Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[Miziree]

How horrific the cases you referred are!

They are all monsters who took these women. The Bonnie Craig case is a very close to my heart case. I was the same age, got on the same bus further down that road at the time only a hour later. Posters were up all over the town for years. Very scary living that close to what happened. Cheryl disappeared only 4 miles from where I live now. I'm being way more cautious and told my daughter to be also. Moo

 

[Elainera]

This is still most likely a suicide, especially now that the husband has been eliminated. The change in routine, and the text pretext was probably designed to cover up and buy her time to complete her plan. A serial killer or other predator would most likely not have done that.

I found a body with 10+ knife wounds to the torso. Anyone's first thought would have been that it was a homicide; but it turned out to be a suicide.

Are you a police officer if you don't mind me asking?

 

[windrower]

I thought we knew that she usually parked AT the transit center lot, not on nearby streets. Or maybe that was my assumption. I figured she met her friends at the lot to carpool. If she met them on that side street, there would be no need to text them to say she had to go home, 'cause they'd be right there.

Maybe she took the bus some days and did park on that street... but seems like you'd have to 'watch' someone for a long time to figure out that kind of pattern well enough to know where to park her car.

I think the car was there, and probably stayed there. Could be the perp drove it elsewhere with Cheryl, got rid of her body and then returned the car. But in that case there would be some fingerprints (or evidence of someone trying to erase fingerprints) in and on the car. We don't know if that's the case b/c LE is not saying anything, and probably won't until they have arrested someone.

Has the coworker Cheryl was carpooling with that day been cleared? Could that person have driven over and picked up Cheryl where she parked? Perhaps offered to drive her home to get her badge?

And one thing to mention about the text: With some phones, you can send a text verbally, you don't have to necessarily type out a text. So you can send a text while driving, by speaking it into the phone.

 

[Yvettea]

If Cheryl was driven (or drove) somewhere in her car wouldn't there be some surveillance somewhere showing the car leaving the area?

 

[Dushi]

If Cheryl was driven (or drove) somewhere in her car wouldn't there be some surveillance somewhere showing the car leaving the area?

And DNA possibly?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Any updates at all from LE on this bizarre case since yesterday? I'm fresh out of theories since nothing so far makes much sense.

 

[DatelineFan]

Any updates at all from LE on this bizarre case since yesterday? I'm fresh out of theories since nothing so far makes much sense.

I just checked but I couldn't find anything new.

 

[rotary_dial]

For the locals, are you familiar with the library there? Does it attract homeless, destitute, down on their luck individuals? In my city, some of these people spend almost the whole day in the library to stay out of the elements.

I'm not trying to cast a bad light on the homeless, but someone could be loitering in the area waiting on the library to open.

I'm just trying to get a better idea of the area and those who may frequent it.

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[steelman]

In regards to this possible suicide angle that reared it's ugly head yesterday after information about the self-inflicted cuts on the finger tips, I did some thinking about that after I logged off for a little while.

I want everyone who may read this to understand that what I'm about to type is theoretical , not factual, and it should be taken that way. I have no insider knowledge of any kind, and I don't know either Cheryl or her husband Mike.

I began by wondering about what kind of situation might arise that would actually propel Cheryl to take the drastic action of committing suicide. The Sunday before she vanished was Superbowl Sunday, which has nothing to do with anything except to refresh peoples memory about when she disappeared. Neither myself, nor anyone in this forum has any idea what that Sunday, or that entire weekend, was like inside her home. Cheryl and her husband apparently lived there as a couple, with their son living elsewhere on a fulltime basis. So what could have transpired that weekend that might have sent Cheryl into a forgetful, despondent, depressed and zombie like state by Monday morning ?

A) A huge, vicious argument
B) Proof of infidelity
C) A request for a divorce
D) A threat of divorce
F) knowledge of an incurable illness
G) Betrayal
H) Add your own idea here

Anyone who has ever had a gut splitting fight with a partner knows how quickly it can drain your entire being and send you into an almost catatonic state afterwards. Even though there may not be a conversation ongoing, your head still has all kinds of thoughts and ideas swirling around inside of it long after the arguing is over. Some people respond to these kinds of altercations by lashing out further, while some people respond by becoming withdrawn and internalizing things.

I can't sit here and say with any certainty that any of this happened. I also can't say with certainty that it didn't. Nobody in this forum was in their house during that weekend, so nobody can honestly say what may have happened. I guess the same would apply to the vast majority of their friends and family. Whether this information was shared with the authorities or not is unknown, but judging by some of their odd statements and revelations, it does sort of set the tone that they may know some things that happened here that none of the rest of us do.

With that being said, it is actually conceivable that if Cheryl was distraught about something that Monday morning, something big, then maybe the idea that she wanted to end it all is also conceivable. All you need is a bottle of pills, a bottle of booze, and an isolated place to lean back and give it time to kick in. Her state of mind that morning is really unknown for the most part, but numerous observers in here have commented about how unorganized and scattered she appeared to be, and how her daily routine appeared to be everything but routine that morning.

Unfortunately, if something like I described up there did happen, chance are good we will never know the details of what or when. The tidbit of information from the medical examiner yesterday in regards to the self inflicted cuts on her fingertips seems to indicate a precursor of things to come. I was one of the people that scoffed loudest at the very idea that this may have been a suicide when that report first surfaced. But after I've actually put some thought into it, and after observing the actions of her husband and what's been reported, I'm not so sure something didn't happen between them last weekend.

Something that may have been devastating to Cheryl.

 

[Yvettea]

Can you elaborate on observing the actions of her spouse?

 

[Seatowner]

I would not say Mountlake a terrace has a huge homeless population. There are "encampments" on the inter urban trail but usually that is one or two people. Beggars mostly.

That "town" is so small if you blink on the freeway you've missed it. Plus with the police station next door they would pain people closer to the trail. This area is a suburb of Seattle. Almost where people move once they get married and have kids so they have a yard. Most residents are older long term with some young families moving in. It has stayed relatively unchanged over the years. Not far from the water [Puget Sound] (15 minutes).

Things like his don't happen here. They aren't supposed to.

A car accident is breaking news. A murder of this caliber is unheard of.

I checked the statistics on neighborhoodscout.com (not sure how reliable) but it says they have 1 murder a year.

Barely anything. That could be vehicular manslaughter for all we know. 18 reported assaults. 3 rapes. 18 robbery.

It's a small place. Population 20817.






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[katydid23]

In regards to this possible suicide angle that reared it's ugly head yesterday after information about the self-inflicted cuts on the finger tips, I did some thinking about that after I logged off for a little while.

I want everyone who may read this to understand that what I'm about to type is theoretical , not factual, and it should be taken that way. I have no insider knowledge of any kind, and I don't know either Cheryl or her husband Mike.

I began by wondering about what kind of situation might arise that would actually propel Cheryl to take the drastic action of committing suicide. The Sunday before she vanished was Superbowl Sunday, which has nothing to do with anything except to refresh peoples memory about when she disappeared. Neither myself, nor anyone in this forum has any idea what that Sunday, or that entire weekend, was like inside her home. Cheryl and her husband apparently lived there as a couple, with their son living elsewhere on a fulltime basis. So what could have transpired that weekend that might have sent Cheryl into a forgetful, despondent, depressed and zombie like state by Monday morning ?

A) A huge, vicious argument
B) Proof of infidelity
C) A request for a divorce
D) A threat of divorce
F) knowledge of an incurable illness
G) Betrayal
H) Add your own idea here

Anyone who has ever had a gut splitting fight with a partner knows how quickly it can drain your entire being and send you into an almost catatonic state afterwards. Even though there may not be a conversation ongoing, your head still has all kinds of thoughts and ideas swirling around inside of it long after the arguing is over. Some people respond to these kinds of altercations by lashing out further, while some people respond by becoming withdrawn and internalizing things.

I can't sit here and say with any certainty that any of this happened. I also can't say with certainty that it didn't. Nobody in this forum was in their house during that weekend, so nobody can honestly say what may have happened. I guess the same would apply to the vast majority of their friends and family. Whether this information was shared with the authorities or not is unknown, but judging by some of their odd statements and revelations, it does sort of set the tone that they may know some things that happened here that none of the rest of us do.

With that being said, it is actually conceivable that if Cheryl was distraught about something that Monday morning, something big, then maybe the idea that she wanted to end it all is also conceivable. All you need is a bottle of pills, a bottle of booze, and an isolated place to lean back and give it time to kick in. Her state of mind that morning is really unknown for the most part, but numerous observers in here have commented about how unorganized and scattered she appeared to be, and how her daily routine appeared to be everything but routine that morning.

Unfortunately, if something like I described up there did happen, chance are good we will never know the details of what or when. The tidbit of information from the medical examiner yesterday in regards to the self inflicted cuts on her fingertips seems to indicate a precursor of things to come. I was one of the people that scoffed loudest at the very idea that this may have been a suicide when that report first surfaced. But after I've actually put some thought into it, and after observing the actions of her husband and what's been reported, I'm not so sure something didn't happen between them last weekend.

Something that may have been devastating to Cheryl.

I totally agree with all of the above. I know it is feasible that she felt hopeless and suicidal. My disbelief comes in thinking she would then go and end her life in a concrete ditch by the transit center. Her husband left before she did that morning. Why not take some pills and crawl under the covers? Or drive to the mountains and die among the birds and trees? I don't get the mechanics of that suicide at all, if that is what it was.

 

[Miziree]

For the locals, are you familiar with the library there? Does it attract homeless, destitute, down on their luck individuals? In my city, some of these people spend almost the whole day in the library to stay out of the elements.

I'm not trying to cast a bad light on the homeless, but someone could be loitering in the area waiting on the library to open.

I'm just trying to get a better idea of the area and those who may frequent it.

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I'm not familiar with that library but the one just north in lynnwood does have homeless people in it off and on. It is also across the street from a police station.
Off 196th st sw (on the other side off 1-5) they gather once it gets dark and wait at the bus stop. Not sure where they ride it too but I do see them them very frequently there. Headed east.

 

[steelman]

Can you elaborate on observing the actions of her spouse?

During one of the press conferences given by Cheryl's mother, sister, and niece, it was stated that her husband was too grief stricken to speak to the media. This was before she had been found.

Her husband didn't make any media appearances at all that I am aware of.

Her husband didn't help search for her.

Her husband located her car that day, and has been out of sight ever since.

If you take that information coupled with my comment up there, it appears to me that maybe he knew very early on that Cheryl had done something drastic. Only he would know what had gone on between them and what was said between them.

 

[Beesknees]

In regards to this possible suicide angle that reared it's ugly head yesterday after information about the self-inflicted cuts on the finger tips, I did some thinking about that after I logged off for a little while.

(Cut short for brevity)

No doubt anything cold happen, you are right.

I for me am not inclined at all to the suicide idea. With fingers slightly cut or not. That says nothing to me more than she could be in the kitchen and have an accident as we all have had when dealing with knives, vegetables, meat, etc.

I don't see Cheryl as a person who would set an act before suicide. I see her as a soft and mild person, not someone who likes to be in the spotlight during her life so, I suppose she too wouldn´t be so if she planned her death.

All I am saying is from observing her pictures, not that I have any other idea of her way of being. But we always have a gist from observing the persons' face and hearing what others say about them.

She too doesn´t fit as someone who would attract attentions, neither from exterior signs of wealth or beauty. So, for me Cheryl would never be a target of anyone random. This, plus all the unusual things that happened the day she vanished leads me to think that she was killed but not randomly by a stranger. And also, of course, the strange and confusing way that LE has been wording to the public.

 

[Eileen730]

Has the coworker Cheryl was carpooling with that day been cleared? Could that person have driven over and picked up Cheryl where she parked? Perhaps offered to drive her home to get her badge?

And one thing to mention about the text: With some phones, you can send a text verbally, you don't have to necessarily type out a text. So you can send a text while driving, by speaking it into the phone.

The badge bothers me!
For some reason!

 

[Yvettea]

I totally agree with all of the above. I know it is feasible that she felt hopeless and suicidal. My disbelief comes in thinking she would then go and end her life in a concrete ditch by the transit center. Her husband left before she did that morning. Why not take some pills and crawl under the covers? Or drive to the mountains and die among the birds and trees? I don't get the mechanics of that suicide at all, if that is what it was.

Certainly if there was water in the culvert it's hard to imagine making that choice.

 

[Stripehaven]

I just had one other thought regarding the likelihood of a random attacker snatching her by her car, in front of potential witnesses. Yes, it happens. But in this case, she was parked in the same block as Veteran's Park - she would have been on the other side of the street but same block. I would think a potential attacker would realize she was probalby about to head into the woods and wait to stalk her there, with more privacy.

We don't know if Cheryl got out of the car, then realized her badge was missing, then texted her friend while standing outside the car. If she did, I'd think the attacker would still wait. MAYBE if she then got back into the car, he made his move. But honestly, unless she was specifically his target, why not wait for another vulnerable victim on the trail?

Not being a killer, I may have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Beesknees]

I just had one other thought regarding the likelihood of a random attacker snatching her by her car, in front of potential witnesses. Yes, it happens. But in this case, she was parked in the same block as Veteran's Park - she would have been on the other side of the street but same block. I would think a potential attacker would realize she was probalby about to head into the woods and wait to stalk her there, with more privacy.

We don't know if Cheryl got out of the car, then realized her badge was missing, then texted her friend while standing outside the car. If she did, I'd think the attacker would still wait. MAYBE if she then got back into the car, he made his move. But honestly, unless she was specifically his target, why not wait for another vulnerable victim on the trail?

Not being a killer, I may have no idea what I'm talking about.

I think the same way. As I stated before she wasn't a person to attract atention from predators and where the car was left was an open space. Does anyone know if she never used to park there? I assume the car was found where it wasn't supposed to be, right?

 

[haruspex]

If she is a people pleaser type, she may have texted that to smooth the waters. Kind of a "sorry I'm holding you up; I will make it up to you by riding with you later." And maybe offering gas money or an apology on the ride home.

When you're in a carpool/vanpool situation, it's common courtesy to be as through as possible with communicating your commute needs to the driver. This way the driver can always plan ahead for when they can leave, who they need to pick up, etc.

For CdB to mention that there was a change in her morning commute plans, but likely not a change in her evening commute plans, would be completely expected.