Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[DatelineFan]

if one of the homicide scenarios on Cheryl's threads pans out to be true, can you imagine how much evidence must have been left behind? IMO They will certainly have plenty to make an arrest.

Also, i was told several times here that the tox reports came back clean but have yet to see it in MSM.

They only released it to the family, so far. I think it makes sense to give the results to the family right away. The public isn't really a priority.

 

[idfinch]

I think getting the results about the type of animal blood will tell a lot more about what happened to her that morning. Sounds like that won't happen with the person away through the end of March.

I'm still 100% on this being homicide (my opinion). The personal stories about her cat just make me more certain that this was not suicide & she was a victim of foul play. I also still firmly refuse to believe she would do this to her husband with him seeing no sign of any depression or issue, without ever once telling him she was despondent.

I'm still stuck on how she got from her car to the culvert. Because imo there's no way no how that she completely changed character at the last second, decided to commit suicide with no planning whatsoever except for a razor blade and a fast food bag, and then walked 1.5 miles with no one seeing her at all so she could sit in icy cold rushing water and try to suffocate and drown herself.

At the very least, even if this was a bizarre suicide (which I don't believe for a second) and she had some emotional attachment to the culvert, wouldn't she have just continued driving there? This winter has been record rainfall for us. I don't remember the exact weather that morning, but the week itself was a deluge. Parking on 58th to text, then walking all that way doesn't sound at all like a brilliant, organized, happy, forward thinking woman with plenty of knowledge of firearms, if she wanted it over. Besides that, her disappearance hit the local media hard and fast that morning. If she would've walked, someone would have seen her. A camera would've spotted her.

Thank you so much to all of the posters who have laid out scenarios with such valuable information in such a concise way. Most of all thank you to Cheryl's friends for being here and being willing to share information. We all genuinely want to know what happened to Cheryl and help find justice for her. Every personal story to get to know this amazing woman just shows even more how much of a humongous, heart wrenching loss this is.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Some folks here have followed A LOT of cases here and have learned a lot about about the slow trickle of information, suicide, murder, missing people, POIs, etc. and about the similarities and differences in different jurisdictions, and about LE, and empathy, etc. While we are often reminded that no 2 cases are the same, we do learn things that help us know which questions are pertinent, that help us recognize certain buzzwords, and that contribute to our individual theories in each case (or that remind us not to have a theory because then we just try to make "facts" fit).

We want to figure out what happened. But sometimes it is better to wait and see... that goes against the nature of so many who follow here, though so I just have to say UGH, trying to have an open mind and not stick to a theory can be so hard!!!

 

[Eileen730]

https://tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/promo279854165.jpg

Easy access to the culvert as I see it.

 

[TweebieDirt]

Plus she just got a new kitty!

Does anyone know from which animal shelter Cheryl adopted? I would like to make a donation in her name. Thank you.

 

[Eileen730]

Adopting a kitty wouldn't stop a person from ending their lives.
She had something more important to live for her Son.
Sadly many ppl come to this end of the road leaving behind loved ones.

What was so unbearable that she did not want to live any more?

(IMO not a murder)

 

[skinnycat]

Does anyone know from which animal shelter Cheryl adopted? I would like to make a donation in her name. Thank you.

I believe the kitty came from a breeder, it has been stated that the kitty was a retired breeder show kitty, not sure what breed, maybe the lady will come back

 

[initstime]

It's been mentioned "wouldn't someone have seen her walk 1.5 miles to the culvert?" but I think the truth is, people these days, especially in this area, mind their own business. Even if people are in distress, I've seen people turn a blind eye because they don't know if the person is dangerous or homeless or mentally unstable. I think we've been conditioned to ignore people (esp if you live in/near a big city) and therefore, I don't think I'd think twice about a woman walking alone at 7 am. I don't buy into the suicide theory, but if she did, I wouldn't have noticed or remembered a woman walking alone. jmo.

 

[rotary_dial]

I wonder if any other family members or friends took polygraphs?



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[TweebieDirt]

I mentioned on another post that it's possible that Cheryl and/or the perp(s) cut through the parking lot behind the nearby strip mall to travel from 58th Ave W. to 56th Ave W. I've confirmed that there are at least two surveillance cameras on the backs of the businesses there: one behind Diamond Knot microbrewery, and another behind Romio's pizza. Again, if police and/or the family are going to utilize surveillance footage, this should be done soon, before the data "rolls over."

 

[Mollyandme]

I have been doing a little research and found a website written by a homicide and forensic consultant. It's called "The Seven Major Mistakes in Suicide Investigation" but most of the article talks about homicide investigation and how there are cases in which a murderer stages a homicide as a suicide. There is one set of graphic pictures of a homicide staged as a suicide by hanging just to warn anyone who would be disturbed by seeing that.

From the link below:

"The investigator should be aware of three basic considerations to establish if a death is suicidal in nature:
1. The presence of the weapon or means of death at the scene
2. Injuries or wounds that are obviously self inflicted, or could have been inflicted by the deceased
3. The existence of a motive or intent on the part of the victim to take his or her own life"

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/7mistakes.htm

The author goes into detail about each of the three basic considerations and I found it worth the quick read.

I'm still on the fence as to whether this was suicide or homicide but in terms of what info we are aware of at this time, here's my initial response to those three questions, based solely on what has been released:

1. Yes, the means of death was found at the scene and matches with the reported autopsy findings, with the plastic bag being able to cause suffocation and the small amount of water in her lungs.
2. They have stated they found two wounds that were self inflicted, one on each hand, and a razor was found on Cheryl. I would say that yes, Cheryl Had the physical ability to cause those injuries and also could have accomplished the act of placing a plastic bag over her head and laying in the water facedown either by purposely laying facedown, or falling facedown after losing consciousness. I would be more inclined to believe this if toxicology results showed certain drugs in her system, and I'm still not clear on whether or not all toxicology results have come back. My main issue with suffocation from a plastic bag is the body's hypercapnic alarm response which would have triggered her body to get access to oxygen, like ripping the bag off, which she could have done since her hands were not tied. I am still not clear on how the bag was kept in place on her head.
3. I do not know the answer to whether or not Cheryl had a motive or intent to end her life. I'm guessing this is one of the main things investigators are looking at. I hope a thorough victomolgy was being conducted as soon as she was reported missing and continues to be explored.

I think the location of where her car was found and where she was found also needs to be closely reviewed.

 

[PLT]

They said she was rushing. I think there's a difference. I'm rushing every morning because I stay in bed as long as possible. But I'm not exactly running late.

Agree. I think he said it was the usual Monday morning rush which could just mean routine (get dressed, take dinner out, drive, meet carpool)....all deadline driven in order to get to work - hence morning rush.

 

[Mollyandme]

I think getting the results about the type of animal blood will tell a lot more about what happened to her that morning. Sounds like that won't happen with the person away through the end of March.

I'm still 100% on this being homicide (my opinion). The personal stories about her cat just make me more certain that this was not suicide & she was a victim of foul play. I also still firmly refuse to believe she would do this to her husband with him seeing no sign of any depression or issue, without ever once telling him she was despondent.

I'm still stuck on how she got from her car to the culvert. Because imo there's no way no how that she completely changed character at the last second, decided to commit suicide with no planning whatsoever except for a razor blade and a fast food bag, and then walked 1.5 miles with no one seeing her at all so she could sit in icy cold rushing water and try to suffocate and drown herself.

At the very least, even if this was a bizarre suicide (which I don't believe for a second) and she had some emotional attachment to the culvert, wouldn't she have just continued driving there? This winter has been record rainfall for us. I don't remember the exact weather that morning, but the week itself was a deluge. Parking on 58th to text, then walking all that way doesn't sound at all like a brilliant, organized, happy, forward thinking woman with plenty of knowledge of firearms, if she wanted it over. Besides that, her disappearance hit the local media hard and fast that morning. If she would've walked, someone would have seen her. A camera would've spotted her.

Thank you so much to all of the posters who have laid out scenarios with such valuable information in such a concise way. Most of all thank you to Cheryl's friends for being here and being willing to share information. We all genuinely want to know what happened to Cheryl and help find justice for her. Every personal story to get to know this amazing woman just shows even more how much of a humongous, heart wrenching loss this is.

I'm having an issue with how far she was found from where her vehicle was parked as well. According to one study, which was from Australia, 99% of women who have been found to have committed suicide outdoors but had been in their vehicle rather than their house before leaving the vehicle to commit suicide, were found within .55 miles of where their vehicle was originally located, which is a much closer distance than Cheryl and her vehicle. The report also said that most of these women were found near water and did acknowledge that there are always outliers where people walk further distances. I did find the distance and percentage interesting so I wanted to share the link.

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/~/...g persons understanding planning respondi.pdf

 

[Terrace12]

I am wondering if she drove her car on a daily basis? Did she ever drive another car? Did a neighbor confirm her car was used all the time? (Older cars sometimes break down and sit for long period of times, tabs could have been expired).

Now that I know she could have possibly used a razor for her cat maybe it was in the car and she stuck it in her pocket quickly to hide it?

Perhaps the bag was in her car to begin with and someone put it over her head in order for her not to know where they were taking her?

Just my thoughts.

IMO of course

 

[Eileen730]

Agree. I think he said it was the usual Monday morning rush which could just mean routine (get dressed, take dinner out, drive, meet carpool)....all deadline driven in order to get to work - hence morning rush.

Does he Live home?
If not how does he know?
Dad?

 

[Nan80]

I have been doing a little research and found a website written by a homicide and forensic consultant. It's called "The Seven Major Mistakes in Suicide Investigation" but most of the article talks about homicide investigation and how there are cases in which a murderer stages a homicide as a suicide. There is one set of graphic pictures of a homicide staged as a suicide by hanging just to warn anyone who would be disturbed by seeing that.

From the link below:

"The investigator should be aware of three basic considerations to establish if a death is suicidal in nature:
1. The presence of the weapon or means of death at the scene
2. Injuries or wounds that are obviously self inflicted, or could have been inflicted by the deceased
3. The existence of a motive or intent on the part of the victim to take his or her own life"

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/7mistakes.htm

The author goes into detail about each of the three basic considerations and I found it worth the quick read.

I'm still on the fence as to whether this was suicide or homicide but in terms of what info we are aware of at this time, here's my initial response to those three questions, based solely on what has been released:

1. Yes, the means of death was found at the scene and matches with the reported autopsy findings, with the plastic bag being able to cause suffocation and the small amount of water in her lungs.
2. They have stated they found two wounds that were self inflicted, one on each hand, and a razor was found on Cheryl. I would say that yes, Cheryl Had the physical ability to cause those injuries and also could have accomplished the act of placing a plastic bag over her head and laying in the water facedown either by purposely laying facedown, or falling facedown after losing consciousness. I would be more inclined to believe this if toxicology results showed certain drugs in her system, and I'm still not clear on whether or not all toxicology results have come back. My main issue with suffocation from a plastic bag is the body's hypercapnic alarm response which would have triggered her body to get access to oxygen, like ripping the bag off, which she could have done since her hands were not tied. I am still not clear on how the bag was kept in place on her head.
3. I do not know the answer to whether or not Cheryl had a motive or intent to end her life. I'm guessing this is one of the main things investigators are looking at. I hope a thorough victomolgy was being conducted as soon as she was reported missing and continues to be explored.

I think the location of where her car was found and where she was found also needs to be closely reviewed.

It would be my thinking that if she placed the bag over her head, lost consciousness and fell into the culvert, there would have been signs of such on her clothes, and she possibly would have an injury somewhere (but maybe not??).

 

[Terrace12]

Adopting a kitty wouldn't stop a person from ending their lives.
She had something more important to live for her Son.
Sadly many ppl come to this end of the road leaving behind loved ones.

What was so unbearable that she did not want to live any more?

(IMO not a murder)

I meant getting a kitty may have shown she was in a good frame of mind! Of course she had many things to live for!

 

[misshissy]

It's been mentioned "wouldn't someone have seen her walk 1.5 miles to the culvert?" but I think the truth is, people these days, especially in this area, mind their own business. Even if people are in distress, I've seen people turn a blind eye because they don't know if the person is dangerous or homeless or mentally unstable. I think we've been conditioned to ignore people (esp if you live in/near a big city) and therefore, I don't think I'd think twice about a woman walking alone at 7 am. I don't buy into the suicide theory, but if she did, I wouldn't have noticed or remembered a woman walking alone. jmo.

I agree. Yesterday a took the bus down to the grocery store. I'm sitting here trying to remember any people walking. It's a busy street with traffic but slow pedestrian wise, I'm sure there were at least a couple of people on the sidewalk in those 6 blocks. I couldn't tell you the first thing about any of them and I wasn't even distracted with driving...just sitting there looking out. I couldn't even tell you what the bus driver looked like, in fact, I'm not even sure if the bus driver was a man or woman. On the way back, I talked to a woman on the bus and I remember her. People have things on their minds, they aren't trying to commit what other people are doing to memory.

 

[Nan80]

What if someone subdued her with chloroform?? Would chloroform show up on toxicology? I just don't understand the bag over the head thing, because the natural inclination for us humans is to gasp for air once our air supply is compromised, and our hands would naturally go to our mouths/throats and take off anything impeding our airway. If she was chloroformed this could put other things into perspective. Anyone know anything about chloroform? It only lasts so long, right? Time enough to set up a murder and stage a scene, IMO.

 

[Nan80]

I agree. Yesterday a took the bus down to the grocery store. I'm sitting here trying to remember any people walking. It's a busy street with traffic but slow pedestrian wise, I'm sure there were at least a couple of people on the sidewalk in those 6 blocks. I couldn't tell you the first thing about any of them and I wasn't even distracted with driving...just sitting there looking out. I couldn't even tell you what the bus driver looked like, in fact, I'm not even sure if the bus driver was a man or woman. On the way back, I talked to a woman on the bus and I remember her. People have things on their minds, they aren't trying to commit what other people are doing to memory.

Depending on how one is dressed for work, I might take note of a lone woman walking on the street in the early morning. And I would note their manner of walking - fast or rush cadence such as missing a bus or hurrying for a bus, or a woman clutching a purse tightly and looking a little lost, etc. Do we know if she was experiencing car troubles in the weeks leading up to 2/8?