WA WA - Elma, AsianFem 25-40, 330UFWA, Sz6 pearl Avon ring, gold earring w/5 blue sapphires, Oct'88

[Earth]

Has Diane Nyugen been ruled out? I realise the age is off, but since the body was skeletal I think we need to check.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Has Diane Nyugen been ruled out? I realise the age is off, but since the body was skeletal I think we need to check.

I don't think this is a bad suggestion. They look very similar and other than age, their vital stats are a pretty close match.

 

[Earth]

I don't think this is a bad suggestion. They look very similar and other than age, their vital stats are a pretty close match.

Could somebody please submit her as I am not in America and cannot contact NamUs.

 

[djanga]

I can't speak to how accurate this is but her admixture has been uploaded and indicates that she's largely of east asian descent.

This Jane Doe is 100% Southeast Asian, and her admixture from GEDmatch was published. However, according to the to Diane Nyugen’s profile on Charley Project, she is biracial (half Asian and half Caucasian). I’m not sure it can be her, but it’s definitely worth submitting.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Could somebody please submit her as I am not in America and cannot contact NamUs.

I'd be happy to submit for you, but The Doe Network has a fairly simple method of submitting potential matches. This is how I submit the majority of my potential matches. I'm not entirely comfortable making phone calls and usually don't have the time, and rarely get a response from NamUs, so this is convenient. I encourage you, and anyone else willing, to give it a try! Let me know if you need help.

Potential Match Submission To Panel

www.doenetwork.org

 

[djanga]

I submitted Chiu Le Jean as a possible match to the DDP a while ago, but since then, they have published a new public appeal in an attempt to identify this Jane Doe.

I think the problem is that, as Chiu Le Jean and her husband were immigrants (likely undocumented), there are probably no other relatives of hers in the U.S. Without the DNA of her relatives, it’s impossible to rule her out. Unless they have her dental records of course.

 

[Melt71]

Could somebody please submit her as I am not in America and cannot contact NamUs.

Did you submit to Doe Network as suggested by Mad McG on your post? You don't need to be in the US.

 

[Earth]

So

Did you submit to Doe Network as suggested by Mad McG on your post? You don't need to be in the US.

sorry, I'm afraid I didn't.

 

[Melt71]

I find it frustrating that DDP doesn't publish their regular updates of the high cM matches anymore - it was seeing the occasional single new match appear for cases like this that kept my hopes up.

 

[Melt71]

Checking in on my pet case. I wish DDP would release any known surnames, I would happily leverage some of my Cambodian connections to try and get leverage, or travel to Cambodia to help collect reference samples (I used to live there and go back regularly).

 

[JovanSrna]

I find it frustrating that DDP doesn't publish their regular updates of the high cM matches anymore - it was seeing the occasional single new match appear for cases like this that kept my hopes up.

I think it became too much of a chore as the number of cases blew up. I'm still more interested in their oldest cases because I've followed them the longest.

 

[ReDReq]

I still wonder could The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
be a match?

Yea, there is a long distance between the places, but since her disappearance is suspicious and she was trying to get to Klamath Falls (and dating someone associated with Hell's Angels...)..?

 

[Melt71]

I still wonder could The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
be a match?

Yea, there is a long distance between the places, but since her disappearance is suspicious and she was trying to get to Klamath Falls (and dating someone associated with Hell's Angels...)..?

Rhonda is mixed Pacific Islander according to Namus but Filipina according to DoeNetwork. Feel free to submit (as above, I'd suggest via the DoeNetwork as they have the simplest way of submitting). As the DNA of these remains is exclusively Asian/East Asian I think it's unlikely but would be good to have it confirmed. The admixture was published some pages back in this thread.

 

[Melt71]

A reminder of some of the dangers facing mushroom foragers in the Pacific NW, just a few years later, published 1993

Mushrooms yield cash -- and violence -- in Pacific Northwest​

www.upi.com/Archives/1993/09/16/Mushrooms-yield-cash-and-violence-in-Pacific-Northwest/7551748152000/

Small extract:
In rural backwoods of Washington, Oregon and Idaho states, the arrival of the wild mushroom picking season this fall brings renewed fears of violent crime.
Over the past year, two Cambodian immigrants have been shot to death while picking mushrooms in national forests in Oregon.
Those close to the industry describe rampant theft, robberies at gunpoint, and routine brandishing of weapons.
They say fierce competition among pickers, loose accounting and the remoteness of the mushroom picking grounds have bred an undercurrent of violent crime.

 

[ReDReq]

Rhonda is mixed Pacific Islander according to Namus but Filipina according to DoeNetwork. Feel free to submit (as above, I'd suggest via the DoeNetwork as they have the simplest way of submitting). As the DNA of these remains is exclusively Asian/East Asian I think it's unlikely but would be good to have it confirmed. The admixture was published some pages back in this thread.

Will do that later today. And it is like others say, hard to say about who she might have been and if she was reported or even known to be missing.

 

[Melt71]

Will do that later today. And it is like others say, hard to say about who she might have been and if she was reported or even known to be missing.

Yes. If she had been reported missing and was in today's modern MP systems I suspect she would have been ID by now.

There are so many variables but she simply may not have had any close family left. Similar to Jewish families in the Holocaust, generations of entire Khmer families were killed or died during the Lon Nol and Pol Pol eras. DNA reference groups aren't there for Asians in general, but I imagine might be even more problematic for those of Cambodian origin, for this reason.

 

[ReDReq]

Yes. If she had been reported missing and was in today's modern MP systems I suspect she would have been ID by now.

There are so many variables but she simply may not have had any close family left. Similar to Jewish families in the Holocaust, generations of entire Khmer families were killed or died during the Lon Nol and Pol Pol eras. DNA reference groups aren't there for Asians in general, but I imagine might be even more problematic for those of Cambodian origin, for this reason.

For sure! And in general, I fear the lack of possible good matches is possible within Europe a lot too. Same with middle East, as rhe geopolitical situation is very seesaw-ish. It do not help, that some people are extremely sceptical of DNA tests in general and do not want to find out their roots (the fear of privacy violation is there too.) Also I am still somewhat unsure about how much one group in Northern Europe has taken part in tests in general (The strong eugenics issue and prejudice for years.). Sami people.

I think the ongoing issues in Asia is problematic too, since it seems to be equally turbulent. And people moving from one place to another a lot too, without even telling to their family is not helpful either.

 

[Melt71]

I think the ongoing issues in Asia is problematic too, since it seems to be equally turbulent. And people moving from one place to another a lot too, without even telling to their family is not helpful either.

In my experience they do tell people where they are going, but in many cultures there was an oral storytelling tradition; reading and writing was for the elite. And stories morphed into half-truths or died out along the way. My own husband is the perfect example of this - he has some memories of stories told to him as a child about family migration patterns but no real knowledge beyond his grandparents. My husband and his siblings are the first literate generation in their family.

 

[ReDReq]

In my experience they do tell people where they are going, but in many cultures there was an oral storytelling tradition; reading and writing was for the elite. And stories morphed into half-truths or died out along the way. My own husband is the perfect example of this - he has some memories of stories told to him as a child about family migration patterns but no real knowledge beyond his grandparents. My husband and his siblings are the first literate generation in their family.

I agree on that my knowledge of Asian cultures is fairly limited. But the oral tradition part I am familiar with. As well as in some cases "disowning" or just not informing authorities of possible kidnappings or other types of trafficking. I just wish these women would find back to their homes.