Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[cs2012]

Ok, well no one would carry her that far...
I may be mistaken but I thought I read thatshe could use the path as a short cut to her house which was very close by

sorry i may have not completely explained things. i guess the words are part of the park? the "park" i was referring to is the playground. i dont really consider woods part of a park...i consider them separate, even though theyre labeled part of a park. if someone could add a diagram of the park or pictures again, thatd be great. i think better than me explaining.

 

[Treelights]

http://www.kiro7.com/video/raw-vide...holds-news-conference_20160211035942/72160976

please see video. in the video at 12:40 the police officer said she walked down that path. not sure why he said it was gravel, though, when it is dirt? he also said usually around 7 is when the park and ride parking lot fills up. the family also mentions when the park and ride is full, she is known to park there and walk down that path.

I understand that. The link I provided in my post clearly talks about BOTH what Pickard said and what was in PRINT after what Pickard said. (THREAD #1)

"Post 342 Feb 13th MY POST:

In one of the pressers Pickard talked about the gravel path and used the words "She walked". At that point, with his language, I thought he literally meant she did walk through that path.
I will go back to link what post this was.

ETA:
Page 9 of this thread, My Post: post number 124"

So Here is page 9 post 124 MY POST:

"Thanks!

I just viewed a portion of the video and Pickard mentions around the 12 minutes 39 seconds portion of the video:
Pickard states:

"This area that she walked down..."

(He was talking about a gravel pathway.)

So perhaps he talked to people who saw her, or she is on video...

He did say "She Walked Down", like perhaps she was there...IMOO.


http://www.kiro7.com/.../video-famil...ng.../72160976

Thanks for bringing the video to my attention again. "

THEN:
I referenced also my post from Feb. 11th post #172 MY POST:
"UPDATED AT 05:06PM, FEBRUARY 11, 2016"

" "Police believe Cheryl may have walked through a wooded pathway, which leads to the transit center."

The word MAY tells me that they don't know that Cheryl walked through that pathway…

IMOO."

 

[Treelights]

There are clearly issues in what was said and what is interpretation.
Pickard also said she was found at the SW corner but others dispute that isn't the location where the body was.
Pickard said she walked through the path. A MSM article says that police think she MAY have walked through the path.
Police said the text said she was going to take the bus.
Family said she wasn't going to take the bus.
Nothing was found in the car but a book. Then later oh blood was found...
Very confusing!!
IMOO.

 

[eucalyptuz]

I have been playing around with Steelman's map and popping in a few routes that would jibe with the facts as we know them. To me this case could possibly hinge on the direction Cheryl's car was facing when it was captured by traffic cams at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W.

The police have said (and without reinterpreting their evasive use of English ), that Cheryl left home a few minutes after her husband who left at 6:50. They then said that Cheryl's car was seen at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W at 7:00am. It is possible that Cheryl left fairly quickly after her husband and pulled over to park on the street side on 58th Ave W. Upon preparing to leave (or straight after exiting) the car she realizes her missing work badge, texts the carpool buddy and takes off again and is captured by the traffic cam on 236th Ave SW before 7:00. It is logical that she would travel on 236th Ave SW to get to and from her parking space. So the car could be recorded going in both directions.

If her car is only seen once on the footage, I think whatever happened, happened at the streetside parking after the exchange of texts and the incident no longer involved her vehicle. Because it is also logical that the quickest route for a perp between where Cheryl's car was found and the culvert is 236th Ave SW. If her vehicle is used in the crime and transported back, to me that would involve another two passes of the intersection at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W.

Here is Steelman's map that I have adulterated with my own route musings...No offense to its creator I hope
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zD2inz0q5Tuk.kPG3YwIQbSU8&usp=sharing

 

[Treelights]

bbm

Nobody knows, everyone is speculating We are all confused!

Yes, affirmative, correct.

 

[cs2012]

There are clearly issues in what was said and what is interpretation.
Pickard also said she was found at the SW corner but others dispute that isn't the location where the body was.
Pickard said she walked through the path. A MSM article says that police think she MAY have walked through the path.
Police said the text said she was going to take the bus.
Family said she wasn't going to take the bus.
Nothing was found in the car but a book. Then later oh blood was found...
Very confusing!!
IMOO.

this is one reason why i often do not believe the police lol. i want to, i try to. then this type of stuff happens. i can only imagine how Cheryl's family feels. i dont recall Pickard saying she was found at the SW corner, but do remember seeing that in a MLT news i believe posting? i dont doubt he said that, however. oh yeah and you cant forget saying the community isnt in danger then telling the community to beware, basically. i really hope the police come forward with a suspect or more concrete info soon.

 

[Treelights]

I have been playing around with Steelman's map and popping in a few routes that would jibe with the facts as we know them. To me this case could possibly hinge on the direction Cheryl's car was facing when it was captured by traffic cams at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W.

The police have said (and without reinterpreting their evasive use of English ), that Cheryl left home a few minutes after her husband who left at 6:50. They then said that Cheryl's car was seen at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W at 7:00am. It is possible that Cheryl left fairly quickly after her husband and pulled over to park on the street side on 58th Ave W. Upon preparing to leave (or straight after exiting) the car she realizes her missing work badge, texts the carpool buddy and takes off again and is captured by the traffic cam on 236th Ave SW before 7:00. It is logical that she would travel on 236th Ave SW to get to and from her parking space. So the car could be recorded going in both directions.

If her car is only seen once on the footage, I think whatever happened, happened at the streetside parking after the exchange of texts and the incident no longer involved her vehicle. Because it is also logical that the quickest route for a perp between where Cheryl's car was found and the culvert is 236th Ave SW. If her vehicle is used in the crime and transported back, to me that would involve another two passes of the intersection at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W.

Here is Steelman's map that I have adulterated with my own route musings...No offense to its creator I hope
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zD2inz0q5Tuk.kPG3YwIQbSU8&usp=sharing

"Another surveillance video at the intersection of 236th Street SW and 56th Avenue W showed what appeared to be Cheryl DeBoer’s vehicle passing at around 7 a.m. headed westbound."

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160216/NEWS01/160219330

This link said what appears to be her vehicle was headed westbound.

 

[idfinch]

I don't have much of substance to add, but I do want to thank the Websleuths community for providing a place where I can easily access information, links, maps, etc regarding this case. I'm a MLT resident (I live less than two miles from "the culvert") and have found this to be the best resource for staying up-to-date on this unsettling case.

I saw someone post pages ago something along the lines of this isn't just a crime against Cheryl and her loved ones (though obviously it is by far the worst for them), it is a crime against the entire community. Even thought MLT is a part of the large Seattle Metropolitan area; it is still a quiet, small community. Yes, petty crimes occur here (and are increasing as the city continues to grow), but unfortunately, that's just to be expected when the city lies along I-5, Highway 99, etc; when there's a lot of people in the area there's going to be some bad apples. But something this extreme, it is truly out of the ordinary and extremely unsettling. I have never before felt unsafe in my neighborhood and absolutely HATE that feeling of unease. Hoping for some official answers SOON (especially with all the social media gossip going on).

Thank you MLTer for this post. As a local, this is exactly how I've been feeling word for word. I have one of those Brutus self defense bulldogs on my keyring & have my hand in it everywhere from checking the mail to walking thru the Winco lot. I don't walk anywhere alone anymore.

The community is really on edge. My biggest concern is that now that her memorial is over & the initial autopsy is complete, they'll just go silent for weeks & say nothing at all.

Cheryl has been embraced locally because she was a wonderful, accomplished and well loved lady. But also because she was all of us. She could be me, you, your wife daughter mother sister best friend. No matter how she ended up in that culvert, I just want to see the family and the community get some answers and see justice served for Cheryl to allow her to rest peacefully.

Thank you to all of you here at WS for being so welcoming & giving us a safe place to stay current on info.

 

[eucalyptuz]

This link said what appears to be her vehicle was headed westbound.

Thanks, it seems like even though we have few facts, I'm capable of losing some

I am just not sure her car was used any further in this incident. Perhaps she was attacked near/inside her car, but unless the perp is very organized and has thought through every move, then I think there should be further video evidence of Cheryl's car on the move.

 

[cs2012]

I have been playing around with Steelman's map and popping in a few routes that would jibe with the facts as we know them. To me this case could possibly hinge on the direction Cheryl's car was facing when it was captured by traffic cams at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W.

The police have said (and without reinterpreting their evasive use of English ), that Cheryl left home a few minutes after her husband who left at 6:50. They then said that Cheryl's car was seen at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W at 7:00am. It is possible that Cheryl left fairly quickly after her husband and pulled over to park on the street side on 58th Ave W. Upon preparing to leave (or straight after exiting) the car she realizes her missing work badge, texts the carpool buddy and takes off again and is captured by the traffic cam on 236th Ave SW before 7:00. It is logical that she would travel on 236th Ave SW to get to and from her parking space. So the car could be recorded going in both directions.

If her car is only seen once on the footage, I think whatever happened, happened at the streetside parking after the exchange of texts and the incident no longer involved her vehicle. Because it is also logical that the quickest route for a perp between where Cheryl's car was found and the culvert is 236th Ave SW. If her vehicle is used in the crime and transported back, to me that would involve another two passes of the intersection at 236th St SW & 56th Ave W.

Here is Steelman's map that I have adulterated with my own route musings...No offense to its creator I hope
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zD2inz0q5Tuk.kPG3YwIQbSU8&usp=sharing

so you think the police wouldve said if her car was seen on video a second time if someone else was seen in it? that makes sense. perp couldve wanted to avoid main roads, though, and with that, cameras/eye witnesses. if i committed a crime, i would want to take the least driven routes and avoid people at all costs. i would drive her car down 234th or 235th (whichever one is closer) until i couldnt go anymore, turn right, and just keep going until i found a decent place. i suppose maybe he would drive her car so he wouldnt have her dna in his car and to avoid being caught transferring her from car to car by a neighbor (thats too risky imho). or he would drive his own car so he wouldnt leave his dna in her car and if she was reported missing earlier wouldnt be caught in her car. either way i see being likely. either way has high risk...unless she was already in his car, but then how does that explain the blood in her car. what time was her car found again, noon? so do you not believe she was ever on the trail? the trail leaves good cover to commit a crime, thats why i think it was committed there, plus everything else her family and the police said.

 

[Treelights]

this is one reason why i often do not believe the police lol. i want to, i try to. then this type of stuff happens. i can only imagine how Cheryl's family feels. i dont recall Pickard saying she was found at the SW corner, but do remember seeing that in a MLT news i believe posting? i dont doubt he said that, however. oh yeah and you cant forget saying the community isnt in danger then telling the community to beware, basically. i really hope the police come forward with a suspect or more concrete info soon.

Pickard states in this press conference video that the location is a culvert, drainage culvert at the SW corner 244th and Cedar Way.

https://www.facebook.com/TedLandJournalist/videos/1570819333210139/?hc_location=ufi

 

[Treelights]

Thanks, it seems like even though we have few facts, I'm capable of losing some

I am just not sure her car was used any further in this incident. Perhaps she was attacked near/inside her car, but unless the perp is very organized and has thought through every move, then I think there should be further video evidence of Cheryl's car on the move.

I agree.

 

[Stripehaven]

Pickard states in this press conference video that the location is a culvert, drainage culvert at the SW corner 244th and Cedar Way.

https://www.facebook.com/TedLandJournalist/videos/1570819333210139/?hc_location=ufi

I am almost positive this is a mistake on his part. I wonder if he misspoke because the location was on 244th St SW. Every map and picture I've seen appear to show the culvert as being on the north side of 244th. And I am almost postive there is a house on the SW corner, but not at street level. That corner would be the least accessible, I believe.

 

[taagean]

I have a question and it may have already been answered. Did the camera that saw her saw driving towards the park and ride area also see her or her car returning, either on it's way home or to the culvert?


ETA: Oops, I see this was just mentioned, sorry, I should have read all the posts first!

 

[eucalyptuz]

so you think the police wouldve said if her car was seen on video a second time if someone else was seen in it? that makes sense. perp couldve wanted to avoid main roads, though, and with that, cameras/eye witnesses. if i committed a crime, i would want to take the least driven routes and avoid people at all costs. i would drive her car down 234th or 235th (whichever one is closer) until i couldnt go anymore, turn right, and just keep going until i found a decent place. i suppose maybe he would drive her car so he wouldnt have her dna in his car and to avoid being caught transferring her from car to car by a neighbor (thats too risky imho). or he would drive his own car so he wouldnt leave his dna in her car and if she was reported missing earlier wouldnt be caught in her car. either way i see being likely. either way has high risk...unless she was already in his car, but then how does that explain the blood in her car. what time was her car found again, noon? so do you not believe she was ever on the trail? the trail leaves good cover to commit a crime, thats why i think it was committed there, plus everything else her family and the police said.

I'm not sure what I think anymore. It's just the perp driving off in Cheryl's car and returning it to where it was found before noon? Well, it's a really gutsy move. And for what reason?
I can't explain the blood either but I know I've taken the skin off my knuckles while changing oil etc and so my car may have splatters too

 

[Stripehaven]

Thanks, it seems like even though we have few facts, I'm capable of losing some

I am just not sure her car was used any further in this incident. Perhaps she was attacked near/inside her car, but unless the perp is very organized and has thought through every move, then I think there should be further video evidence of Cheryl's car on the move.

I am having trouble imagining her car being used. WHY would a perp return it to the area where it would defiinitely be found, most likely rampant with DNA evidence? It would make a lot more sense to run it into a river or lake, of which there are zillions to choose from around here.

 

[cs2012]

I'm not sure what I think anymore. It's just the perp driving off in Cheryl's car and returning it to where it was found before noon? Well, it's a really gutsy move. And for what reason?
I can't explain the blood either but I know I've taken the skin off my knuckles while changing oil etc and so my car may have splatters too

because moving a body from one car to the other on the street is a gutsy move. leaving her dna in their car is a risky move if a warrant gets called for them. so either she was attacked in her car or on the path, imho. whether hes driving her in his car or hers, its risky either way, and yes riskier for him to drive her car over his but whats more risky than driving her car? moving a body from one car to another on a residential street. unless she was attacked on the path and not attacked in her car. or, she couldve been attacked in her car and ran down the path, or been attacked on the path and ran to her car, made it to the passenger seat. those are possibilities which would explain why blood was found in her passenger seat. where did people say she parked her car, which side of the street?

 

[cs2012]

I am having trouble imagining her car being used. WHY would a perp return it to the area where it would defiinitely be found, most likely rampant with DNA evidence? It would make a lot more sense to run it into a river or lake, of which there are zillions to choose from around here.

well, sometimes psychopaths like to tease cops and community into being scared, theyre sick like that. i said earlier or maybe they wanted it to appear she went missing on her own, so they wouldnt investigate and just assume it was another adult going missing on their own and not look into it much (which does happen). maybe they didnt know where else to put it or wanted them to waste time looking for her at the park, and not elsewhere like the culvert or someones house. maybe he thought he covered his tracks concerning dna evidence or his dna isnt in the system so he doesnt think he will get caught. i think running it into a river or lake would be too risky with his own life, and with others seeing him.

 

[aussiemom]

I am having trouble imagining her car being used. WHY would a perp return it to the area where it would defiinitely be found, most likely rampant with DNA evidence? It would make a lot more sense to run it into a river or lake, of which there are zillions to choose from around here.

I've been thinking............How lucky would the perp have to be to be able to park CD car in the exact spot she had left it? I would think that in the time it took to dispose (ugh) of CD that some other commuter would have already parked in that spot.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

Maybe Cheryl also gave someone she knew a ride. When she was parking and texting he could have walked up to her car - "Oh hi Cheryl, good parking spot you found here!" - "Yea but I gotta let it go, I forgot something at home, gotta go back." - "Oh would you mind giving me a ride, I'm a bit in a hurry this morning." - "Sure! Hop in!" Then he pulled a gun, powered the phone down, committed the crime in a remote spot, dumped her body (or moved it to his own car and dumped it at night), and drove her car back to where he found her in the morning. I think this all can be done in less than 2 hours.

Something like this has been my theory for some time now, it feels most likely to me.

If that person was "in a hurry," why would he ask to ride back to Cheryl's house with her? Or do you mean he is asking her to drive him to the transit center? That's a super-short walk on the woods path, or about 3 blocks via the sidewalk. I'm assuming her car was found on the east side of the street, pointing north, so she's not in a good position to drop someone off at the PnR.

I would find that kind of request totally hinky and say no. I'd think Cheryl would too - she seemed like an intelligent, analytical person.

Not saying it didn't happen - he could have surprised her before she had a chance to answer him, or she was too nice to say no, or any of a million other things. But I don't think it was someone she knew.