Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[eucalyptuz]

Yes. That's where I'm going too. Given the animal blood on the floorboards, there are three possibilities:
[*] injured animal; where is the animal
[*] Cheryl put the blood there
[*] Another person put the blood there

I really don't think that we can eliminate the possibility, just yet, that the animal blood on the floor came from an innocent and unrelated event. As mentioned above by Cheryl's cat breeder friend* (*disclaimer: unverified), she had recently received a cat who had been reared on fresh meat. I find it possible that Cheryl had sought out a supplier of cat meat and had transported it in her car and it had leaked. With low temperatures and high humidity, I think it's possible that a leaked wet patch of meat juices may remain wet for a day or two?
Hopefully, the authorities can answer questions of the source of the animal blood...the poor guy on his annual leave who will have this on his desk when he get's back from holidays...
:gaah:

 

[DatelineFan]

Do you think they searched more diligently and more people participated because they were alarmed by the large amount of blood and thought she must be badly injured?

I think so. I think that's also why her husband immediately called 911. Isn't that when he called? After finding the car?

 

[Treelights]

Yes, but he didn't say it was her routine not to lock the doors when she got out. I edited my post. He said she didn't lock them after she got in. He has two posts on this if you look at my original post. I just wanted to make sure we are discussing this accurately in context of what he said.

Ok, there was a chance that the doors were unlocked, so it could be possible.

 

[DatelineFan]

Ok, there was a chance that the doors were unlocked, so it could be possible.

I agree it could have been planted, for sure.

Sorry to be so pedantic about the doors. It's just been mentioned a few times, and it was bothering me, since we're basing assumptions off of it.

 

[Treelights]

I agree it could have been planted, for sure.

Sorry to be so pedantic about the doors. It's just been mentioned a few times, and it was bothering me, since we're basing assumptions off of it.

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Quote Originally Posted by Hdk View Post
Stryker57- how likely is it that the car was unlocked when your mom got in it at the house? I never even thought about the idea of someone being in the backseat when she got in the car.

The badge being missing on that particular day could then mean absolutely nothing - but if someone really was in the car then I'm not even sure how / why she would have sent a text at all.


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I misread your post, however that morning there was a chance the car could have been unlocked when she entered."

Here is the other post about it, so it could be likely the door was unlocked, that was my point all along.

IMOO.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

This scenario just sounds so exhausting a way for someone to plan a suicide. It requires so much effort. I believe it's a homicide.

 

[Treelights]

I would be surprised if someone would drive to work with a wet puddle of blood on the passenger seat floor. That would cause most intelligent persons to get out of the car and follow up.

The animal blood in the car must have happened after she left her house, and before she was at the culvert.

Not if she got in her car when it was dark before 7am… would she even look at the passenger's seat? She carried a wallet not a purse, so her purse wouldn't be on the seat because she didn't have one.
Did she carry an extra bag, or a laptop? I wonder where she would have put that?
IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

This scenario just sounds so exhausting a way for someone to plan a suicide. It requires so much effort. I believe it's a homicide.

It really does, doesn't it!!

 

[Treelights]

Round in circles…..

I am getting dizzy from all of this…

I hope there's more news soon.

IMOO.

 

[otto]

There hasn't been any further information that I've seen, so I don't know about alcohol or drugs. It certainly could be a prescription drug interaction too. She disappeared in the afternoon, so I would say a UTI or early dementia before Ambien. To some degree this lady acted deliberately, although it wasn't a reasonable thing to do. If she had died, we wouldn't know that she had put herself in the culvert without intending suicide. And it could seem like murder. So it struck me that Cheryl's case is as confusing currently as this woman's might be if she had died.

At the age of 53, I would hope that Cheryl's biggest problem was menopause, not dementia. Dementia would come later, if at all. Given Cheryl's mothers' appearance at the Press Conference and online, she does not appear to be suffering signs of dementia. Dementia can be both inherited and/or environmental.

I'm ready to rule out blond moment where Cheryl walked into a waste deep cold creek with a plastic bag over her head.

Where is the injured animal? Either Cheryl or a stranger put animal blood on the passenger seat of her car. If Cheryl did it, where is the animal? If it was old blood, she was losing it for some reason and I would expect more from an autopsy. If someone else did it, this is a bad murder.

Suicide requires that she put animal blood on the floorboard of the passenger seat. That's not normal. The autopsy should be able to identify severe deterioration of her mental abilities if that happened. Evidence analysis can identify whether the animal blood was fresh, or old.

I believe it was Cheryl's mother who commented that there were no drugs in Cheryl's system.

" DeBoer's mother, Lenore Peterson, commented on a Facebook page in memorandum of DeBoer about the Mountlake Terrace police's recent statement.

"As confusing as the news reports are, our family is unwilling to discontinue the investigation surrounding Cheryl's death. It is inconceivable that Cheryl would take meat out of the freezer for dinner, text the driver of her carpool that she would be at the park and ride in 10 minutes, park her car, walk 1 1/2 miles, crawl through brambles and mud, put a plastic bag over her head and lie face down in a cold shallow creek to end her life. There is no evidence of drugs in her body, nor evidence from family or co-workers of depression or other reasons for her to even consider suicide. The lack of understandable evidence is not a reason to assume this is suicide. If Cheryl would have ever considered this, she could have thought of many easier ways to accomplish the act. I'm sorry, but Cheryl did not take her own life!! Someone out there knows something. Please contact the MLT police!!!"

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2939704/F...bt-surrounding-Mountlake-Terrace-womans-death

 

[Mistree]

Could it be possible that Cheryl was taking some of the raw meat or maybe some meat of whatever sort ( via the plastic bag) to a co-worker?
Also, I posted a thread or two back about the black marks around the door of her car gas tank door.
Could it be possible blood was found there and that is the remnants of a chemical used to test for blood?
At the same time I also posted about the noticeable distance of position the passengers seat was in.

 

[Treelights]

At the age of 53, I would hope that Cheryl's biggest problem was menopause, not dementia. Dementia would come later, if at all. Given Cheryl's mothers' appearance at the Press Conference and online, she does not appear to be suffering signs of dementia. Dementia can be both inherited and/or environmental.

I'm ready to rule out blond moment where Cheryl walked into a waste deep cold creek with a plastic bag over her head.

Where is the injured animal? Either Cheryl or a stranger put animal blood on the passenger seat of her car. If Cheryl did it, where is the animal? If it was old blood, she was losing it for some reason and I would expect more from an autopsy. If someone else did it, this is a bad murder.

Suicide requires that she put animal blood on the floorboard of the passenger seat. That's not normal. The autopsy should be able to identify severe deterioration of her mental abilities if that happened. Evidence analysis can identify whether the animal blood was fresh, or old.

I believe it was Cheryl's mother who commented that there were no drugs in Cheryl's system.

" DeBoer's mother, Lenore Peterson, commented on a Facebook page in memorandum of DeBoer about the Mountlake Terrace police's recent statement.

"As confusing as the news reports are, our family is unwilling to discontinue the investigation surrounding Cheryl's death. It is inconceivable that Cheryl would take meat out of the freezer for dinner, text the driver of her carpool that she would be at the park and ride in 10 minutes, park her car, walk 1 1/2 miles, crawl through brambles and mud, put a plastic bag over her head and lie face down in a cold shallow creek to end her life. There is no evidence of drugs in her body, nor evidence from family or co-workers of depression or other reasons for her to even consider suicide. The lack of understandable evidence is not a reason to assume this is suicide. If Cheryl would have ever considered this, she could have thought of many easier ways to accomplish the act. I'm sorry, but Cheryl did not take her own life!! Someone out there knows something. Please contact the MLT police!!!"

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2939704/F...bt-surrounding-Mountlake-Terrace-womans-death

Respectfully I disagree that suicide requires her to put animal blood on the floorboard of the passenger seat.

Do we know who put the blood there?
Do we know WHY it is there?

It might have no bearing on a suicide or a homicide.
We don't know.

IMOO.

 

[kammiemc]

I really don't think that we can eliminate the possibility, just yet, that the animal blood on the floor came from an innocent and unrelated event. As mentioned above by Cheryl's cat breeder friend* (*disclaimer: unverified), she had recently received a cat who had been reared on fresh meat. I find it possible that Cheryl had sought out a supplier of cat meat and had transported it in her car and it had leaked. With low temperatures and high humidity, I think it's possible that a leaked wet patch of meat juices may remain wet for a day or two?
Hopefully, the authorities can answer questions of the source of the animal blood...the poor guy on his annual leave who will have this on his desk when he get's back from holidays...
:gaah:

We're obviously totally guessing here about how the animal blood got in the car. But I got the impression (perhaps inaccurately) from Stryker's post that the animal blood was actual blood, not just the reddish juice that could leak from raw meat packaging, mostly because he said it was enough to smear around with your hand. It made me think it had more of the thickness of blood if it were smear-able.

This is a weird question, but with the butcher around the corner, could someone access the blood disposed of during the butchering process, like behind the building? I am sure there are regulated procedures for butchers, but the proximity is interesting.

ETA: I just checked out the butcher shop on the map. It is just a quick walk through the alley/parking lot. The equivalent of two blocks.

 

[Yvettea]

Of all the elements of this case the one that seems the least coincidental to me is finding a large amount of animal blood on the floor on the passenger side - the same day Cheryl disappears.

 

[otto]

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Quote Originally Posted by Hdk View Post
Stryker57- how likely is it that the car was unlocked when your mom got in it at the house? I never even thought about the idea of someone being in the backseat when she got in the car.

The badge being missing on that particular day could then mean absolutely nothing - but if someone really was in the car then I'm not even sure how / why she would have sent a text at all.


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Very likely. Car doesn't lock automatically, and she wasn't one to lock her door after she got in."

Stryker57 mentions that it was very likely the car was Unlocked when Cheryl got in the car at her house.

Here's one possible scenario:

She was on her way to work at 7AM when she realize that she forgot her badge. She turned conveniently onto 58th, pulled over in front of the park along the route she normally took home, and powered up her phone.
QUESTION: if police know that she powered down the phone shortly after 7:02, did she also power up the phone at 7:02AM?. It would be helpful to know if she habitually powered up and powered down her phone.

This map shows her route to work, and her route home per a verified family member.



At 7:02AM, Cheryl texted her carpool friend (15 years as carpool buddies) about the badge, they went back and forth about needing 10 minutes , and shortly afterward Cheryl's phone was powered-down. Did she see an injured animal and plan to complete the text a few minutes later?

There is a substantial amount of animal blood in Cheryl's car. Did Cheryl pick up an injured animal, carry it to her car, look for a plastic bag, put the animal in the car? Then what?

The animal blood and her blood (passenger interior door, console) are in the car (perhaps exterior as well), but there's no deductive argument that supports that her blood was due to self-inflicted cuts by a razor blade in her pocket. If the cuts are thin, that would explain why the ME assumes the finger injuries are self-inflicted. If she self-inflicted the injuries, then she had to have poured animal blood in her car, and that's just not normal.

 

[Treelights]

Of all the elements of this case the one that seems the least coincidental to me is finding a large amount of animal blood on the floor on the passenger side - the same day Cheryl disappears.

Unless you consider she got a cat on Friday that ate a raw diet and if I am not mistaken the person that Cheryl got the cat from said that the cat wasn't eating the food that was provided, so maybe Cheryl experimented with a new blend of raw meat?

IMOO.

 

[otto]

Of all the elements of this case the one that seems the least coincidental to me is finding a large amount of animal blood on the floor on the passenger side - the same day Cheryl disappears.

What reason is there for animal blood in her car?

 

[Yvettea]

What reason is there for animal blood in her car?

To gin up the interest in the case.

 

[otto]

Unless you consider she got a cat on Friday that ate a raw diet and if I am not mistaken the person that Cheryl got the cat from said that the cat wasn't eating the food that was provided, so maybe Cheryl experimented with a new blend of raw meat?

IMOO.

Cheryl can experiment with any kind of raw meat that she wants, but where would she legally obtain raw meat that is so fresh that it has blood on a Monday morning? Consumer meat, for people and animals, does not contain blood.

 

[otto]

Ok, there was a chance that the doors were unlocked, so it could be possible.

My understanding is that when she parks at home, she doesn't normally lock car her doors.