MISTRIAL WA - Four Parkland PD officers shot to death, 29 Nov 2009 *shooter killed, Driver 3rd hung jury*

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Songline, yes here's a brief part of the story Texas Mist linked...by the way, this was a great summary of the many holes in the sidewalks that are in need of repair, in our justice system. Of course, it's only a start, but when people ask "where do you begin", I think this article might provide some guidance.

Four days in May set stage for Sunday's tragedy

After his release on May 10, Clemmons' mental state degenerated, with his wife saying he was acting "crazy," according to a Pierce County sheriff's report.

At about 1 a.m. May 11, Clemmons appeared naked in his living room and demanded that two young female relatives — ages 11 and 12 — sit on an ottoman and fondle him, one of the girls later told police. They obeyed, the girl said, because they were "scared." The 11-year-old soon fled, and wasn't seen for days.

But Clemmons continued to assault the 12-year-old until she cried herself to sleep, police records say. Clemmons, still naked, soon woke her and demanded she join him and his wife, Nicole Smith, in their bedroom. Clemmons referred to himself as Jesus and Smith, naked and wrapped in a bedsheet, as Eve. Smith begged her husband to let the girl go, and Clemmons complied, the girl later told police.

More at link...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010392869_shootingjustice01m.html

Wasn't he just found competent to stand trial? I thought he was to go to trial in January 2010?

imo

 

[Kano]

Fast forward to November 29th, four cops are shot dead in an ambush as they do paperwork in a coffeeshop in an otherwise quiet northwestern town. Where is CNN? I kept checking all the big networks and there was astonishingly little coverage of this horrific event. So I “switched channels” to Twitter. Truth is I was on Twitter all along but I all but quit paying attention to the so-called experts at the big networks.

Sad thing, our "news" has simply turned into a political platform

 

[fhc]

Wasn't he just found competent to stand trial? I thought he was to go to trial in January 2010?

imo

Yes he was on both questions.

 

[Texas Mist]

Pierce County officials have scheduled a press conference for about 2:30 p.m

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21776444/index.html

they just got done w/ mic checks - hopefully will be back any minute

 

[fhc]

Sad thing, our "news" has simply turned into a political platform

and TMZ
jmo

 

[Searchfortruth]

Wasn't he just found competent to stand trial? I thought he was to go to trial in January 2010?

imo

I know he was found competent to stand trial when examined in October, but the report also said he was a risk to public safety. Why the Judge in this case granted a $150,000 bail, given the report, past history and recent charges, is beyond me.

This from KING 5 news...

"In the Oct. 19 evaluation report, psychologists Melissa Dannelet and Carl Redick wrote, "Based on Mr. Clemmons' documented criminal history, information obtained through interviews and treatment and a review of risk factors, it is our professional opinion that he presents with increased risk for future dangerous behavior and for committing future criminal acts jeopardizing public safety and security due to past illicit behaviors."

"Those risk factors included "previous violence, young age at first violent incident, relationship instability and prior supervision failure," Dannelet and Redick wrote."

"However, they said they had "insufficient grounds" to recommend that Clemmons be civilly committed. He appeared to be suffering from no mental disease when they interviewed him for 75 minutes on Oct. 14 in jail."


http://www.king5.com/news/local/Psych-report-found-Clemmons-risk-to-public-safety-78246157.html

 

[crystalgenie]

What Arkansas did was absolutely ludicrous!! What we did here in Washington state was sheer, suicidal stupidity!!!


My main concern, living in Washington state, is that you can be sitting in jail November 3 and recieve notification, by letter, that you are a habitual offender and you will be going to jail for the rest of your life without parole. You get to sit and stew on what you would do to the police and anyone else on your hit list for just over 2 weeks and when you are sure what you want to do...JACKPOT some scummy judge lowers your bond from 400,000 to 125,000. Then a bail bondsman from "Jail Sucks" shows up.... Now what is a violent career criminal going to do???? He's going to go kill 4 police officers in a coffee shop!!!

I'm not feeling to safe in Washington even with Clemmons dead. What kind of homicidal felon is going to get the next letter and then bail???

It's not just the "Days in May"... It's notification in jail of life without and then bail!!!

 

[Searchfortruth]

I wonder if MC used the "mental instability" because he wanted to sleep with the young girls living in his house...it seems too convenient to me. I know with mental illness the symptoms can come and go, but most of the reports indicating delusional behavior ("I am Jesus", etc...) are coming from his family...just saying.

Also, it was reported that his sister was working on an insanity defense (of sorts) for the rape charges..the police found this on her computer (I can't remember where I read this, but it was after the raid on the house in Leschi). They have protected him in every way possible...maybe his mental illness did come and go, depending on what he wanted or how much trouble he was in.

 

[legalmania]

3 people who helped elude the suspect who killed 4 police officers are under arrest. They are said to have spent time with the man in prison. According to NBC news.

 

[gibby207]

Omg.... just toooooooo close for me. I live in Auburn. I wonder how many more of his friends live around here. (((goosebumps)))

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78267897.html

 

[Wise Old Owl]

:furious: I am just fuming here watching JVM about this guy! WTH is this woman - some scummy defense attorney who wants to commend Huckabee for letting this out because "he was just a kid" when he committed his first crimes!!!! :furious:

These "tree huggers" are killing (literally) our country and our people. Our justice system is BROKEN. I don't give it too many more years and we will all be living in fear of the criminals walking our streets - all because someone feels bad about how this person is - he was abused as a kid, he was picked on as a kid, he didn't have a mommy or daddy, GMAFB!!!!!!

:furious: :furious:

 

[panthera]

3 people who helped elude the suspect who killed 4 police officers are under arrest. They are said to have spent time with the man in prison. According to NBC news.

Thanks for the update, and all I can say is thank God my prayers were answered during the night. He's gone and no more LE were injured or killed by him, or ever will be again. Justice is served. MOO

 

[milliac]

I was VERY relieved to wake up this morning to the news. For one thing, I don't have to worry about my sons quite as much as I do everyday anyway. I have to respectfully disagree with a few of you concerning the article, "Schram: We don't need to know "why", though. end quote

MissIzzy, did you read Shram's article that previous opinion?

http://www.komonews.com/news/78144617.html

What the hell is going on in the world?

Summary
Who hasn't asked themselves what the hell is going on in the world when four people who had pledged to serve and protect you and me are slaughtered on a Sunday morning while preparing to go on shift?

I watched him give this same commentary yesterday. It was so heartfelt that my daughter and I were speachless, with tears in our eyes.

Did I hear this morning that the officer shot him
4 times?

 

[panthera]

I watched him give this same commentary yesterday. It was so heartfelt that my daughter and I were speachless, with tears in our eyes.

Did I hear this morning that the officer shot him
4 times?

I heard he'd been shot multiple times, but I can't find the link to the actual number right now. I'm still catching up!

 

[panthera]

Clemmons' Alleged Accomplices Appear In Court

TACOMA, Wash. -- Three of Maurice Clemmons' alleged accomplices made their first court appearances Tuesday hours after Clemmons was shot and killed by a Seattle police officer.


The men are accused of helping Clemmons, who is believed to have gunned down four Lakewood police officers in a Parkland coffee shop Sunday.


Douglas Davis pleaded not guilty to a charge of first-degree rendering criminal assistance. His bail was set at $500,000.


His brother, Eddie Davis, is also charged with first-degree rendering criminal assistance. He pleaded not guilty and his bail was set at $700,000.


Pierce County prosecutors asked a judge to hold a third man, Ricky Hinton, in custody pending further investigation and possible charges. He will be arraigned on Dec. 3.


A fourth man, Darcus Dewayne Allen, has been identified as the alleged getaway driver and has been booked on suspicion of four counts of first-degree rendering criminal assistance, making false statements to police and driving without a valid license, police said.


Allen allegedly drove Clemmons to a spot blocks away from the Forza Coffee shop. Clemmons then walked to the shop, shot the officers and returned to the car, prosecutors said. Full story


Allen, 43, is also a former cellmate of Clemmons. They were both in an Arkansas jail.


Detectives are determining how much knowledge he had about the incident and he could be charged with four counts of first-degree murder, said Detective Ed Troyer at a press conference Tuesday afternoon.


In court documents, Eddie Lee Davis and Douglas Davis said that after the Parkland shooting, Clemmons told them that he had "taken care of business," that he had been shot by police and he had shot some officers.


On the Saturday night before the shooting, Clemmons showed the three men two handguns and "told them he was going to shoot police," according to the documents.


When asked about Clemmons’ motive, Troyer said detectives have no motive other than the fact that he was locked up in jail and the night before the shooting he told people to “watch the news, and that he was going to kill a group of cops.”


He said Clemmons did not name a specific police department and was “mad about being in jail and didn’t like police officers.”


Troyer said those who heard Clemmons say he was going to kill cops the night before the incident did not call police until after it happened.


Police said a .38-caliber revolver found at the Parkland shooting scene is believed to be Clemmons'.


Two shell casings from a .40-caliber Glock that came from Officer Greg Richards’ gun were found on the floor, according to the documents.


Clemmons was shot once, may be twice in the abdomen by a Lakewood police officer, Troyer said. When medics reached Clemmons after the Seattle shooting, he had cotton and gauze stuffed in the wound with duct tape over it, he said.

more at http://www.kirotv.com/news/21776784/detail.html

 

[Texas Mist]

'No amount of justice is going to be enough in this world'


TACOMA, Wash. -- The family members of the four fallen Lakewood police officers faced three men accused of helping the suspected gunman on Tuesday.

The family members watched silently, some shedding tears, as each of the three suspects accused of rendering assistance - brothers Douglas and Eddie Davis, and Rickey Hinton - faced the judge.

more here

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78282492.html


the picture of the family tells its own story

 

[songline]

Hi Songline, yes here's a brief part of the story Texas Mist linked...by the way, this was a great summary of the many holes in the sidewalks that are in need of repair, in our justice system. Of course, it's only a start, but when people ask "where do you begin", I think this article might provide some guidance.

Four days in May set stage for Sunday's tragedy

After his release on May 10, Clemmons' mental state degenerated, with his wife saying he was acting "crazy," according to a Pierce County sheriff's report.

At about 1 a.m. May 11, Clemmons appeared naked in his living room and demanded that two young female relatives — ages 11 and 12 — sit on an ottoman and fondle him, one of the girls later told police. They obeyed, the girl said, because they were "scared." The 11-year-old soon fled, and wasn't seen for days.

But Clemmons continued to assault the 12-year-old until she cried herself to sleep, police records say. Clemmons, still naked, soon woke her and demanded she join him and his wife, Nicole Smith, in their bedroom. Clemmons referred to himself as Jesus and Smith, naked and wrapped in a bedsheet, as Eve. Smith begged her husband to let the girl go, and Clemmons complied, the girl later told police.

More at link...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010392869_shootingjustice01m.html

Thanks...Gesh I got up to May 11 th and I need a brake the man was a loon and may be I remember his name from May.
Wow poor young cops.. and we don't even have enough officers...This loon is in better places. But the officers families are not having a happy holiday
We really have to work on changing some laws. it is getting more and more urgent that people like him cant come out once they have been given 95 years.

 

[SuziQ]

Arkansas officials today provided what they say is a copy of a warrant they say could have kept Maurice Clemmons in a Washington jail, preventing his release six days before he allegedly killed four Lakewood police officers.
But Washington corrections officials dispute that claim, saying it was not valid in Washington and that Arkansas had essentially washed its hands of Clemmons.
Whatever the intent, the result was that Clemmons was freed from jail on Nov. 23, six days before the four slayings.

More at link:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010398993_webwarrant01.html

 

[mysteriew]

I suspect you are right Scandi - seemed like a setup when I read it and now that seems to be true according to this:


http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412791_kelly01.html


Some Seattle police said Tuesday they believed the South Seattle incident may have been an attempted ambush by Clemmons - a man who had told aquaintences he would hurt cops.
Assistant Seattle Police Chief Jim Pugel said Clemmons approached Kelly from behind and had left the stolen car running with the hood up.

I was suspicious of that too. But then I read an article that interviewed the person who reported the car stolen. The guy said they only used the car for short trips because it was unreliable and would stall frequently. If it stalled on Clemmons he could have gotten it restarted then decided to find another more reliable car to steal.

 

[mysteriew]

apparently MC's family has stepped in to "help" him with the police before :furious: :furious: :furious:

and a "professional" heard his threats in early May :banghead:


<snip>



Four days in May set stage for Sunday's tragedy

When the deputy tried going into the house in search of Clemmons, one cousin grabbed the deputy's wrist. A struggle followed, during which Clemmons emerged from the house and punched the deputy in the face. Clemmons also assaulted a second deputy who arrived to help, according to court records.

Ultimately, all three men were arrested and taken to jail. When being booked, Clemmons refused to cooperate and said, "I'll kill all you *****es," according to a psychological evaluation obtained by The News Tribune.

much more here

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010392869_shootingjustice01m.html

That is one of the scariest articles I have seen! IMO one of the problems with justice now is that they mainly seem to only look at the current crime, and don't take the criminal history into consideration. Then when they ignore the psychological reports on the few that get them, it compounds the disaster.