Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #5

[cs2012]

absolutely, completely

really odd out there theory but some kind of religious sacrifice? highly unlikely, though, certainly.. first thought went to attacked by animal..but in her car?? what?? maybe perp had a dog that attacked her and she attacked dog?? i dont even know. maybe perp had an animal that he had injured to bleed and she got out of car to get animal, brought animal to her car, where animal bit her? that sort of makes sense. or maybe perp attacked animal in presence of Cheryl, she tried to save it, and got bit in the process? maybe she thought she hit it? but then where would the animal be...perp took it?? why would he leave the car?! just panicking, maybe?

 

[kammiemc]

If the goal was to cause enough confusion that would delay finding her until she was definitely deceased, animal blood would work just fine. I've seen similar behavior before -- one example was a woman that avoided security cameras which definitely did delay the investigation because it caused us to focus in a different direction of travel. Unfortunately she had already died before the family reported her missing (she had a good head start), so it really had no impact on the outcome.

Unfortunately trying to apply clear logic to suicidal behavior is problematic. Sometimes people just do stuff.

That would explain why the car would be left in a different area than where she was found, if the idea was to slow down the investigation. Whether or not it was her sending the texts, the person had to have known that it was a possibility that the carpool person would call 911 or alert family that she didn't show up as she said she would.

 

[PLT]

From David Rose Q13 News via his Facebook:

"My colleague, Brandi Kruse, talked with Mountlake Terrace Police Chief Greg Wilson this morning to get some clarification on the lack of evidence to suggest a homicide in Cheryl DeBoer's case. He says there were no defensive wounds. Her car was locked and secured. Her clothes were intact and not disheveled. No tips have come in that offer any insight into her death that would suggest it was a homicide. No physical evidence or lack of evidence that would support “robbery, assault, or abduction.” There is no evidence she was restrained. “You have to put emotions aside. That’s difficult for the community. It’s difficult for the family," said Chief Wilson who added “As with any case like this, we’re going to take a methodical approach in our investigation." Several crime labs are assisting in analyzing evidence including the plastic bag, her car, computer and phone records. The Chief says it would be premature to rule on manner of death before those labs are done analyzing that evidence."

Her personal items are missing....isn't that suggestive that someone has them or discarded them? Just because the manner of death wasn't what they would call "violent homicide" doesn't mean someone else wasn't involved here. I don't buy it.

 

[margarita25]

It's going to become undetermined, and become a cold case. Unless they can produce something from her phone or computer records, emails that I could not find when I searched through them.

Don't give up hope!

 

[Mistree]

There was a small quantity of water in her lungs.

I am SO P***** off for the family. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Stryker57 I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind,

Did your mom ever take frequent walks, and if so was the area of the culvert one she would have walked by, to, around?

Regarding the "bag", because I live in Portland, I know of the green re-usable bags that are required in downtown Portland and
its kind of a fad (for lack of a better word) in the county I live in. Was the "bag" true plastic or of the re-usable type?

I 100% believe you and your family need to seek outside help. Ex: private investigator etc.

I am just beside myself for you and your family. This is beyond words. THIS WAS A HOMICIDE BY A PROFESSIONAL, MOO!

 

[cs2012]

Different location, and consistent with cuts on her hands. When I mention hands two fingers were cut. The cuts were on opposite hands.

so i may be wrong but maybe this means on a door handle or something similar like a knob or steering wheel. hm. thank you for this info.

 

[Dushi]

I do believe it was Cheryl who sent the text.
I don't know what happened after that, i really don't.
A few days ago , I thought I had made up my mind, but after the posts last night and today, and the dribble of news, I am not so sure anymore. And honestly, I don't like where my thoughts are taking me, but .. I do feel there is a great lack of evidence to murder

One thing is for sure to me, if Cheryl didn't send the texts, and if Cheryl was murdered, LE would need to look real close to home .

 

[cs2012]

Pacific Northwest has a lot of satanic cults that use animals for sacrifices ........I said earlier a cult could have been involved in this crime....

it does?? how did you find this out?

 

[Mistree]

It could but I would say there are far fewer cases with it used in a homicide, than in suicides. Without any evidence of her being restrained or assaulted, or any trace evidence on the bag, it looks far less like a homicide.
Imagine holding a bag over someone's head. You need to do more than hold the bag on, you need to restrain their arms. Or have immobilized them first (drugs, hit them on the head, tie them up etc) Probably the most certain way to hold the bag on would also be to hold it tight around their neck, there would be some marks. And at that point, why not just strangle them?
I'm still interested in what was in the lungs, if anything. It would be easy to imagine a bag over your head would function like inhaling a balloon if you went in the water with it on. No matter how much you inhale and fight, the water pressure keeps it over your mouth and nose.

BBM: Ya know, ALL of that could have been done by Cheryl herself as she was at gunpoint, knife point.
A serious professional would KNOW not to leave any single trace to tie it to another besides herself.
Sorry I just do not by the suicide theory no matter how sugar coated it may appear.
What I would like to know, exactly what are the statistics of women in their 50's who opt to commit suicide via the way Cheryl was found??????

 

[cs2012]

From David Rose Q13 News via his Facebook:

"My colleague, Brandi Kruse, talked with Mountlake Terrace Police Chief Greg Wilson this morning to get some clarification on the lack of evidence to suggest a homicide in Cheryl DeBoer's case. He says there were no defensive wounds. Her car was locked and secured. Her clothes were intact and not disheveled. No tips have come in that offer any insight into her death that would suggest it was a homicide. No physical evidence or lack of evidence that would support “robbery, assault, or abduction.” There is no evidence she was restrained. “You have to put emotions aside. That’s difficult for the community. It’s difficult for the family," said Chief Wilson who added “As with any case like this, we’re going to take a methodical approach in our investigation." Several crime labs are assisting in analyzing evidence including the plastic bag, her car, computer and phone records. The Chief says it would be premature to rule on manner of death before those labs are done analyzing that evidence."

finally something that makes sense being said from police. everything else was like hm how is it not homicide? but even saying those little facts is nice of them. they shouldve said that weeks ago. i still think homicide, however.

 

[ANZAC]

I really appreciate your knowledge and input. Isn't a bag used in a suicide done in combination with drugs, alcohol, or helium? Suicide with only a relatively flimsy bag is actually fairly difficult and rare??

I don't know about helium but yes to drugs. But as I said in prior posts saying "you can all kill yourself with x AND y" doesn't always apply. People can be in such a state that they will do things that can even override the body's normal reactions.

And in this case, we have the bag in combination with being in water. So it isn't the bag by itself.

 

[cs2012]

It's going to become undetermined, and become a cold case. Unless they can produce something from her phone or computer records, emails that I could not find when I searched through them.

thats ********. sorry to be so blunt. the community and even members across the world on here think its complete crap. :/

 

[TTF14]

BBM: Ya know, ALL of that could have been done by Cheryl herself as she was at gunpoint, knife point.
A serious professional would KNOW not to leave any single trace to tie it to another besides herself.
Sorry I just do not by the suicide theory no matter how sugar coated it may appear.
What I would like to know, exactly what are the statistics of women in their 50's who opt to commit suicide via the way Cheryl was found??????

BBM.

I don't know the answer to this question, but it's probably identical to the statistics of women in their 50s being murdered this way.

 

[cs2012]

No sign of robbery however, her wallet is still missing. Clothes were not disheveled yet she was in a current strong enough to cause her to travel a bit. AND she died in a situation that she seems to have a phobia of. Things that make you go hmm.

WHY would pickard say these things with the points you made?! ugh

 

[margarita25]

From day 1 police put out a precedent that they were leaning towards a runaway, she probably just wanted to get away. They are trying to mold the evidence to fit their theory of runaway/suicide that they have held from the very beginning when they had no real reason to believe she would runaway based on interviews with close to 100 friends, family, coworkers etc...

Stryker, Tim Miller, the founder of Texas Equusearch, experienced similar frustration when his daughter, Laura Miller, went missing and was later found murdered. As a result, he formed TES, www.texasequusearch.com ....he is one of many examples in which the family was not convinced/in agreement with LE's assessments. While there are fabulous LE agencies out there, God Bless Them, sometimes mistakes are made, and sometimes it takes the diligence of the family to get real answers. Recently I saw a case about a little girl from Cleveland named Gloria Pointer. Her mother went on a quest, a very public one, to find the truth, actively writing letters to all sorts of persons in high political positions, speaking at prisons, etc, etc. I am not saying anything specifically about this investigation, I suspect LE might be playing some kind of game of cat and mouse IF they really do suspect foul play...I don't know what I'm trying to say here. I guess maybe I'm saying if you believe in your heart that something is off here, go with it. Yes, the family often says in cases that are ruled suicides that they don't think the person would kill themselves, this is a common response, but Imo your mother's death does seem highly suspicious, and maybe there is more to the story. Did your mom keep a journal by any chance that you know of?

 

[ANZAC]

BBM: Ya know, ALL of that could have been done by Cheryl herself as she was at gunpoint, knife point.
A serious professional would KNOW not to leave any single trace to tie it to another besides herself.
Sorry I just do not by the suicide theory no matter how sugar coated it may appear.
What I would like to know, exactly what are the statistics of women in their 50's who opt to commit suicide via the way Cheryl was found??????

People who are attacked generally go into a fight or flight state, there is no word of any defensive wounds, or any other marks. If someone tried to put a bag over my head I can tell you I would resist strenuously.

I do have some suicide statistics but not to the level of detail (I don't think they are kept) of both method and location.

I should also point out that while it sounds like all I think of is suicide as the most likely option, I'm the one usually being told by detectives I am too suspicious in trying to come up with homicide theories...!

I would however like to know how the ME determined the hand wounds were self inflicted...

 

[kammiemc]

thank you! how odd..so what do you make of the blood that was found? i am presently clueless...

Is it possible that one or both of Cheryl and her husband went hunting on the weekend and the blood ended up there inadvertently? (I have no clue if it's even hunting season.)

 

[ANZAC]

Stryker, Tim Miller, the founder of Texas Equusearch, experienced similar frustration when his daughter, Laura Miller, went missing and was later found murdered. As a result, he formed TES, www.texasequusearch.com ....he is one of many examples in which the family was not convinced/in agreement with LE's assessments.

In many cases there is a practical limit to how long a broad search can be sustained. Look at the Sky Metalwala search. Without any clues to narrow the search, the child could be anywhere. And at that point, the police "don't know what they don't know".

 

[Eclipsed]

Runaway?

I read a story early on that they felt it was a possible kidnapping at one point…

ETA:

"At the time, police were investigating the case as a possible kidnapping."

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160216/NEWS01/160219330

Runaway, kidnapping, murder…all possibilities are on the table in the beginning.

 

[ANZAC]

BBM.

I don't know the answer to this question, but it's probably identical to the statistics of women in their 50s being murdered this way.

I will say in my experience driving somewhere, and then walking quite a ways to commit suicide is quite common. I can think of at least 10 cases right off the top of my head in the last few years, locally. It rarely gets media coverage, so people are more inclined to assume the world is like CSI or NCIS.