Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[Treelights]

Sorry Lilibet, I'm sure no one ignored it on purpose...sometimes this thread just ticks along so fast that some posts just don't get a look in.

I've read the articles on her case and while there are similarities...the difference in age is a big sticking point for me (I have a mom that was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at 69*). And this report BBM :


- See more at: http://www.kdrv.com/news/373386311.html#sthash.cZ8yZRog.dpuf

If voluntary (as suicide), or and act of temporary dementia, this seems so "Left-Field" for Cheryl. No history. No age-related problems. But who knows?

ETA: *my mother was perfectly capable and living independently until a sudden and irreversible slide. Found outside in her night dress, severely dehydrated and agitated in the mid-afternoon by a passer-by.

Sorry to hear about your mom. Dementia and Altzheimers is heartbreaking!! Hugs!!!!!

 

[Yvettea]

If CD had been found in a culvert that was dry this would all be less perplexing. It's the foot or two, or even 3 feet of water that's hard to understand.

 

[Treelights]

I'm going to go ahead and repost what I posted a couple of nights ago. Even though no one responded, so maybe it's a pointless idea , I still think it's just as possible as murder or suicide.

My main point is that this lady lived. But if she had died in the very small culvert with a plastic bag over her head and cuts on her fingers (entirely possible), we would probably think it was either murder or suicide...and we'd be wrong. I'm not saying that I'm convinced this is what happened to Cheryl, but I have no reason to think it didn't. To me, this scenario is just as realistic or unrealistic (with the information we have) as suicide or murder. Feel free to shoot holes in it. But as I said in the post, the difference in age is irrelevant.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-6&p=12432710#post12432710

Good Post, Lilibet, thanks for reposting.
At this point since we don't know, this is valid idea too.
Hopefully we will find out more soon.

 

[Lilibet]

Sorry Lilibet, I'm sure no one ignored it on purpose...sometimes this thread just ticks along so fast that some posts just don't get a look in.

I've read the articles on her case and while there are similarities...the difference in age is a big sticking point for me (I have a mom that was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at 69*). And this report BBM :


- See more at: http://www.kdrv.com/news/373386311.html#sthash.cZ8yZRog.dpuf

If voluntary (as suicide), or and act of temporary dementia, this seems so "Left-Field" for Cheryl. No history. No age-related problems. But who knows?

ETA: *my mother was perfectly capable and living independently until a sudden and irreversible slide. Found outside in her night dress, severely dehydrated and agitated in the mid-afternoon by a passer-by.

Oh I didn't think anyone ignored my post on purpose. I have a thick skin! The idea in the post just didn't jump out as possible, I'm sure. But it kept nagging at me that we are going round and round and round about suicide and murder but sometimes the unexplainable happens. This lady had no history of dementia either. So it was "left field" for her too. If she had died, we'd be going round and round about suicide and murder, never knowing the true story.

My personal theory in this lady's case is that she developed a serious urinary tract infection which can mimic dementia and cause uncharacteristic behavior (I learned this with my mother). Although that's more common in someone older than Cheryl, it can happen. And it could be the onset of dementia too. I'm very sorry about your Mom. That's way too young!

Again, I'm not saying I believe this is what happened with Cheryl, but I'm just as open to the possibility as I am to suicide or murder until we have further information.

 

[darring21]

They've said no evidence of homicidal violence. As for history, many suicides are a complete surprise, people carry around some kind of distorted view of the world and their worth, never show enough evidence for a family to get them to seek help, and end their lives. It is sad but true. The work they are doing now (computer records etc) may present a clearer picture, or may not. We had one where the only piece of evidence to support suicide was a digital picture with a notation "this would be a good place to die", and it took a while for the detectives to find that even after we found the body.

Do you have any statistics to back this up?

80% of people who attempt suicide give some previous indication.

50% have a substance abuse problem.

30%-40% have had a previous attempt.

I'm guessing less than 5% are a complete surprise.

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/suicide

https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditions/Related-Conditions/Suicide

 

[dizzychick]

I have seen links to this thread all over the net, the case is picking up steam. Very interesting.

 

[Mamamerced]

I'm going to go ahead and repost what I posted a couple of nights ago. Even though no one responded, so maybe it's a pointless idea , I still think it's just as possible as murder or suicide.

My main point is that this lady lived. But if she had died in the very small culvert with a plastic bag over her head and cuts on her fingers (entirely possible), we would probably think it was either murder or suicide...and we'd be wrong. I'm not saying that I'm convinced this is what happened to Cheryl, but I have no reason to think it didn't. To me, this scenario is just as realistic or unrealistic (with the information we have) as suicide or murder. Feel free to shoot holes in it. But as I said in the post, the difference in age is irrelevant.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-6&p=12432710#post12432710

Hi Lilibet,
Did LE rule out alcohol and/or drugs. My gut reaction was Ambien or the first appearance of dementia (I know it was said she didn't have dementia, but...).
Somehow, to me Cheryl's case sounds deliberate, on someone's part, but you brought up an interesting point/case.

 

[dizzychick]

who is this lady and look how similar the evidence is, totally bizarre :

http://q13fox.com/2016/01/21/author...ver-while-searching-for-missing-monroe-woman/

 

[Koshka]

I'm going to go ahead and repost what I posted a couple of nights ago. Even though no one responded, so maybe it's a pointless idea , I still think it's just as possible as murder or suicide.

My main point is that this lady lived. But if she had died in the very small culvert with a plastic bag over her head and cuts on her fingers (entirely possible), we would probably think it was either murder or suicide...and we'd be wrong. I'm not saying that I'm convinced this is what happened to Cheryl, but I have no reason to think it didn't. To me, this scenario is just as realistic or unrealistic (with the information we have) as suicide or murder. Feel free to shoot holes in it. But as I said in the post, the difference in age is irrelevant.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-6&p=12432710#post12432710

Very interesting, Lilibet. It reminded me of a woman from my town who ended up in similar circumstances after having a sudden-onset neurological problem. She had no memory of any of it.

 

[DatelineFan]

who is this lady and look how similar the evidence is, totally bizarre :

http://q13fox.com/2016/01/21/author...ver-while-searching-for-missing-monroe-woman/

Marianne Humble. I posted about this earlier today and last week.

 

[otto]

Hi Lilibet,
Did LE rule out alcohol and/or drugs. My gut reaction was Ambien or the first appearance of dementia (I know it was said she didn't have dementia, but...).
Somehow, to me Cheryl's case sounds deliberate, on someone's part, but you brought up an interesting point/case.

In Cheryl's case, the animal blood in the locked car is the piece that makes no sense. We don't even know if it's related to her disappearance. I wonder if the blood on the exterior of the car was hers, or also animal blood.

 

[Yvettea]

In Cheryl's case, the animal blood in the locked car is the piece that makes no sense. We don't even know if it's related to her disappearance. I wonder if the blood on the exterior of the car was hers, or also animal blood.

One article reported it was animal on the exterior.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2939704/F...bt-surrounding-Mountlake-Terrace-womans-death

 

[otto]

The questions I have about the animal blood are whether it contained a preservative, what type of animal, and whether it was only on the floor boards, or also on the car exterior.

Suppose Cheryl found an injured animal. Someone else mentioned that there should also be animal hair. Was there? An injured animal could explain both the blood, and the plastic bag - as one would look for a plastic bag to put under a bleeding animal.

 

[otto]

One article reported it was animal on the exterior.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2939704/F...bt-surrounding-Mountlake-Terrace-womans-death

Thank you!
From your link

"Blood was found inside DeBoer's car and on its exterior. That could have possibly come from self-inflicted cuts on DeBoer's fingers. There was also a large amount of blood on the car floor which has been determined to be animal blood. It is not certain how that blood got into the car or what kind of animal it came from."

Another link:

"Investigators have matched a “small amount” of blood found in the car to DeBoer’s, he said, though they are still trying to trace a larger sample discovered on the vehicle’s passenger floor board that is from an animal."

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...y-no-evidence-cheryl-deboer-death-a-homicide/

 

[DatelineFan]

One article reported it was animal on the exterior.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2939704/F...bt-surrounding-Mountlake-Terrace-womans-death

It doesn't say the exterior blood is from an animal. Here's what it says:

Blood was found inside DeBoer's car and on its exterior. That could have possibly come from self-inflicted cuts on DeBoer's fingers. There was also a large amount of blood on the car floor which has been determined to be animal blood. It is not certain how that blood got into the car or what kind of animal it came from.

 

[Yvettea]

It doesn't say the exterior blood is from an animal. Here's what it says:

Blood was found inside DeBoer's car and on its exterior. That could have possibly come from self-inflicted cuts on DeBoer's fingers. There was also a large amount of blood on the car floor which has been determined to be animal blood. It is not certain how that blood got into the car or what kind of animal it came from.

Speed reading failed me again.

 

[DatelineFan]

Speed reading failed me again.

It happens to me, too!

I can't stop thinking about (if the animal blood is related) where the hell is the bleeding animal??

 

[otto]

It happens to me, too!

I can't stop thinking about (if the animal blood is related) where the hell is the bleeding animal??

Exactly! Either the blood was deliberately put there, or an injured animal was there.

It could be determined whether it is old blood, or fresh blood. If it was fresh blood, where is the animal? If it wasn't fresh blood, how was the blood transported to the car?

Assuming that the finger cuts are self-inflicted, why would Cheryl leave blood on the exterior of her car? Touching the car exterior isn't something that I normally do - other than pulling the door handles. If she was bleeding, then either she deliberately put blood on the exterior of the car, or there's an unexplained reason for her to have her bleeding hands on her car.

If she deliberately put her bleeding hands on the car exterior, then the animal blood should also be staged, and it should be old blood.

 

[Yvettea]

Depending on where this large amount of animal blood is on the floor, Cheryl would not be able to sit there without getting blood on her shoes or feet.

 

[otto]

Depending on where this large amount of animal blood is on the floor, Cheryl would not be able to sit there without getting blood on her shoes or feet.

True, but she was in a moving creek for 6 days. Blood would have been washed off her shoes. I seem to recall hearing somewhere that water is one of the best ways to get rid of evidence.