Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[FrostOwl]

I posted these thought of mine in thread #2, but haven't seen any responses, so I post these again:

* Perhaps it was just the date of Cheryl's disappearance that was random, the abduction and killing was planned beforehand and that Monday morning was the first opportunity the perpetrator had to lure her into his car?

* Cheryl was obviously the victim of this crime, but to kill her was perhaps used as a method to cause pain and suffering to her husband and/or son, and other members of her family. There was perhaps someone who held a grudge against her husband and/or her son, and they thought that to abduct and kill Cheryl was the best way to get their revenge on her loved ones?
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All MOO

 

[Treelights]

If that person was "in a hurry," why would he ask to ride back to Cheryl's house with her? Or do you mean he is asking her to drive him to the transit center? That's a super-short walk on the woods path, or about 3 blocks via the sidewalk. I'm assuming her car was found on the east side of the street, pointing north, so she's not in a good position to drop someone off at the PnR.

I would find that kind of request totally hinky and say no. I'd think Cheryl would too - she seemed like an intelligent, analytical person.

Not saying it didn't happen - he could have surprised her before she had a chance to answer him, or she was too nice to say no, or any of a million other things. But I don't think it was someone she knew.

I thought perhaps she made a U-turn.
In my mind, I thought her car would be facing south on the west side (if you are looking north it would be west side), so she wouldn't have to cross the street after getting out of her vehicle
That's just my thought process.
IMOO.

 

[Master Gee]

because moving a body from one car to the other on the street is a gutsy move. leaving her dna in their car is a risky move if a warrant gets called for them. so either she was attacked in her car or on the path, imho. whether hes driving her in his car or hers, its risky either way, and yes riskier for him to drive her car over his but whats more risky than driving her car? moving a body from one car to another on a residential street. unless she was attacked on the path and not attacked in her car. or, she couldve been attacked in her car and ran down the path, or been attacked on the path and ran to her car, made it to the passenger seat. those are possibilities which would explain why blood was found in her passenger seat. where did people say she parked her car, which side of the street?

Gosh, I just have a hard time believing that she was attacked on that trail either. The park and ride and the overflow parking is within earshot of the trail and one scream and the ant hill of people going to work should hear. I guess she could have been quickly incapacitated but..then drag her to wherever? .. mehhh.. Also can't see that car being moved from the original parking spot, used and returned. I would think the perp would be terrified of being seen in the area or in the car.

 

[Treelights]

I posted these thought of mine in thread #2, but haven't seen any responses, so I post these again:

Both are good suggestions.
Someone random, a stranger, with their evil intent, if that is what you mean.
Or do you mean the only thing random was the specific date. Cheryl was the target all along?

Someone holding a grudge to cause pain and suffering to others in her family, could be an idea as well, of which you stated.

If we knew more about Cheryl and the people in her life and the dynamics of their life or lives, then it would be easier to judge that, I suppose.

IMOO.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

I'm still really not sure of the motive, but I am thinking it was either random, or FrostOwl's idea above could work too, and others probably fit. There are so many thoughts and ideas running around my head, and I can't seem to settle on one, as so many fit, or are possible.

But the more I think about it, the more I don't think the perp drove Cheryl's car. I think Cheryl got to the culvert via another vehicle. I just don't think the perp would have enough luck to get her body into the culvert without being seen and also dropping the car back off all without being seen all in the period of time before her car was found.

Are we sure the blood found in the car is even related to what happened that morning? Maybe she or someone else got blood in the car at a different time? I know it is being investigated, but we don't even know how much or whose blood it is, right?

 

[cs2012]

If that person was "in a hurry," why would he ask to ride back to Cheryl's house with her? Or do you mean he is asking her to drive him to the transit center? That's a super-short walk on the woods path, or about 3 blocks via the sidewalk. I'm assuming her car was found on the east side of the street, pointing north, so she's not in a good position to drop someone off at the PnR.

I would find that kind of request totally hinky and say no. I'd think Cheryl would too - she seemed like an intelligent, analytical person.

Not saying it didn't happen - he could have surprised her before she had a chance to answer him, or she was too nice to say no, or any of a million other things. But I don't think it was someone she knew.

good point! if someone did take her car to the culvert, they wouldnt have even naturally taken the main road that she originally drove on, as her car would likely be pointing north. i think if its someone Cheryl knew and they needed a ride back to her neighborhood, like a neighbor or something, she would give them one. she does seem nice like that.

 

[cs2012]

I thought perhaps she made a U-turn.
In my mind, I thought her car would be facing south on the west side (if you are looking north it would be west side), so she wouldn't have to cross the street after getting out of her vehicle
That's just my thought process.
IMOO.

a uturn by a police station? illegal.

 

[cs2012]

Gosh, I just have a hard time believing that she was attacked on that trail either. The park and ride and the overflow parking is within earshot of the trail and one scream and the ant hill of people going to work should hear. I guess she could have been quickly incapacitated but..then drag her to wherever? .. mehhh.. Also can't see that car being moved from the original parking spot, used and returned. I would think the perp would be terrified of being seen in the area or in the car.

is he more likely to get away with what he did/get caught dragging a body from one path or her car to his own car right near a police station, or from driving her car to place her body near the culvert when she hasnt been reported missing yet? or maybe she was alive and he took her to the culvert in her own car.

 

[Treelights]

a uturn by a police station? illegal.

Isn't there a residential street before the police station?
The street I am referring to is making a uturn, or turning in on
234th St. SW. That is on the right hand side. She could turn onto that street, turning around or make a u-turn and be facing south on the same side as Veteran's park, SOUTH
of the police station, south of the library, on 58th avenue west.
She doesn't need to drive up by the police station, she could turn around on the street southeast of the police station.
IMOO.

 

[FrostOwl]

Someone random, a stranger, with their evil intent, if that is what you mean.
Or do you mean the only thing random was the specific date. Cheryl was the target all along?

No, I think that it was someone she knew, not a friend or so, but a familiar face. They (one person, male or female, but most likely a male) might have followed her car at several occasions but that day was the first opportunity when they could lure her into their car, for example they noticed she was looking for something, stopped and asked what was going on, and then offer her a ride home to collect the work badge. If she went willingly into a car, and the stop was a quick one, no-one would have noticed anything.

I guess Cheryl was the target, but perhaps not for her own sake, but a way to get to her loved ones. Unless we learn for sure, it's very possible that she was kept somewhere else and placed in the culvert just one or two days before she was found, to cause as much pain and uncertainty about what had happened to her.

 

[Master Gee]

is he more likely to get away with what he did/get caught dragging a body from one path or her car to his own car right near a police station, or from driving her car to place her body near the culvert when she hasnt been reported missing yet? or maybe she was alive and he took her to the culvert in her own car.

Then return to the scene of the crime with her car? Can't see it. I'm wondering if there is any scenario that she would leave the parking area,willingly, in another vehicle.

 

[Treelights]

Hopefully there will be some more info as to which side of the street her car was parked.
Was her car parked on 58th Ave. West or was it parked on 234th St SW.
Hopefully there will be info as to which direction her car was pointing on whichever street.
Her car was found on that block, too bad we don't know the Exact area.
IMOO.

 

[Hdk]

I am currently on the trail. I am absolutely floored that with the apartments, library, and traffic that ANYTHING could have happened in daylight hours. It's very bizarre.

I do not find the trail creepy at all. It's very nice and open. I do not see anyone living out here and I don't even see traces of garbage or other items that are often left behind by transients.


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[Treelights]

I am currently on the trail. I am absolutely floored that with the apartments, library, and traffic that ANYTHING could have happened in daylight hours. It's very bizarre.

I do not find the trail creepy at all. It's very nice and open. I do not see anyone living out here and I don't even see traces of garbage or other items that are often left behind by transients.


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Thanks for the update!
Maybe the trail has been cleaned up. Maybe the transients have moved elsewhere?
IMOO.

 

[cs2012]

I am currently on the trail. I am absolutely floored that with the apartments, library, and traffic that ANYTHING could have happened in daylight hours. It's very bizarre.

I do not find the trail creepy at all. It's very nice and open. I do not see anyone living out here and I don't even see traces of garbage or other items that are often left behind by transients.


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did you go down the side trails off the main trail? it wasn't quite complete daylight yet. it was barely 7:00am.

 

[Seatowner]

I'm not sure how much I can say without quoting SM, so if any portion of this needs to be edited, let me know and I'll correct it to adhere to all policies.

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There is now a lot of consistency to the SM posts backing/confirming the one (KWWL) that was recently found by a fellow sleuther.

If the rumor is true, a lot of our theories are invalid. And we probably won't receive updates until the other agency has done their investigation.


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[pinklilies]

I've no idea what this means, does anyone else?

 

[idfinch]

I am currently on the trail. I am absolutely floored that with the apartments, library, and traffic that ANYTHING could have happened in daylight hours. It's very bizarre.

I do not find the trail creepy at all. It's very nice and open. I do not see anyone living out here and I don't even see traces of garbage or other items that are often left behind by transients.


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That's good to know! It's also really bright & sunny today though, while Cheryl was there before 7 AM on an overcast day. The dark & shadows grow fast there. I was there at dusk once & was glad I wasn't alone.

I bet that they've upped P&R security & have combed through & cleaned up the park more than once since she went missing. Hope they keep it that way.

 

[cs2012]

Thanks for the update!
Maybe the trail has been cleaned up. Maybe the transients have moved elsewhere?
IMOO.

yeah i mean the police just said people camp out there. so that could be possible.

 

[LotsaLatte]

I believe we have a similar scenario here as in the Whitney Heichel murder. Unbeknownst to her, Whitney had a neighbor/church acquaintance who was obsessed with her. One morning, she was about to drive to work he approached and asked her for a ride. She invited him into her car where he pulled a gun out and forced her to drive to a remote location, where he raped and killed her. He dumped her there, drove her car around for some time, scattering her belongings into trash cans and bushes. Then he left the car at some parking lot.

Maybe Cheryl also gave someone she knew a ride. When she was parking and texting he could have walked up to her car - "Oh hi Cheryl, good parking spot you found here!" - "Yea but I gotta let it go, I forgot something at home, gotta go back." - "Oh would you mind giving me a ride, I'm a bit in a hurry this morning." - "Sure! Hop in!" Then he pulled a gun, powered the phone down, committed the crime in a remote spot, dumped her body (or moved it to his own car and dumped it at night), and drove her car back to where he found her in the morning. I think this all can be done in less than 2 hours.

Something like this has been my theory for some time now, it feels most likely to me.

This is the case that I thought of too! I still think it is possible that Cheryl was familiar with whoever did this. But then again, I think it is possible that it was just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.