Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[marcyjoy]

I just have an eerie feeling that this is going to end up being classified as a suicide. The comments yesterday from MLTPD and then there are things in today's article like this quote from her son: “She was loved by many and touched many lives whether she knew it or not,”. It just feels like the information is leading to that conclusion. The lack of commenting by the family (no public outcry to catch the perp, no comments from the husband publicly) and the lack of police information until everything is in, leads me to believe they know, they just need to tie a bow on it and wait for all the due diligence and investigation to trickle in.

 

[steelman]

I've been trying to think of ways she could have been murdered without there being outward, obvious signs of it. A cause of death and manner of death was never announced. Maybe it's because they don't know, maybe it's because they don't want us to know.
Right after the M.E.'s report came out about the self inflicted cuts on her fingers, they immediately shifted into "We have to send samples in for testing and tox results" mode. Was the cause of death simply not obvious or definitive, or was this a delay tactic ?

There's things I can think of that might make it extremely hard to establish a cause of death, here's a few of them:

Being suffocated with a plastic bag or something wrapped around the head.
Drowning.
Poison being injected or swallowed.
Electrocution.

Of course in almost all of the above methods, the person would have to either be restrained or unconscious so that no defensive wounds would be obtained. I'm sort of approaching this from the perspective that the M.E. was unable to establish a cause and manner of death, so he sent all the evidence off for further testing.

If they are just withholding information for the hell of it and writing everything off to the "ongoing investigation", then it's a moot point anyway.

Any other methods you guys can think of that would go largely undetected and depend almost solely on tox reports and extensive testing to expose ?

 

[steelman]

I just have an eerie feeling that this is going to end up being classified as a suicide. The comments yesterday from MLTPD and then there are things in today's article like this quote from her son: “She was loved by many and touched many lives whether she knew it or not,”. It just feels like the information is leading to that conclusion. The lack of commenting by the family (no public outcry to catch the perp, no comments from the husband publicly) and the lack of police information until everything is in, leads me to believe they know, they just need to tie a bow on it and wait for all the due diligence and investigation to trickle in.

That all depends on what was going on inside the confines of her home. The one person that would know isn't saying a word. The one person that would've been aware of her state of mind when she forgot her badge and headed off to work that day.....isn't giving interviews.

 

[otto]

I've been trying to think of ways she could have been murdered without there being outward, obvious signs of it. A cause of death and manner of death was never announced. Maybe it's because they don't know, maybe it's because they don't want us to know.
Right after the M.E.'s report came out about the self inflicted cuts on her fingers, they immediately shifted into "We have to send samples in for testing and tox results" mode. Was the cause of death simply not obvious or definitive, or was this a delay tactic ?

There's things I can think of that might make it extremely hard to establish a cause of death, here's a few of them:

Being suffocated with a plastic bag or something wrapped around the head.
Drowning.
Poison being injected or swallowed.
Electrocution.

Of course in almost all of the above methods, the person would have to either be restrained or unconscious so that no defensive wounds would be obtained. I'm sort of approaching this from the perspective that the M.E. was unable to establish a cause and manner of death, so he sent all the evidence off for further testing.

If they are just withholding information for the hell of it and writing everything off to the "ongoing investigation", then it's a moot point anyway.

Any other methods you guys can think of that would go largely undetected and depend almost solely on tox reports and extensive testing to expose ?

Potassium injection seems to be a clean, difficult to detect, method for murder. The self-inflicted cuts to two fingers, combined with blood on the passenger seat and parts of the passenger door are interesting, and I think it's possible that Cheryl was trying to leave a message.

 

[Treelights]

That all depends on what was going on inside the confines of her home. The one person that would know isn't saying a word. The one person that would've been aware of her state of mind when she forgot her badge and headed off to work that day.....isn't giving interviews.

Right, and the strange thing about that latest article with the omissions about her husband, if I were reading her case for the very first time ever, I would have thought she had a baby out of wedlock, seeing as the article doesn't mention her getting married, doesn't mention her being married, but does mention that she returned to the area after she had her son.
For all I would have known reading this article, the mentioning of her moving to possible places after retirement and mentioning that she was looking forward some day to being a grandmother, that "They" could have meant her and her son, IF I was reading about her case for the first time.

I also would think that perhaps her husband, since we do know she had one, would possibly have known about her state of mind.
http://mltnews.com/family-remembers-cheryl-deboer-following-celebration-of-life/
IMOO.

 

[rotary_dial]

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Any other methods you guys can think of that would go largely undetected and depend almost solely on tox reports and extensive testing to expose ?

From what I've read in the past, using helium with an "exit bag" to commit suicide doesn't leave many traces of what caused the death. It would definitely take tox screening if someone has removed the apparatus because it wouldn't leave physical marks. The person dying would just get lightheaded and pass out. Euthenasia organizations recommend taking a sedative beforehand, to reduce the urge to remove the bag.

I'm not sure how it would be determined if someone did die in that manner if the apparatus was removed from the death scene, and I never looked into that aspect.

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[DatelineFan]

I'm still thinking about how they haven't said what day Cheryl died. If it was a suicide, I think they would have said what day it was.

 

[Treelights]

Could there have been marital problems?
Could there have been talk of a separation?
Maybe Cheryl couldn't handle that?
If Cheryl committed suicide, she did it the week before Valentine's Day.
If she committed suicide, she picked the culvert.
What would prompt someone to commit suicide if they were perceived as "grounded"?
Something would have shaken her to her very core, perhaps.
Was she depressed?
IMOO.

 

[DatelineFan]

Could there have been marital problems?
Could there have been talk of a separation?
Maybe Cheryl couldn't handle that?
If Cheryl committed suicide, she did it the week before Valentine's Day.
If she committed suicide, she picked the culvert.
What would prompt someone to commit suicide if they were perceived as "grounded"?
Something would have shaken her to her very core, perhaps.
Was she depressed?
IMOO.

I don't think suicide is impulsive. For example, I think the individual is usually profoundly depressed for some time. I don't think something happens and they just decide to do it in response to an event.

 

[mrsgladyskravitz]

Respectfully I think highly unlikely as CD was found fully clothed.

IMHO, The possibility exists the perpetrator ensures his/her victim(s) are clothed prior to placement. This would be one way, a "signature" of sorts, connecting his/her serial victims.

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[Stripehaven]

Right, and the strange thing about that latest article with the omissions about her husband, if I were reading her case for the very first time ever, I would have thought she had a baby out of wedlock, seeing as the article doesn't mention her getting married, doesn't mention her being married, but does mention that she returned to the area after she had her son.
For all I would have known reading this article, the mentioning of her moving to possible places after retirement and mentioning that she was looking forward some day to being a grandmother, that "They" could have meant her and her son, IF I was reading about her case for the first time.

I also would think that perhaps her husband, since we do know she had one, would possibly have known about her state of mind.
http://mltnews.com/family-remembers-cheryl-deboer-following-celebration-of-life/
IMOO.

How odd! Hmmmmm. I can understand his perhaps being too shy or distraught to speak. But it does seem odd that his existence was glossed over. Weird.

 

[saengseon]

That all depends on what was going on inside the confines of her home. The one person that would know isn't saying a word. The one person that would've been aware of her state of mind when she forgot her badge and headed off to work that day.....isn't giving interviews.

Superbowl Sunday argument pushed things over the edge? Some guilt now?

 

[saengseon]

I just have an eerie feeling that this is going to end up being classified as a suicide. The comments yesterday from MLTPD and then there are things in today's article like this quote from her son: “She was loved by many and touched many lives whether she knew it or not,”. It just feels like the information is leading to that conclusion. The lack of commenting by the family (no public outcry to catch the perp, no comments from the husband publicly) and the lack of police information until everything is in, leads me to believe they know, they just need to tie a bow on it and wait for all the due diligence and investigation to trickle in.

Nice observation and very well put.

 

[Beesknees]

For what we know Cheryl was a private and pehaps shy person. May be her husband is even more. I can't understand why we never heard a single word from him not even during Cheryl's celebration of life. Very strange indeed. Well, my line of thought is the same from the beginning. Oh yes, I will apologise if I am wrong but untill now inside of me everything points to the 'usual suspect'.

 

[Hdk]

I'm headed up to MLT either today or Saturday. If anyone has any specific pics they want to see or a video please let me know. I know that there a lot of locals so anyone can do this but I'm just putting it out there.

I'm going to take some flowers over on behalf of all of us here. I hope that is okay.
Regardless of how she died she sounded like a remarkable person who impacted many. I feel so sad about Cheryl today.


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[cs2012]

I just have an eerie feeling that this is going to end up being classified as a suicide. The comments yesterday from MLTPD and then there are things in today's article like this quote from her son: “She was loved by many and touched many lives whether she knew it or not,”. It just feels like the information is leading to that conclusion. The lack of commenting by the family (no public outcry to catch the perp, no comments from the husband publicly) and the lack of police information until everything is in, leads me to believe they know, they just need to tie a bow on it and wait for all the due diligence and investigation to trickle in.

in the same article, her family said “She was very much looking forward to retirement and someday being a grandmother." The family is publicly stating on facebook pleading with people to come forward with information as recent as yesterday or the day before. The husband is likely staying quiet to avoid us picking apart his words and on the advice of police/an attorney. I do agree on the last part about police info...My mind is wide open to any theories, though. I'm not leaning either way.

 

[DatelineFan]

I'm headed up to MLT either today or Saturday. If anyone has any specific pics they want to see or a video please let me know. I know that there a lot of locals so anyone can do this but I'm just putting it out there.

I'm going to take some flowers over on behalf of all of us here. I hope that is okay.
Regardless of how she died she sounded like a remarkable person who impacted many. I feel so sad about Cheryl today.


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Thanks so much! I have wanted to leave flowers, too, but I'm no longer living in the area.

 

[Dushi]

I'm headed up to MLT either today or Saturday. If anyone has any specific pics they want to see or a video please let me know. I know that there a lot of locals so anyone can do this but I'm just putting it out there.

I'm going to take some flowers over on behalf of all of us here. I hope that is okay.
Regardless of how she died she sounded like a remarkable person who impacted many. I feel so sad about Cheryl today.


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That is very thoughtful of you.

I would love to see the culvert area, what is around it, how secluded or open it is. And the water level

 

[cs2012]

I've been trying to think of ways she could have been murdered without there being outward, obvious signs of it. A cause of death and manner of death was never announced. Maybe it's because they don't know, maybe it's because they don't want us to know.
Right after the M.E.'s report came out about the self inflicted cuts on her fingers, they immediately shifted into "We have to send samples in for testing and tox results" mode. Was the cause of death simply not obvious or definitive, or was this a delay tactic ?

There's things I can think of that might make it extremely hard to establish a cause of death, here's a few of them:

Being suffocated with a plastic bag or something wrapped around the head.
Drowning.
Poison being injected or swallowed.
Electrocution.

Of course in almost all of the above methods, the person would have to either be restrained or unconscious so that no defensive wounds would be obtained. I'm sort of approaching this from the perspective that the M.E. was unable to establish a cause and manner of death, so he sent all the evidence off for further testing.

If they are just withholding information for the hell of it and writing everything off to the "ongoing investigation", then it's a moot point anyway.

Any other methods you guys can think of that would go largely undetected and depend almost solely on tox reports and extensive testing to expose ?

You just helped me remember, there is a show about a medical examiner and she talks about and does all the death investigations. I think I am going to have to watch it, but it kind of creeps me out, thanks for your comment. If two things happened to Cheryl and it was obvious, then I would think they would need to send things off for further testing. However, I think they do toxicology in most death investigations under suspicious circumstances, even if manner of death looks obvious.

 

[eucalyptuz]

It seems that this latest post in the MLT news with details of the service in Celebration of Cheryl's life comes from someone reporting who attended the event. Although the service had 500 attendees I'm sure most members of the press were weeded out.

The quotes by son, sister, mother and niece must be taken in the context of words and speeches addressed to the congregation rather than press releases. In the husband's defense, it's not all spouses that have the emotional strength at times like this to speak at a funeral or service.
I think the piece was written by a friend of the family that attended the service and that also has a connection with MLT News. Its tone is respectful and celebratory without speculation or comment about what befell Cheryl: a tribute.
http://mltnews.com/family-remembers-cheryl-deboer-following-celebration-of-life/