medical field? Cuts or pricks on your fingers are very painful. I have never heard of this as a suicide scenario.

 

[DatelineFan]

Actually, water is said to speed up decomposition.

"Therefore, if a dead body is exposed to water or air, then it will dramatically decompose."
http://www.enkivillage.com/how-long-does-it-take-for-a-body-to-decompose.html

I'm not sure what I think happened. I do know that it isn't terribly uncommon for someone committing suicide to go somewhere where they are sure their family will not find them. I'm not saying this happened, I'm just throwing this out there. If she did it in her car or her house, her family would have most likely found her. She might have tried to spare them that.

As an aside, if anything happens to a loved one of mine, LE is going to have a field day with the types of google searches I've been conducting

The thing is, if she wanted not to be found, surely she would have done this elsewhere. In the Seattle area, there are numerous heavily wooded areas as well as large bodies of water.

 

[steelman]

This is the latest of baffling steps LE has taken in this case. First I wondered why the area her car was found in wasn't immediately secured and treated as a crime scene.

Then the missing personal belongings. They should put a description and photos out of the items so people can be on the look out for them. In Whitney Heichel's murder the perp scattered her belongings all around the area. Iirc a kid found her phone a few days later in a bush, other items were found in trash cans.

Now these perplexing reports by the ME ...

I hope there is a plan behind all this.

Trust me.......no plan.

 

[Elainera]

Actually, water is said to speed up decomposition.

"Therefore, if a dead body is exposed to water or air, then it will dramatically decompose."
http://www.enkivillage.com/how-long-does-it-take-for-a-body-to-decompose.html

I'm not sure what I think happened. I do know that it isn't terribly uncommon for someone committing suicide to go somewhere where they are sure their family will not find them. I'm not saying this happened, I'm just throwing this out there. If she did it in her car or her house, her family would have most likely found her. She might have tried to spare them that.

As an aside, if anything happens to a loved one of mine, LE is going to have a field day with the types of google searches I've been conducting

I think the quote is meant in comparison to a body that is buried. What I remember, and what I wanted to say, is that a body in water decomposes slower than a body in air. I might be wrong, am not an expert.

 

[steelman]

The thing is, if she wanted not to be found, surely she would have done this elsewhere. In the Seattle area, there are numerous heavily wooded areas as well as large bodies of water.

She had a big wooded park right next to her car, heavily overgrown in spots. Why not just walk a 100 feet instead of 1.2 miles in the rain ?

 

[marcyjoy]

The thing is, if she wanted not to be found, surely she would have done this elsewhere. In the Seattle area, there are numerous heavily wooded areas as well as large bodies of water.

I feel like I'm at risk of sounding like I'm defending a suicide scenario, but yes, there are many heavily wooded areas. Maybe this area had special meaning to her. Maybe she would go there to think, maybe it was far enough away that she wouldn't be found by anyone she knew, but close enough to be able to walk to?

There are things that haven't added up for me with regards to the stranger and random theory - which is why I originally (and falsely) believed MD was involved. But there were too many "wrong things" that happened. Leaving the badge, driving a different car, not meeting the carpool. Seemed like an awful lot to go "wrong" on a day that something devastating happens. I guess it wouldn't surprise me much if they could explain a plausible suicide theory.

 

[marcyjoy]

She had a big wooded park right next to her car, heavily overgrown in spots. Why not just walk a 100 feet instead of 1.2 miles in the rain ?

We had a close family friend that went to a nearby mountain and committed suicide. The place was special to him and he didn't want his family to find his body.

 

[Bravo]

We had a close family friend that went to a nearby mountain and committed suicide. The place was special to him and he didn't want his family to find his body.

So very sorry for your loss

 

[Elainera]

I feel like I'm at risk of sounding like I'm defending a suicide scenario, but yes, there are many heavily wooded areas. Maybe this area had special meaning to her. Maybe she would go there to think, maybe it was far enough away that she wouldn't be found by anyone she knew, but close enough to be able to walk to?

There are things that haven't added up for me with regards to the stranger and random theory - which is why I originally (and falsely) believed MD was involved. But there were too many "wrong things" that happened. Leaving the badge, driving a different car, not meeting the carpool. Seemed like an awful lot to go "wrong" on a day that something devastating happens. I guess it wouldn't surprise me much if they could explain a plausible suicide theory.

Sorry but I can't imagine a culvert being a special place to anyone?

 

[pinklilies]

She had a big wooded park right next to her car, heavily overgrown in spots. Why not just walk a 100 feet instead of 1.2 miles in the rain ?

I'm not stating CD did but I don't think anybody can even begin to understand the whys, where's and how of a suicidal persons actions.

 

[DatelineFan]

We had a close family friend that went to a nearby mountain and committed suicide. The place was special to him and he didn't want his family to find his body.

I'm so sorry. My uncle took his own life, too. In his home. Awful and so devastating.

 

[steelman]

I'm still not going to buy into the suicide theory until I'm forced to, possibly while being held at gunpoint on a busy street while nobody notices. Of course after they find what's left of me 3 counties over, it can be ruled that I committed suicide by "stubbornness."
I hope I get the same M.E.


I think the main stream media in Seattle needs to get Pickards skinny little butt behind the podium to answer some questions about all of this.

 

[m_brown]

The texts and powering down of the phone soon after she texted she would take the bus would, IMO, fall in line with suicide.

But why park your car at (or near) your usual carpool meet up spot?


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[marcyjoy]

I'm so sorry. My uncle took his own life, too. In his home. Awful and so devastating.

Terrible to hear Dateline....I guess anyone who is touched by suicide knows that irrationality of it all.