MISTRIAL WA - Four Parkland PD officers shot to death, 29 Nov 2009 *shooter killed, Driver 3rd hung jury*

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  • #781
Tizzle said:
ETA:[/B] I guess they have the right to grieve the loss of a loved one in peace, too. I would probably be heated, too, if my elderly mother, who had just lost her grandson, the son of her deceased child, was being harrassed by the media. Just because we don't love him, doesn't mean they don't have the right to.

BUT...


OH! Poor Mo! Puh-leeze! :rolleyes:
My guess is his narcissistic personality has more to do with his family's coddling of him and failure to instill in him the "You do the crime, you do the time" mentality/morality and less to do with the "pressure" LE was putting on him as a result of crimes HE committed. I have to wonder how diligent his family was in seeking mental treatment for him when he was growing up and forming these behaviors? They want to lay blame with authorities for not getting him the "help" he needed, well what the hell did they do to get him the help?!?!? And by help, I don't mean assisting a cop killer in leading and endangering LE on a huge manhunt for 2 days.
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Actually this is one part that I understand. It isn't easy to force treatment on an adult if they don't agree to it. If he refused then they would have to take it to court, and to be honest even then it isn't an easy process.

The might have had a chance after he started threatening to kill police and children, etc. But maybe didn't know how to obtain the treatment. They would have had to take him to the hospital, convince a doctor, get him admitted for an observational period, and even then if he denied the statements or said that he was just 'kidding' then it is likely he would be released by the end of the 72 hrs. Even the courts are reluctant to force mental health treatment on a person who goes through the court.
 
  • #782
Tizzle said:
BBM

:waitasec:WHOA, WHoa, Whoa.....Back up.

Huckabee clemency here, too? Anyone care to explain to me why a person convicted of double-murder in 1990 is assisting in a quadruple-murder in 2009??

2009
-1990
ONLY 19 years for DOUBLE murder = 8.5 years/life taken
My math has to be wrong. How can that be? 8.5years per life taken?
I mean, REALLY, Huckabee? REALLY?!?! Arkansas?? WHERE is your clemency for Damien, Jesse and Jason?!?! This is outrageous!
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Where do you see 'Huckabee' mentioned in the article? I believe you're jumping the gun here. Nowhere is the governor's office mentioned in what happened to this guy.

fran
 
  • #783
fran said:
Where do you see 'Huckabee' mentioned in the article? I believe you're jumping the gun here. Nowhere is the governor's office mentioned in what happened to this guy.

fran
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LOL, I didn't say I saw Huckabee mentioned in the article. I was asking a question, hence the question mark(?). But it wouldn't surprise me if he does have something to do with Darcus' early release, as well, since he was still Governor of Arkansas when he was released.

Bottom line of that post was...Convicted of double-murder in 1990, out in 2009 to assist in a quadruple-murder. Not right. Something is backwards in Arkansas. I think ALL states should refuse Arkansas parolees after this. Maybe the whole system of states trading parolees should be done away with. Didn't work out so well for PGarrido, either.

ETA: I think I should mention that I didn't have a firm opinion of Huck, either way, before this happened other than he has a funny name that is fun to say. Now, I have an opinion of him AND the Arkansas (anti)Justice system. It isn't a good one and doesn't have anything to do with his "funny" name.JMO
 
  • #784
SuziQ said:
I think that entire bunch are a bunch of narcisists. Lock em all up. I am so sick of people commiting OJ and witness intimidation. They are so damaging to the judicial process.
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Disagree, as it was a family member who lived at the Leschi house that alerted LE to the fact he was going there. I feel rather sorry for them and hope they get the restitution necessary to repair their home:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010410055_nicole03m.html?cmpid=2727

It was about 8 p.m. when they drove to the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct. Shantz went in and left his wife in the car. They knew that it was going to be a long night and hoped that at least one of them would be able to get to their kids, who were staying with Shantz's sons.
"I'm here to talk to someone about Maurice Clemmons," Shantz told the officer at the desk. "I have factual information about his whereabouts."
The officer, who was on the phone, told him to take a seat.
Fifteen minutes later, Shantz told his story, Chrisceda Clemmons was brought in and before long, an army of police officers descended on their neighborhood. There were snipers on roofs, police everywhere. Neighbors couldn't get to their homes. The siege went on all night.
 
  • #785
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TACOMA, Wash. — A suspect accused of helping Maurice Clemmons flee after the gunman massacred four suburban police officers could face trial as an accomplice to murder — a crime that might bring the same penalties as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
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Investigators said Allen, who did time with Clemmons in an Arkansas prison, was the first among a network of friends and relatives who helped Clemmons avoid police during a frantic two-day manhunt that began when Clemmons walked into the Forza coffee house Sunday morning and shot to death four Lakewood police officers.

Prosecutors warned they might charge him with the more serious offense of being an accomplice to aggravated first-degree murder. Such a charge could make him liable to the same penalties as the shooter — life without release, or execution.

"We will prosecute everyone involved in this murder to the greatest extent possible," said Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist.

Court papers filed Wednesday state that Allen eventually acknowledged to police that he drove Clemmons to the scene and noted that there were police cars parked at the coffee shop. He bought a cigar as he waited for him to return and then sped away when Clemmons climbed in the passenger side with a bullet in his abdomen, the papers state.

Allen told investigators that he quickly decided he wanted no part of what Clemmons had done and bailed out of the truck at the first intersection — but investigators said that was a lie, contradicted by other evidence.

more here

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579031,00.html
 
  • #786
Huckabee defends clemency decision for cop shooting suspect

Clemmons moved from Washington to Arkansas as a youngster. There, he had several run-ins with the law, and eventually received the hefty prison sentence for a host of charges -- including robberies, burglaries, thefts and bringing a gun to school.

During a pretrial hearing, he hid a piece of metal in his sock, court documents said. Before the start of another hearing, he grabbed a padlock off his holding cell and threw it at a court bailiff. He missed, and the lock hit his mother, who had come to bring him clothes.

"That's the one word that came to my mind that I remembered about him, was that he was mean," said W.A. McCormick, a deputy prosecuting attorney at the time. "He was shackled in court and deputies placed behind him while he was tried because he was such a security risk."

Clemmons continued to lash out violently behind the prison fences in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

"Over and over again," said Larry Jegley, the prosecutor who put Clemmons away.

"Failure to obey, engaging in sexual activity," he rattled off the charges as he flipped through Clemmons' prison record, "failure to obey, possession or introduction of drugs, firearms."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/03/washington.clemmons.huckabee/
 
  • #787
Wow! That poor family. They were dragged into this mess, through no fault of their own and they did the right thing. It sure would be nice if some of their neighbors volunteered to help them fix up the damage to their home.

IMHO, they're as innocent in this as any of the other victims.

JMHO
fran
 
  • #788
raisincharlie said:
Disagree, as it was a family member who lived at the Leschi house that alerted LE to the fact he was going there. I feel rather sorry for them and hope they get the restitution necessary to repair their home:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010410055_nicole03m.html?cmpid=2727

It was about 8 p.m. when they drove to the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct. Shantz went in and left his wife in the car. They knew that it was going to be a long night and hoped that at least one of them would be able to get to their kids, who were staying with Shantz's sons.
"I'm here to talk to someone about Maurice Clemmons," Shantz told the officer at the desk. "I have factual information about his whereabouts."
The officer, who was on the phone, told him to take a seat.
Fifteen minutes later, Shantz told his story, Chrisceda Clemmons was brought in and before long, an army of police officers descended on their neighborhood. There were snipers on roofs, police everywhere. Neighbors couldn't get to their homes. The siege went on all night.
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Good people. I hope they can heal from this. I hope they can get their home back together for their family before Christmas, it looked like they had just decorated. Its good to know that at least some of his family is interested in setting a good example for their young ones. Bless them.
 
  • #789
Clemmons repeatedly slipped through the cracks

Did Maurice Clemmons, who assassinated four police officers last Sunday, live a crime-free life for the first five years he was in Washington? It's difficult to answer with certainty. But records from police, state corrections and federal law enforcement strongly suggest the answer is no


Last April, a Department of Corrections officer was watching a television news story about a series of armed robberies around Puget Sound when he saw a Pierce County Crime Stoppers sketch that bore a striking similarity to a man he'd once monitored — Maurice Clemmons.

The officer passed on the tip to Clemmons' current supervising officer, who called Crime Stoppers. Yet, somehow, the tip didn't filter down to all the detectives working the cases.

A Crime Stoppers operator told the officer that they had "received too many tips/leads already," according to the second DOC officer's notes. Crime Stoppers "refused to take any more tips from the DOC."


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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010420040_shootingparole04m.html
 
  • #790
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The sister of Maurice Clemmons was taken into custody by police today at the conclusion of the arraignment for two other women charged with helping Clemmons after he killed four Lakewood police officers Sunday.

It was not immediately clear why the sister, Latanya Clemmons, 34, was being held. But earlier this week, she said police had searched her Tacoma home while she was gone, left a warrant on the table and taken cameras, her computer and paperwork. The two women who were arraigned, Letricia Nelson, 52, and Quiana Maylea Williams, 26, were charged today with providing transportation, medical treatment and medical supplies to Maurice Clemmons after he shot and killed four Lakewood police officers Sunday.

Nelson, Clemmons' aunt, was charged in Pierce County Superior Court with six counts of rendering criminal assistance in the first degree and one count of possession of a stolen firearm. The handgun belonged to one of the slain officers, according to charging papers.

Williams, 26, a friend of Clemmons, was charged with five counts of rendering criminal assistance in the first-degree.

more here

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010427808_webcharges04m.html
 
  • #791
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TACOMA — Maurice Clemmons, the man who gunned down four Lakewood police officers Sunday, may have laid plans in advance for a getaway by opening several bank accounts he could access on the run.

Documents filed in Pierce County Superior Court on Thursday show investigators are attempting to follow a money trail as they look for accomplices who helped Clemmons evade police after the shootings.
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"It is believed that Clemmons might have established several accounts prior to the shooting that could later be accessed by Clemmons or his relatives/associates," according to a search-warrant affidavit.

Clemmons may have received a prepaid debit card that one of his female "associates" loaded with several hundred dollars after the shooting, according to the documents.

Credit cards missing

In addition, Clemmons may have stolen credit cards from one of the four Lakewood police officers he killed at a Parkland coffee shop. The wallet of one of the officers was found open and it appeared credit cards were missing, according to a search-warrant affidavit.

"The further this investigation goes on, the more we see how truly evil Maurice was and how shocking it is that anybody would assist him in any way," Pierce County Prosecuting Attorney Mark Lindquist said.


more here

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010420061_shootinghelp04m.html
 
  • #792
40 years sought for aunt accused of hiding gun

Letrecia Nelson might spend the rest of her life in prison for allegedly providing aid to her nephew after he shot four Lakewood police officers to death Sunday at a Parkland coffee shop.

Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist announced in court Friday that he will seek a 40-year sentence for the 52-year-old Nelson, who is charged with six counts of first-degree rendering criminal assistance and one count of possessing a stolen firearm.

Lindquist contends Nelson helped Maurice Clemmons on Sunday – giving him medical aid and money and lying to police and concealing evidence – despite knowing he had shot Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, and officers Tina Griswold, 40, Greg Richards, 42, and Ronald Owens, 37, at the Forza Coffee Co. shop on Steele Street South.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/331/story/981459.html?storylink=omni_popular

Photos of both women at link.
 
  • #793
Tizzle said:
40 years sought for aunt accused of hiding gun

Letrecia Nelson might spend the rest of her life in prison for allegedly providing aid to her nephew after he shot four Lakewood police officers to death Sunday at a Parkland coffee shop.

Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist announced in court Friday that he will seek a 40-year sentence for the 52-year-old Nelson, who is charged with six counts of first-degree rendering criminal assistance and one count of possessing a stolen firearm.

Lindquist contends Nelson helped Maurice Clemmons on Sunday – giving him medical aid and money and lying to police and concealing evidence – despite knowing he had shot Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, and officers Tina Griswold, 40, Greg Richards, 42, and Ronald Owens, 37, at the Forza Coffee Co. shop on Steele Street South.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/331/story/981459.html?storylink=omni_popular

Photos of both women at link.
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Nelson allegedly told her housemate they weren’t going to call police because “family’s more important.”

Almost unbelievable to think all these people thought they were going to get away w/ helping Clemmons.

Hopefully Nelson will have 40 years to think about her priorities behind bars.
 
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It was a classy gesture by Leiweke and the Seahawks' organization.

"One of our privileges we have is the opportunity to support people in need," Leiweke told seattlepi.com. "We will do all we can to support the families and the Lakewood officers during this time. They are now part of our family."

Head coach Jim Mora wore a Lakewood Police Department hat with the four officers' badge numbers on the side throughout Sunday's game.

"Every day police officers in this country go out, just like our military men and women do, and they put their lives on the line so we can live this great lifestyle we live," Mora said afterward. "I had a chance to meet with some of the officers, and meet with some of the families before the game, and they gave us a hat, and we got permission from the league.

"I just felt like it was the right thing to do, to bring attention to those people that every day, uncelebrated -- there's no cheering crowds for them, there's no press conferences -- they just go out there and unselfishly lay it on the line for all of us. I think it's important that we recognize that."


Yep - that's class.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/187400.asp
 
  • #797
A path to murder: The story of Maurice Clemmons

By last spring, Clemmons and Nicole Smith had been married for nearly five years.

In the early morning hours of May 11, the Pierce County Sheriff's Department was summoned once again to the couple's home.

Smith told sheriff's deputies that Clemmons had molested her daughter, now 12.

At least that's what Smith said at first. Soon after, she took it back, refusing to cooperate with investigators, sheriff's reports say.

Smith didn't want deputies to take photos inside the family's house. She didn't want to take her daughter to a children's advocacy center for an exam, the reports say. She relented only after a relative chastised her, saying she needed to "get her priorities straight."

When Smith backtracked and insisted that no rape had occurred, an officer told her she could be arrested for making a false report. Smith replied that she would "take the rap," a sheriff's report says.

Two months later, in July, Clemmons was arrested and charged with second-degree child rape — the eighth felony charge filed against him this year. Because those run-ins appeared to violate his parole in Arkansas, he also was accused of being a fugitive from justice from that state.

If convicted of the rape charge, Clemmons likely was facing a "third strike" and a life sentence.

On the eight felony charges, Clemmons' bail was set at $190,000.

On the fugitive warrant, he was denied any bail at all.

Still, Smith set out to secure his release. She wrote to Stephen Morley, a North Little Rock attorney. Morley, in turn, wrote to Arkansas parole administrators, asking them to lift their state's fugitive warrant. Smith may even have made a personal appeal. One document says she talked with G. David Guntharp, director of the Arkansas Department of Community Correction.

Guntharp has said he does not recall talking with Clemmons' family. But whatever the state's reason, corrections officials in Arkansas rescinded their no-bail warrant on Clemmons — infuriating their Washington counterparts, who were desperate to keep Clemmons behind bars.

With her husband's release now possible, Smith put up the family's home as collateral to secure a $190,000 bond.

Clemmons was released from the Pierce County Jail on Nov. 23.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010436039_clemmonsprofile06m.html
 
  • #798
Dangit!!! Yet another alleged mother who knew her child was raped, yet did everything possible to stay with the man who did it!

Here is my take on that last article. It isn't too flattering I'm afraid.

His family talked about the injustice of his being sentenced to a total of 108 years in prison. They don't deny his crimes, just that the sentence was too long. And that may have been an injustice, I don't know and the point is really moot right now. Because he didn't serve 108 years. Despite the sentence, despite the prison infractions he got out in 11 years. He wanted to move to Washington for a fresh start. Washington approved it. So for all the injustice the family is concerned about, there looks to be an even greater amount of people and places who bent over backwards to help him!

He moves to Washington and starts buying property. To me it looks like he was buying over and above what his visible earnings were. Perhaps that is why he is suspected in other financial and drug crimes. Yet to his family he was an entrepreneur, he was successful. He wasn't charged or officially accused of those crimes though.

Then he begins committing crimes against his own family. The family doesn't deny the crimes. But that was excused as his being ill. But it looks like that was only a sudden onset, short term illness as the more recent info doesn't show him as being ill. It appears to only have been pertinent during the time that he was accused of raping his stepdaughter.

It does appear that some of his family has tried to do right. And I hope and pray that no one targets them, because they could not help what their relative has done. But because of the shame and embarrassment of what Clemmons and others in the family have done they do feel they are being tarred with the same brush. For them it has to be difficult.

IMO
 
  • #799
Does anyone know if any of the local tv station websites will cover the memorial service live online?
 
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