Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[Eileen730]

Didn't strykr say she was running a little late that morning.

That was even in some News articles at first.

So did something happen that morning to cause her to be running late?

 

[dizzychick]

Cheryl's phone was powered down shortly after her last text.

Cheryl mentioned to the car pooler to go on without her.

The car pooler asked how long it would take to get the badge, and Cheryl answered ten minutes.

" “Just go without me,” the text said. “I’ll probably ride home with you.” "

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160216/NEWS01/160219330

Cheryl mentioned that she Probably would ride home with car pooler. Probably is an uncertainty, imoo, as probably is not 100 percent.
Why wouldn't Cheryl just say that Cheryl Will ride home with the car pooler? Instead it is not an absolute. Why even say that she will ride home with the car pooler at all, if Cheryl knew that Cheryl would be back in ten minutes and catch a ride with the car pooler?
The sequence of the texts could hold that answer, though, BUT Cheryl's phone was powered down after the last text? Why?

Either Cheryl powered down that phone herself, or some one else did. How could someone else do it in that short time span of car being seen on video at 7am and last text at 7:02am, and With her car doors locked and secured?

IMOO.

did we see the body that was driving that car ? or just the car itself ? did the cops look at the home surveillance to confirm what we were told that the vehicles left at that time in the morning ? Did the cops check the house over GOOD to make sure everything was okay? Did the cops go to every single traffic cam and that retirement home and look at their cams? Was Cheryl herself seen at these times? These are the questions I would have and if they did do this then Kudos to them for doing a thorough job. Since it was the hubby that actually found the car and searchers that found the body I am not convinced LE was as exhaustive as I would hope unless we are missing many pieces of this puzzle.

 

[Pseudonymph]

I am satisfied that the blood on the floor is explained by the cat food. And I also think the razor blade is easily explained. One thing I wonder is the cuts on both hands. What if she had another razor blade in the other pocket and it floated away? What if she had other pocket contents and they floated away?

 

[margarita25]

Also, justiceforCheryl (thanks again for joining here and for your information) had mentioned Cheryl had a .357, iirc. Being claustrophobic, etc, I would imagine if this was suicide, this might be how she would go about it. Sorry, but the suicide by bag then being in a culvert seems odd to me, but again, anything is possible I suppose and I don't have all the info that LE does. I really wonder what they are referring to when they say we will understand why some info was kept close to the vest, like they know some big thing we don't.

 

[dizzychick]

If the bag was from a restaurant she frequented, maybe it was already in the car, but then that doesn't explain the tying...

Might Cheryl have stopped for breakfast that morning at that restaurant?

Sorry if already asked /discussed.

What it seems like to me at this time is someone might have been/gotten in the backseat, put the bag over her head and strangled her to unconsciousness. Or abducTed her and put her in another vehicle where she was aphyxiated with the bag. Then threw her in the culvert (maybe thinking she was dead), where she continued to drown.

Maybe the perp initially had the razor blade, which was what he used to threaten her with. (Not sure why it was in her pocket, I don't think anyone was trying to stage a suicide).

Re: the animal blood, my guess at this time is that this will be tied to her cat (s), or perhaps the food the cats were eating.

Again, this is all my guess at this time, which seems more likely to me than suicide under those circumstances. Please feel free to poke holes in this theory!

Everything is jmo. I appreciate everyone's thoughts here.

Eta: I lean towards the idea that the cuts are defensive wounds, or sustained during a struggle, but I am not privy to the information LE has as far as how they came to the conclusion that the cuts were self inflicted.

I am guessing if the cops know it was animal blood then they know what type of animal it was, sure wish they would reveal that unless its some type of eivdence they dont want known at this time.

 

[Master Gee]

Unfortunately, I am more receptive now to suicide then I was earlier (maybe 20%) But if someone did snatch me off of the road (while texting) and quickly put a bag over my head (to conceal their identity) tight or loose... I may conk over on the spot (faint). And I'm sure that would incite panic on the perps part. I'm sure they would look for a spot to get me out of their vehicle real quick (not having planned for this.) Pull over on the corner of 205th and Cedar and roll me over the edge. Any brush or leaves I gathered would be washed away after 6 days in the water..

 

[DatelineFan]

Didn't strykr say she was running a little late that morning.

That was even in some News articles at first.

So did something happen that morning to cause her to be running late?

They said she was rushing. I think there's a difference. I'm rushing every morning because I stay in bed as long as possible. But I'm not exactly running late.

 

[initstime]

@Anzac : can you say what a "Verified SAR" is? I've looked around in the search function and can't seem to find what that means. I'm just curious to know what that label means

 

[Jo in Calif]

I knew a girl years ago, much younger than Cheryl, that committed suicide, she was a pleaser, that's what I call her.
Everyone loved her, she did everything to please everyone, she was kind never a bad word about anyone.
No one could believe why she did it, doing good in school, boyfriend very popular.
They found her diary, she wrote how she didn't really want to do things that were often asked of her but she did it to please them.
No history of mental health just was tired of pleasing and decided the way to please herself was to end it all.
Hard for one to understand, no one really knows what goes on in peoples minds.

 

[jemini]

For those who think this must be murder, it is important to apply the same standards as to why you think it isn't suicide. I would ask the following questions:

- Do you think it would be possible to confront, lure and kill a woman and transport her body a mile and half away without leaving any physical evidence? There are no outward signs of struggle on the body, no defensive wounds, no indication that she fought or was overtaken in some way. Could a murderer be so sophisticated that they could accomplish this murder without leaving any trail?

- By the accounts of her family, this is a woman that has no issues. Everyone liked her, she was kind, loving and well adjusted. There are no reported issues with her husband or family. She adopts hard to adopt animals and is deeply cared for by those who know her. Those are the reasons that some would say she would not commit suicide,but by the same account, don't they apply to someone killing her intentionally?

I would be interested to understand from those who firmly believe that it is not suicide, how they answer the above questions. I waiver from day to day and the new info doesn't seem to firmly place any of us in one camp or the other.

From what I've read there are ZERO tells pointing to suicide. If I was given terminal diagnosis then maybe. Sudden psychological issue has never been mentioned that I saw. I was a psycho during menopause, but no one mentioned anything out of character from Cheryl. No one.

This lady was found dead under suspicious circumstances and that is a tell that speaks homicide IMO. Like everyone else not living near MLT we've scoured the maps and surroundings. Coincidentally, there is a butcher shop around the corner from where she parked. They even have a video with a customer holding up a package of fresh pet food.

The facts shared thusfar speak to me methodical, semi-clean, hints of self-inflicted harm, carefully orchestrated. I lean toward someone she knew, but also open to a stranger who watched her patterns. Sadly, there is no shortage of weirdos and evil doers.

IF there is definitive evidence of suicide there will be shock and possibly no answers because it was so out of character and not a single solitary tell of suicide. When they find the real truth, we will all be shocked at another weird murderer that we can't wrap our mind around or understand why Cheryl? Just like many many others that we know happen with sketchy evidence. I'm confident they will find answers because of the efforts and energy that people are putting forth. A lady who sounds more like an angel will never be forgotten.

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[Nan80]

did we see the body that was driving that car ? or just the car itself ? did the cops look at the home surveillance to confirm what we were told that the vehicles left at that time in the morning ? Did the cops check the house over GOOD to make sure everything was okay? Did the cops go to every single traffic cam and that retirement home and look at their cams? Was Cheryl herself seen at these times? These are the questions I would have and if they did do this then Kudos to them for doing a thorough job. Since it was the hubby that actually found the car and searchers that found the body I am not convinced LE was as exhaustive as I would hope unless we are missing many pieces of this puzzle.

I too wonder about dash cams capturing her car at different intersections the morning of 2/8. Was DB the driver in all instances? Was the footage enhanced to rule out someone else perhaps in the backseat?​

 

[Treelights]

Didn't strykr say she was running a little late that morning.

That was even in some News articles at first.

So did something happen that morning to cause her to be running late?

He mentioned in the deleted post about a "Monday Morning Rush" in his opinion, and that she could have easily thought she already took the badge as it wasn't in its usual place; that it was found behind or under clothing, I don't remember which (under or behind). I think he meant that in his opinion if she were in a rush and saw the badge not in its usual place then she could have thought she already had the badge with her.

I did see the article about her running late, but in that post from Stryker57, my recollection was a Monday morning rush, in his opinion.

IMOO.

ETA:

"But Cheryl sent her friend a text message saying she was running late."

http://q13fox.com/2016/02/10/police-searching-for-woman-missing-in-suspicious-circumstances/

 

[Nan80]

Unfortunately, I am more receptive now to suicide then I was earlier (maybe 20%) But if someone did snatch me off of the road (while texting) and quickly put a bag over my head (to conceal their identity) tight or loose... I may conk over on the spot (faint). And I'm sure that would incite panic on the perps part. I'm sure they would look for a spot to get me out of their vehicle real quick (not having planned for this.) Pull over on the corner of 205th and Cedar and roll me over the edge. Any brush or leaves I gathered would be washed away after 6 days in the water..

... all the while being careful to take off her glasses and fold them neatly for later placement with her body?

 

[Dushi]

@Anzac : can you say what a "Verified SAR" is? I've looked around in the search function and can't seem to find what that means. I'm just curious to know what that label means

Search and Rescue?

 

[dizzychick]

I knew a girl years ago, much younger than Cheryl, that committed suicide, she was a pleaser, that's what I call her.
Everyone loved her, she did everything to please everyone, she was kind never a bad word about anyone.
No one could believe why she did it, doing good in school, boyfriend very popular.
They found her diary, she wrote how she didn't really want to do things that were often asked of her but she did it to please them.
No history of mental health just was tired of pleasing and decided the way to please herself was to end it all.
Hard for one to understand, no one really knows what goes on in peoples minds.

the movie "Night Mother" with Sissy Spacek and Ann Bancroft is about suicide, the story is old and has been a Broadway play, I really liked it though it was hard to watch

 

[Justiceforcheryl]

I'm still trying to figure out ho to use this on my phone and am traveling. That is not the car nor the carrier that they used to pick up the cat. This cat would not have injured her nor was he injured in any way. This is a super shy and sensitive cat who came back happy as could be. If something had happened to him or in his presence he would not be that way. He was clearly calm and happy at her house as her son carried him from the bedroom to the living room with no issue. The other cat she got from me could have scratched her due to the smell of the new male. These are both retired breeding/show cats. Males take a lot of time and patience to introduce. I saw and pet the other male. There was no injury on either cat.

 

[Lilibet]

I am guessing if the cops know it was animal blood then they know what type of animal it was, sure wish they would reveal that unless its some type of eivdence they dont want known at this time.

Apparently the blood is not from an animal known to this lab so it has been sent for further testing. I believe this information is from Stryker.

In reply to others who believe this blood on the floor is from the store-bought meat for the cats...it cannot be blood if it is from purchased meat. All meat sold commercially is bled. It's the law. The fluid we see from meat is not blood. This has been linked several times. It would be easy for the lab to distinguish blood from fluid. This information has also been posted. There would be no need for further testing if it is just meat fluid. So, I think we can dismiss the cat food as relevant.

 

[Eileen730]

Anyone wonder what the book was?
The one found in her car.

 

[Dushi]

Anyone wonder what the book was?
The one found in her car.

never been mentioned AFAIK

 

[Master Gee]

... all the while being careful to take off her glasses and fold them neatly for later placement with her body?

Good point!.. one would assume she needed the glasses to text.. Unless she takes them off to text and places them in her pocket? Doubtful.. Thanks ...Just shot my theory to hell OK, I'm, at 23% now..