Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

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Robbery gone bad.
Why hide the body then?whatbdid a random robber have to gain by the added risk of moving her body?

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  • #143
Well I have now read 10 pages in this third thread and there is nothing new!

How and why has the discussion on whether Cheryl's intent on riding the bus after returning from picking her badge up at home taken so many pages? One can only dissect her text so many ways!

It must have been a very boring Sunday afternoon.

Amen. :tantrum:
 
  • #144
It probably doesn't matter at this point, but if Cheryl told her carpool friend to go on without her, the assumption could be made that she intended to then ride the bus to work. It didn't have to be spelled out. Just because the friend asked how long and did actually wait, doesn't mean that Cheryl assumed she would do so. If she thought her friend would indeed go on without her, how did she intend to get to work if not by bus?

She could go by car.
 
  • #145
Why hide the body then?whatbdid a random robber have to gain by the added risk of moving her body?

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Maybe someone was pulling up and she started to scream and he killed her, he panicked and hid her. He probably has done this several times, robbing people there or at other places.
 
  • #146
First real post here and I have read all of the previous posts....sorry, this will be a little long.

I don't live in MLT but have lived around the MLT area for 30 years or so.

I seem to have just enough information to start investigating but not enough to draw any actual conclusions and as a result seem to be going around in circles.

Here are my impressions and thoughts...

The first thing I would want done would to have bloodhounds with Cheryl's scent, all over the area where she parked and the surrounding streets as well as the area where she was left in the culvert.
I would want them walking up driveways and around cars parked in driveways etc. I would want to know if her scent ever lead to the street implying an abduction by car or across or along the street to a house etc.
Driving around that neighborhood you see quite a few home with chain link fences and gates restricting access and so it might be difficult, but most do not have fences.
It was stated earlier that K9's were used, but does that mean bloodhounds?
I saw pictures of MLT police using German Shepherds in early photos, but bloodhounds are the only breed who's evidence is admissible in U.S. courts.
I would be contacting these people http://www.k9sardog.com/ if the police were unable to provide bloodhounds
"Trained man-trackers" (as reported in the Herald) are not the same as animals detecting scent.
They can't detect footprints on pavement and sidewalks and the culvert area is covered with blackberry brambles.

It seems that the circle of suspects usually begins with the family and moves outward to people who have contact and then to neighbors and then people in the neighborhood. That is why I think it is probably someone from that area who had observed her.
The area near her house, the park n ride and the culvert (where she was found) has many steep embankments off the shoulder of the road where two people could have easily thrown someone hiding them from site, but the culvert is one of the few that has very few houses and a single person could have hidden her.

My impressions about the street where her car was found and the trail etc. reflect my own experiences hitchhiking all over the u.s. as a teen.
I'v been in precarious situations but I also have a bit of denial about anything bad happening to me, so I am not overly cautious, but I am always aware of my surroundings.
The trail is "creepy" to me due to all of the other side trails I found along the trail.
These are well worn trails that lead down to, and away from, the main trail. Some lead to houses and others I did not follow far enough to find out where they went.
The street her car was found is not that close to the park and ride.
I would say a 5 minute walk at a good clip. to the main park n ride area.
If I used that park n ride, that street would be a place of last resort to park. If the Park n ride was full, it would be the closest place to park though.
I would take the sidewalk any day over the trail because the trail is muddy, dark and made me feel apprehension. It does not feel safe in the light, let alone dawn or dusk.
There is a video camera at the end of that trail on the park n ride side so it could be determined how often she actually took the trail.

I find it odd and curious that the one day she forgets her badge this happens.
I say "the one day" because being a system's analyst, I am sure she was a linear thinker and doubt she forgot her badge often.

My crime investigation experience is extremely limited and is only a reflection of what my wife has recorded on tv (due to my lack of interest in learning how to operate our tv), as a result, I have watched endless episodes of every true crime show out there.

So, keeping it simple, This is where I am at with the limited knowledge I have.
I think she left her house and parked on the street.
Because it has been reported that they found items of hers outside the car ( I tried to find the link but can't at the moment), I think she got out of her vehicle and shortly thereafter, realized she didn't have her badge.
At that point, I think she was either literally picked up and taken to a vehicle or enticed to a house or vehicle.
She was kept somewhere for hours or days and left in the culvert sometime that week.
I think the person is from MLT or nearby. It would be very easily to get on the freeway at that point and drive away, hiding her somewhere where else, but they didn't.

I do not post much of anything online, but from the pictures I have seen, Cheryl seemed like a really sweet person who contributed a lot of good to the people around her.

We need to keep the pressure on and keep this story alive to get it solved.

Here are more pictures of the park area and the park n ride.

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Four levels of parking and a huge parking lot.
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  • #147
It probably doesn't matter at this point, but if Cheryl told her carpool friend to go on without her, the assumption could be made that she intended to then ride the bus to work. It didn't have to be spelled out. Just because the friend asked how long and did actually wait, doesn't mean that Cheryl assumed she would do so. If she thought her friend would indeed go on without her, how did she intend to get to work if not by bus?

driving herself or...someone else? or the family doesnt believe she texted it? although i would think in the presser they wouldnt say "she texted" and would instead say someone texted from her phone or texts from her phone state.
 
  • #148
Amen. :tantrum:

I didn't understand the significance either, but at least it seems laid to rest!


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  • #149
She could go by car.

Very true, but if she was planning on driving herself, would she estimate the ten minute time it was going to take to get back to the transit center?
 
  • #150
Well, actually we don't know if the blood was fresh, do we?

ETA-nevermind ! I just remembered, we don't know how MUCH. :)

when did we determine it was fresh
 
  • #151
Trw, thank you for posting your thoughts and the photos. Please be sure to post again soon.
 
  • #152
First real post here and I have read all of the previous posts....sorry, this will be a little long.

I don't live in MLT but have lived around the MLT area for 30 years or so.

I seem to have just enough information to start investigating but not enough to draw any actual conclusions and as a result seem to be going around in circles.

Here are my impressions and thoughts...

The first thing I would want done would to have bloodhounds with Cheryl's scent, all over the area where she parked and the surrounding streets as well as the area where she was left in the culvert.
I would want them walking up driveways and around cars parked in driveways etc. I would want to know if her scent ever lead to the street implying an abduction by car or across or along the street to a house etc.
Driving around that neighborhood you see quite a few home with chain link fences and gates restricting access and so it might be difficult, but most do not have fences.
It was stated earlier that K9's were used, but does that mean bloodhounds?
I saw pictures of MLT police using German Shepherds in early photos, but bloodhounds are the only breed who's evidence is admissible in U.S. courts.
I would be contacting these people http://www.k9sardog.com/ if the police were unable to provide bloodhounds
"Trained man-trackers" (as reported in the Herald) are not the same as animals detecting scent.
They can't detect footprints on pavement and sidewalks and the culvert area is covered with blackberry brambles.

It seems that the circle of suspects usually begins with the family and moves outward to people who have contact and then to neighbors and then people in the neighborhood. That is why I think it is probably someone from that area who had observed her.
The area near her house, the park n ride and the culvert (where she was found) has many steep embankments off the shoulder of the road where two people could have easily thrown someone hiding them from site, but the culvert is one of the few that has very few houses and a single person could have hidden her.

My impressions about the street where her car was found and the trail etc. reflect my own experiences hitchhiking all over the u.s. as a teen.
I'v been in precarious situations but I also have a bit of denial about anything bad happening to me, so I am not overly cautious, but I am always aware of my surroundings.
The trail is "creepy" to me due to all of the other side trails I found along the trail.
These are well worn trails that lead down to, and away from, the main trail. Some lead to houses and others I did not follow far enough to find out where they went.
The street her car was found is not that close to the park and ride.
I would say a 5 minute walk at a good clip. to the main park n ride area.
If I used that park n ride, that street would be a place of last resort to park. If the Park n ride was full, it would be the closest place to park though.
I would take the sidewalk any day over the trail because the trail is muddy, dark and made me feel apprehension. It does not feel safe in the light, let alone dawn or dusk.
There is a video camera at the end of that trail on the park n ride side so it could be determined how often she actually took the trail.

I find it odd and curious that the one day she forgets her badge this happens.
I say "the one day" because being a system's analyst, I am sure she was a linear thinker and doubt she forgot her badge often.

My crime investigation experience is extremely limited and is only a reflection of what my wife has recorded on tv (due to my lack of interest in learning how to operate our tv), as a result, I have watched endless episodes of every true crime show out there.

So, keeping it simple, This is where I am at with the limited knowledge I have.
I think she left her house and parked on the street.
Because it has been reported that they found items of hers outside the car ( I tried to find the link but can't at the moment), I think she got out of her vehicle and shortly thereafter, realized she didn't have her badge.
At that point, I think she was either literally picked up and taken to a vehicle or enticed to a house or vehicle.
She was kept somewhere for hours or days and left in the culvert sometime that week.
I think the person is from MLT or nearby. It would be very easily to get on the freeway at that point and drive away, hiding her somewhere where else, but they didn't.

I do not post much of anything online, but from the pictures I have seen, Cheryl seemed like a really sweet person who contributed a lot of good to the people around her.

We need to keep the pressure on and keep this story alive to get it solved.

Here are more pictures of the park area and the park n ride.

Four levels of parking and a huge parking lot.
in response to you: thank you very much for this post. i hope a friend of the family/etc. see this post. what law states only bloodhounds are admissible? as for the side trails, thank you for that, too. in the family presser, the police officer said they knew people lived in the woods, i believe...maybe that is where those side trails lead sometimes? that blurred person creeps me out for some reason, lol. anddd....i still cant fathom why she would typically take that trail, yes i know her family says she does and yes i believe them, and i believe the police when they said she went down that trail. but...that trail looks creepy, especially at near dark or very early morning by yourself and all the side paths.

in response to others: its been very boring for me, ive been sick for days, actually. so here i am. maybe random robber didnt want his dna found, so he put her in the water in effort to get rid of it.
 
  • #153
First real post here and I have read all of the previous posts....sorry, this will be a little long.

I don't live in MLT but have lived around the MLT area for 30 years or so.

I seem to have just enough information to start investigating but not enough to draw any actual conclusions and as a result seem to be going around in circles.

Here are my impressions and thoughts...

The first thing I would want done would to have bloodhounds with Cheryl's scent, all over the area where she parked and the surrounding streets as well as the area where she was left in the culvert.
I would want them walking up driveways and around cars parked in driveways etc. I would want to know if her scent ever lead to the street implying an abduction by car or across or along the street to a house etc.
Driving around that neighborhood you see quite a few home with chain link fences and gates restricting access and so it might be difficult, but most do not have fences.
It was stated earlier that K9's were used, but does that mean bloodhounds?
I saw pictures of MLT police using German Shepherds in early photos, but bloodhounds are the only breed who's evidence is admissible in U.S. courts.
I would be contacting these people http://www.k9sardog.com/ if the police were unable to provide bloodhounds
"Trained man-trackers" (as reported in the Herald) are not the same as animals detecting scent.
They can't detect footprints on pavement and sidewalks and the culvert area is covered with blackberry brambles.

It seems that the circle of suspects usually begins with the family and moves outward to people who have contact and then to neighbors and then people in the neighborhood. That is why I think it is probably someone from that area who had observed her.
The area near her house, the park n ride and the culvert (where she was found) has many steep embankments off the shoulder of the road where two people could have easily thrown someone hiding them from site, but the culvert is one of the few that has very few houses and a single person could have hidden her.

My impressions about the street where her car was found and the trail etc. reflect my own experiences hitchhiking all over the u.s. as a teen.
I'v been in precarious situations but I also have a bit of denial about anything bad happening to me, so I am not overly cautious, but I am always aware of my surroundings.
The trail is "creepy" to me due to all of the other side trails I found along the trail.
These are well worn trails that lead down to, and away from, the main trail. Some lead to houses and others I did not follow far enough to find out where they went.
The street her car was found is not that close to the park and ride.
I would say a 5 minute walk at a good clip. to the main park n ride area.
If I used that park n ride, that street would be a place of last resort to park. If the Park n ride was full, it would be the closest place to park though.
I would take the sidewalk any day over the trail because the trail is muddy, dark and made me feel apprehension. It does not feel safe in the light, let alone dawn or dusk.
There is a video camera at the end of that trail on the park n ride side so it could be determined how often she actually took the trail.

I find it odd and curious that the one day she forgets her badge this happens.
I say "the one day" because being a system's analyst, I am sure she was a linear thinker and doubt she forgot her badge often.

My crime investigation experience is extremely limited and is only a reflection of what my wife has recorded on tv (due to my lack of interest in learning how to operate our tv), as a result, I have watched endless episodes of every true crime show out there.

So, keeping it simple, This is where I am at with the limited knowledge I have.
I think she left her house and parked on the street.
Because it has been reported that they found items of hers outside the car ( I tried to find the link but can't at the moment), I think she got out of her vehicle and shortly thereafter, realized she didn't have her badge.
At that point, I think she was either literally picked up and taken to a vehicle or enticed to a house or vehicle.
She was kept somewhere for hours or days and left in the culvert sometime that week.
I think the person is from MLT or nearby. It would be very easily to get on the freeway at that point and drive away, hiding her somewhere where else, but they didn't.

I do not post much of anything online, but from the pictures I have seen, Cheryl seemed like a really sweet person who contributed a lot of good to the people around her.

We need to keep the pressure on and keep this story alive to get it solved.

Here are more pictures of the park area and the park n ride.

Four levels of parking and a huge parking lot.

also, i assume the photos were taken today? those areas didnt seem muddy. what about the rest of the trail?
 
  • #154
Welcome trw


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  • #155
I said it somewhere else, but this whole scenario reminds me of Israel Keyes. He was just a weird psycho, didn't care, just snatched people off trails and totally premeditated killing by burying "murder kits"--so many psychos out there. R I P Cheryl :(
 
  • #156
She initially told the carpool to go without her, that she would probably ride home with the carpool

"At 7:02 a.m. a text was sent from Cheryl DeBoer’s phone to a carpool friend saying she forgot her identification badge needed for her job at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.

“Just go without me,” the text said. “I’ll probably ride home with you

Her friend wrote back asking how long it would take and saying that she would wait.

The text back to the friend estimated that DeBoer’s trip back home would take 10 minutes.

Her friend waited until nearly 7:30 a.m. and tried sending her a message and calling her at that time. It appeared to her that DeBoer’s phone had been turned off.

Detectives learned that the phone was “powered down” shortly after DeBoer’s last text."

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160216/NEWS01/160219330
It either really was CD who sent the text saying that her trip home and back would take 10 minutes or it was someone who knew where she lived. People commute to that park and ride from all over the place and many of those places take a lot longer than 10 minutes round trip.
 
  • #157
I think Cheryl was under threat to send the text(s), and I also believe that the finger injuries were self-inflicted.

JMO
 
  • #158
It either really was CD who sent the text saying that her trip home and back would take 10 minutes or it was someone who knew where she lived. People commute to that park and ride from all over the place and many of those places take a lot longer than 10 minutes round trip.


I don't quite understand your post. The bolded above is precisely what I do not see.
 
  • #159
Cheryl was a smart woman, maybe the self inflicted cuts were her way of leaving DNA behind.

Do we have any verification that the DeBoer home surveillance captured Cheryl leaving home?

Thank you for the photos of the trail. I wouldn't walk it under any circumstance. How does a community support and encourage a pedestrian trail from a transit area that has people living in it's woods? Am I crazy?
 
  • #160
Here is a link to the Family presser: http://www.kiro7.com/.../video-family-of-missing.../72160976

Her niece very clearly states during this presser there was no reference to take the bus. I suspect that either LE or the media just made an assumption that she planned to take the bus when she told her carpool friend to go without her. This presser clarified that she never stated she would take the bus.

Edit: Original message with a link to the family presser can be found in the first thread at message #74.

Sorry to be just replying to a post from 7 hours ago but just catching up.

I wholeheartedly believe this family and what they said at the presser on the 10th Feb.

But I don't think we can assume that the commander Pickard made an assumption when he said she would take the bus at the presser on Feb 14/15th.

https://www.facebook.com/TedLandJournalist/videos/1570819333210139/?hc_location=ufi

I think it's just going to be one of those points we never get clarity on.
 
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