Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[Stripehaven]

Could you be more specific? For instance, is the culvert opening too small or is there something else about the environment that makes that scenerio implausible? I would agree that it seems highly unlikely she crawled inside the culvert and killed herself but if she was for instance sitting near the waterway that fed into the culvert and took pills or something that impaired her motor function is it possible, however strange perhaps, that she could have fallen into the water and then eventually moved via the rushing water into the culvert?

Sure. Again, this is IMO. Unless she fell directly into the culvert, I don't think the water volume would be adequate to move her. There isn't a slope nearby to roll down, either. Finally, my main reason for doubting suicide - unless she waited until dark - is that she would almsoat certainly have been seen. The culvert is at the intersection of 2 arterials.

 

[Elainera]

Possible hypothetical scenario that comes to my mind: person is found shot dead lying in water and a gun found next to them. It could be homicide or suicide. Water has washed possible residue on fingers away. Tox can help, if for example a large amount of tranquilizers are found in the blood, then it would point to suicide being more likely.

 

[Kale]

Possible hypothetical scenario that comes to my mind: person is found shot dead lying in water and a gun found next to them. It could be homicide or suicide. Water has washed possible residue on fingers away. Tox can help, if for example a large amount of tranquilizers are found in the blood, then it would point to suicide being more likely.

This is an excellent theory... Also they would need to do forensics on the angle of the wounds probably. I don't see why a murderer wouldn't toss the gun with the body if it's not registered to them and they have reason to think the evidence will be destroyed. I'm sure it's totally unwise for some reason or another, but it's a jump to assume this possible killer is a mastermind.

Maybe the person panicked and thought water was the nearest, quickest, maybe most potentially exonerating dump option.

Ugh driving by the culvert today and seeing the flowers there next to that little hole in the ground... Chills... God I wanna know what happened. TBH that culvert doesn't look like the first choice of someone who wants to throw themselves in a hole and die. Looks uncomfortable to maneuver into.

Not that I've ever believed it was suicide... JMO

 

[Kale]

Sure. Again, this is IMO. Unless she fell directly into the culvert, I don't think the water volume would be adequate to move her. There isn't a slope nearby to roll down, either. Finally, my main reason for doubting suicide - unless she waited until dark - is that she would almsoat certainly have been seen. The culvert is at the intersection of 2 arterials.

There's also a huge huge apartment complex like a block or so away. Just a super duper trafficked area...

ETA: I would go there for help much sooner than I would go there to hide! I wonder.

 

[Treelights]

Remember this, that there were possible sightings of Cheryl?

I wonder where those sightings were?

https://twitter.com/KIRO7Seattle/status/697623747583467520?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[Elainera]

If she were carjacked, I believe she would have sent an entirely different message.

rsbm

Ehm ... because the carjacker would say "go ahead, send your text first, I'll wait"? :thinking:

 

[Kale]

rsbm

Ehm ... because the carjacker would say "go ahead, send your text first, I'll wait"? :thinking:

Yeah I don't think so, lol. IF she had sent the message in the presence of a car jacker, I imagine it would've been something like... Cheryl said people were waiting on/looking for her, and the car jacker said "tell them you're fine and to go on without you". All in all not too far fetched.

 

[jemini]

rsbm

Ehm ... because the carjacker would say "go ahead, send your text first, I'll wait"? :thinking:

The text is a fact. Im interested, what's your thoughts on the content of that text?

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[cs2012]

im still interested on the gravel path the police officer mentioned in the family press conference. i know it may be of no relevance, but we got all these pics of the dirt path and went off about that. im curious about the other entrances to the park, including but also besides the gravel path. are there ones besides the main dirt one and the gravel path?

 

[brandi]

http://www.crimestoppers.com/homicide-cheryl-deboer-csops-220/

 

[kammiemc]

True, but I am a local and familiar with this location. I think what you describe is highly unlikely in this case. IMO, of course.

Yeah, after having seen it, it doesn't really seem possible that a body could get very far in that creek/ditch. Seemed like it was too shallow, curvy and filled with grass/sticks. I really feel like she put there.


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[Yvettea]

Yeah, after having seen it, it doesn't really seem possible that a body could get very far in that creek/ditch. Seemed like it was too shallow, curvy and filled with grass/sticks. I really feel like she put there.

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That's a good point. Seems like it would have been difficult to put a body there.

 

[kammiemc]

That's a good point. Seems like it would have been difficult to put a body there.

It "seems" like it would be easy to deposit a body right there as long as you have the strength to lift it from the car and carry it like 10 feet? Maybe less? Then it's just a matter of dropping it in the ditch. Unless I am missing something?


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[Yvettea]

It "seems" like it would be easy to deposit a body right there as long as you have the strength to lift it from the car and carry it like 10 feet? Maybe less? Then it's just a matter of dropping it in the ditch. Unless I am missing something?


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I thought they had placed the body inside the culvert.

 

[Hdk]

im still interested on the gravel path the police officer mentioned in the family press conference. i know it may be of no relevance, but we got all these pics of the dirt path and went off about that. im curious about the other entrances to the park, including but also besides the gravel path. are there ones besides the main dirt one and the gravel path?

I might go back up and look at the gravel areas. There are cameras in the park and ride as you exit the trail. I wish we knew for certain if she actually walked into the lot enough to actually see her. I guess the possibility there would be that she got to that point and then realized her badge was missing so turned around. It's possible she did interrupt someone breaking into her car or another car- and instead of them being ran off they hurt her in the heat of the moment. It does feel like a second person/second car would be involved though since it seems unlikely that they would drive her in her own car and then return it. Seems more like they would have ditched her car near the dump site.

The culvert is large. It's not a small opening. When you come down the hill you can see the water running in through it. It's wide and taller than some may be imagining.


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[TeaTime]

To all those who are local, at what time of night is this intersection quiet? I think if we know this, we know when her body was placed in the culvert. Are there highway rails above the culvert? How deep is it? Could she have been hit by a car or fallen to where she was found or was she actually hidden in the culvert under a road way. Do we know?

Why would it be hard to get a body to where she was found? Was she wrapped in something?

When I hear that she was actually seen alive that morning, I will think that there is a random murderer out there.

 

[Yvettea]

<snip> I wish we knew for certain if she actually walked into the lot enough to actually see her. I guess the possibility there would be that she got to that point and then realized her badge was missing so turned around. It's possible she did interrupt someone breaking into her car or another car- and instead of them being ran off they hurt her in the heat of the moment. <snip>

Rsbm

This scenario sounds so likely. She is hurried, returning to get her badge. Not paying full attention. Runs right into someone in the middle of something.

I can see this happening.

 

[kammiemc]

I thought they had placed the body inside the culvert.

I think I am confused about exactly where her body was found. I read somewhere it was "half in and half out" and also someone said it was in the grass. But there is grass IN the creek/ditch that is higher than the water, so it's just all a little unclear. Regardless, it was just my perception that it didn't seem like a difficult place (the ditch or the culvert) to drop the body. I wish I taken a pic so you could see. I don't think I am doing a good job at describing.


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[Yvettea]

I've seen some pictures online of culverts that look like tunnels. That's what I'm envisioning so I'm wondering if it would be difficult to put a body inside the culvert.

 

[Kale]

True, but I am a local and familiar with this location. I think what you describe is highly unlikely in this case. IMO, of course.

Yeah, I agree, the culvert is a very restrictive size/shape for something large to wash or roll into it and get stuck. On the other hand I totally believe something would be stuck in there after being placed directly inside.