GUILTY WA - Ingrid Lyne, 40, Seattle, 8 April 2016 #2

[CARIIS]

You gotta see this! Wanted to refresh myself on behavior under crack. Find link. Click. Page opens. It looks like a wonderful Bed and Bath Beyond. Like a healh food place! - then I caught on. No, I am not have halllucations - but thank you for your concern!

Crack:

include depression, isolation, defensiveness and paranoia. The person’s moods may swing wildly and they may manifest a false sense of confidence and power. There may be hallucinations and confusion. The person may think there are bugs crawling on his skin. They may pick and scratch at their skin. They will probably have trouble concentrating. .

one of the major effects of crack cocaine is rapid development of addiction. Cocaine causes the strongest mental dependency of any drug. This dependency can occur within just days of starting to use crack cocaine.

Binge use of crack cocaine can result in a psychotic, over-stimulated state accompanied by paranoia and compulsive behavior. At the end of the binge, the person will normally crash, (literly in Johns case!) suffering exhaustion, agitation, depression and intense cravings.

can suffer hallucinations and convulsions. (is this how the sidewalk bed happened?)

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/signs-symptoms-crack-use.html

 

[CARIIS]

Awesome post! Ty

first i'd like to give a shout out to ingrid for being an amazing person to her family, especially her daughters. Her ex attempted to drop the kids off by ten and when she wasn't there- red flag went up. Immediately called the mother to come check with key. She went inside and immediately knew something was wrong. Since ingrid was amazing and wouldn't leave her kids hanging- the internet exploded with be on the lookout- something is wrong. Within minutes, friends in different countries knew and started sending messages. This doesn't happen for someone who is suspect or hasn't shown a consistent life. A person close to me who knows ingrid immediately thought the worst because they knew ingrid and her rigidity towards her life and the lives of her children, family and friends. It just plain wasn't her to be caught up with someone so out of touch.
For this, i believe that charlton was never at her house with her knowledge. I think this was the first time she hung out with him and when 'she acted weird' after the baseball game that is when he got into it with her- probably as she was trying to end the night and get into her car to leave. They fought and then the rest happened. Since she lived at the same house for 13 years the information was on her license or he knew where she lived through his stalking.
Either she was already dead in the car or knocked out. He took her back to the house and finished his work.
I still believe he has some sort of psycho-erotic fantasy about one of his family members and targets females that look like that family member. There was a post from someone that talked about another dating site that he was corresponding with another female that looked oddly similar to ingrid.
I have heard personal accounts of the life that ingrid led and i am more convinced that she was taken in seattle. She never would of taken this guy home. He is saying that he has been to her house so he can justify why his prints and dna are there.
As for the thinking that this was some moment of rage, uhhhhh he used a saw to chop her up.
Rest in peace dear ingrid and know that your family has the support of many millions of advocates for the strong and loving life that you led.

 

[birpu]

You gotta see this! Wanted to refresh myself on behavior under crack. Find link. Click. Page opens. It looks like a wonderful Bed and Bath Beyond. Like a healh food place! - then I caught on. No, I am not have halllucations - but thank you for your concern!

Crack:

include depression, isolation, defensiveness and paranoia. The person’s moods may swing wildly and they may manifest a false sense of confidence and power. There may be hallucinations and confusion. The person may think there are bugs crawling on his skin. They may pick and scratch at their skin. They will probably have trouble concentrating. .

one of the major effects of crack cocaine is rapid development of addiction. Cocaine causes the strongest mental dependency of any drug. This dependency can occur within just days of starting to use crack cocaine.

Binge use of crack cocaine can result in a psychotic, over-stimulated state accompanied by paranoia and compulsive behavior. At the end of the binge, the person will normally crash, (literly in Johns case!) suffering exhaustion, agitation, depression and intense cravings.

can suffer hallucinations and convulsions. (is this how the sidewalk bed happened?)

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/signs-symptoms-crack-use.html

So does LE do a drug test on people when they are arrested? I don't know the answer to this. Would they do one if he claimed a blackout?

 

[georgiagirl64]

I agree about not believing everything in the news. I thought I read that her neighbor had seen the drifter/grifter at her house before. Does anyone else recall that? Heck, I saw some news station in the frenzy of it all interviewing an unkempt woman , who said that JC lived with six guys in a house next to her. She went on to say, she saw him there with his two daughters, and on Friday night he had been at that house at a party. Needless to say, I have never , since that interview, seen or read of any of this again.

EDTA: I'm really tired, so only half here. I just opened the link. So a garbage truck was involved in finding the remains. I see. Did the operator notice a bad smell? How were they discovered?

^^^^This!! I recall reading this too! Ive been unsuccessful at finding it again, now I know in not crazy!

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[Seatowner]

I work with a lot of hospital and medical research companies. Yesterday I was speaking with a nurse from Swedish (where Ingrid worked) and she told me that Ingrid was an OBGYN high risk nurse.

This hit home for me since we are a little over 4 months pregnant and have been seeing the neonatal specialists at Swedish due to a very difficult pregnancy/high risk.

She could have been our nurse when we deliver, and that just hit me pretty hard. Every single person we have met in that division has been so kind and helpful.

The nurse I spoke with said they are all a tight family and it hit pretty hard because Ingrid was so smart and great at her job.

She saved babies.


This guy needs to never see freedom again.


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[Beesknees]

fftopic:
Great post!

Dean Koonze "From The Corner of His Eye",actually takes you inside the psychotic antagonists egomanical thoughts about himself. Koonze book has never left me;I shutter when I think of John Charlton cloaking himself in a benign & appealing wrapping all the while stalking innocents like Ingrid.


Oh,back to my point about the Dean Koonze book;I got chills when I read the the palpable enjoyment of the antagonist when he drops the mask & you experience the victims horror & surprise! His victim's look of shock is as close a description as you will get of peering into the actual face of the devil.



He prides himself "in not being ordinary."

Thanks to all who keep this fast moving thread updated.

:cow:

Thank you for the answer. Was reading on Wikipedia about Dean Koontz and his book 'From the Corner of His Eye'.
Had never heard about this writer before but he must be good in the crime theme. This is the characters nightmares are made :gasp:

 

[MzOpinion8d]

There is no way that this young woman would intentionally get involved with someone she knew to be a career criminal, alcoholic, homeless, drug abusing, drifter with psychological disorders. There is nothing in it for her.

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You might be surprised how many women get involved with men who have issues thinking they can "fix" them. It doesn't sound like Ingrid was one of those women, but it happens. They like the drama somehow.

 

[CARIIS]

IShe mentioned that he would get violent when intoxicated and had put his hands on her once- wonder how in the world that relationship even lasted 6 months.


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But my dear.........................just speculating here ....he always had crack.................and someone to do it with. A ha......that is why after breaking up you hang out 2x per week ( becasue he knows how to garden -( pls I did not see a stunning garden around her building!) with someone that has the capacity to chop you up.......................

ya know what else; we have never heard anyone in her life say "yeh we met him one time - he was awesome" . All we have heard is him saying "dating" any other mention was only about on-line. I just do not think she would wanna have sex with him. I vote first face to face and she was "trapped" with him casue of car arragnement

 

[ANZAC]

So does LE do a drug test on people when they are arrested? I don't know the answer to this. Would they do one if he claimed a blackout?

As usual the answer is "it depends". If he wasn't operating a motor vehicle, less likely. Also he was arrested almost 2 days (IIRC) after the alleged offense, so not sure how much bearing it would have on the case (either prosecution or defense).

Also, to those who think he might be a serial killer -- while it is possible he has killed before (most likely out of anger, not for a thrill), he made little effort to hide the body well, so if he killed before it was just luck that he wasn't caught.

 

[Glammie]

You might be surprised how many women get involved with men who have issues thinking they can "fix" them. It doesn't sound like Ingrid was one of those women, but it happens. They like the drama somehow.

I was one of those women for 15 years but it was NOT because I liked the drama. By the time I had been manipulated and physically and mentally abused so many times it was too late to see that he was a narcissist and that it was not me who was the one with the issue. I enabled his behavior, I actually believed that I was the problem and the one who was making him sick. I am a highly educated and independent woman but guys like that pray on woman just like me. When I found out he was suffering from Bipolar disorder and was an addict and alcoholic I really thought I could save him. One can never save an addict, they have to want to save themselves. I did help by divorcing him and taking our now 13 year old son, it made him look at himself but he is still an addict. He is 46 and has been using in one form or the other since he was 10. Yes 10! I didn't believe any woman gets involved with a man with the intention of "fixing" them. I think they hide the problem so well that sometimes it is years before they even know there is something that needs to be fixed and by that time it's too late to get out.

 

[CARIIS]

Shoot, my grey house comes back............... Is this the ex, or where he had 6 roomates?? So is the stuff the ex let him story there , or did he live there. Is this the shelter?

One of John Charlton's roommates said Tuesday that he was shocked to hear that the 37-year-old had been arrested as a suspect in the gruesome murder of Ingrid Lyne, a Renton mother of three. He said he believed Charlton was a nice guy.Neighbors said that police served a search warrant on a gray townhouse Monday in the Eastgate Highlands community in Lake Stevens and removed several boxes and bags filled with evidenceht.



http://q13fox.com/2016/04/12/murder-suspect-has-violent-criminal-history/

 

[birpu]

As usual the answer is "it depends". If he wasn't operating a motor vehicle, less likely. Also he was arrested almost 2 days (IIRC) after the alleged offense, so not sure how much bearing it would have on the case (either prosecution or defense).

Also, to those who think he might be a serial killer -- while it is possible he has killed before (most likely out of anger, not for a thrill), he made little effort to hide the body well, so if he killed before it was just luck that he wasn't caught.

That could be right of course.

I think luck would have played a part here too if her remains hadn't been found. I'm sort of sticking around this thread because of the possible serial killer angle. I think there is something to that. It's the dismemberment. He cleaned up enough that her mother and ex husband didn't notice anything murder-like in the house. Forensics had to find that later. But his DNA there and in the car could be explained because of the date. Unless of course it's with the remains. And if those remains had gone to the landfill, would he be charged right now? I really wonder.

 

[CARIIS]

As usual the answer is "it depends". If he wasn't operating a motor vehicle, less likely. Also he was arrested almost 2 days (IIRC) after the alleged offense, so not sure how much bearing it would have on the case (either prosecution or defense).

Also, to those who think he might be a serial killer -- while it is possible he has killed before (most likely out of anger, not for a thrill), he made little effort to hide the body well, so if he killed before it was just luck that he wasn't caught.

crack can be detected in the body for a very long time, depending on the testing method used. While crack is absorbed by the body very quickly, very small levels of the drug can linger in bodily fluids or hair for days, sometimes even weeks. Hair samples are the most accurate way to judge past coke use, months after the suspected use of the drug.

It will be interesting if they ran it but then a def attorney could claim that his angel only did it because of the drug....

http://drug.addictionblog.org/how-long-does-crack-stay-in-your-system/

 

[Fiddlehead]

FBI Thinks it could have been planned can't release details possible serial killer.

http://www.people.com/article/seattle-dismemberd-mom-murder-suspect-possible-serial-killer

This serial killer possibility is what led me to see what WS folks had to say about this case, if there were any unsolved cases in the PNW that were in any way similar to Ingrid's. But as far as I can tell, there aren't. Right? I know of several unsolved homicides in the Seattle area of women but none of them are lining up with the circumstances here.

 

[barcode]

Shoot, my grey house comes back............... Is this the ex, or where he had 6 roomates?? So is the stuff the ex let him story there , or did he live there. Is this the shelter?

One of John Charlton's roommates said Tuesday that he was shocked to hear that the 37-year-old had been arrested as a suspect in the gruesome murder of Ingrid Lyne, a Renton mother of three. He said he believed Charlton was a nice guy.Neighbors said that police served a search warrant on a gray townhouse Monday in the Eastgate Highlands community in Lake Stevens and removed several boxes and bags filled with evidenceht.



http://q13fox.com/2016/04/12/murder-suspect-has-violent-criminal-history/

Due to the wording, it would almost have to be the halfway house.

 

[birpu]

.....................

Also, to those who think he might be a serial killer -- while it is possible he has killed before (most likely out of anger, not for a thrill), he made little effort to hide the body well, so if he killed before it was just luck that he wasn't caught.

I wonder if anybody took the tub drain apart in the Nancy Moyer case.

"Moyer, 36 at the time, was last seen on March 6, 2009. Two days later, her husband, from whom she was separated, arrived at her home to drop off their two daughters. He found the front door of her home ajar, the TV on and half a glass of red wine sitting on a table in the living room. Her car was parked in the driveway and her purse with her credit cards, keys and wallet were in the house."

http://www.chronline.com/crime/six-...cle_8cb8ec6a-c486-11e4-8dd4-f34b6bc6692c.html

 

[CARIIS]

Due to the wording, it would almost have to be the halfway house.

Yeh! Go Fund is at 200K!


Oh, so it was a halfway house not a homeless shelter that he stayed in. It matters cause a halfway house typically has funding, so was it for mental, drug abuse, it might tell us more about him. Boy I think someone might have some explaining to do as to why no invol commit (it is a hassle, a real hassle) before one of "our guys" leaves for a night out and ......

Sober Housing locations in Seattle, WA below. The transitional houses we list offer not only support housing for those needing homes, but they also provide supportive services that will enable you to live more independently. Many are sober, detox, and drug treatment services. Addiction rehabilitation is a big part of these locations. We list full details on these locations

Anyone know zip code he was arrested in , or do any of these look like it to you

http://www.transitionalhousing.org/ci/wa-seattle

http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/seattle-wa.html

 

[Fiddlehead]

That could be right of course.

I think luck would have played a part here too if her remains hadn't been found. I'm sort of sticking around this thread because of the possible serial killer angle. I think there is something to that. It's the dismemberment. He cleaned up enough that her mother and ex husband didn't notice anything murder-like in the house. Forensics had to find that later. But his DNA there and in the car could be explained because of the date. Unless of course it's with the remains. And if those remains had gone to the landfill, would he be charged right now? I really wonder.

I do think he was more careful with evidence than we originally assumed, and perhaps thought he could get away with this. As perhaps he has before.

It's interesting though that he deposited the remains in bins that wouldn't be collected again for a week - that's risky. Most people would discover a bag in their curb bin and think - ok some jerk put his garbage in my bin last night - but would just leave it there until next week's pickup / not do anything about it. Because what are you gonna do?

It may have been total luck that Homeowner #1 actually looked in the bag and discovered the contents of the garbage were human remains. LE said somewhere that the remains were "packaged" and put into bags which may mean they were sealed in ziplocks in such a way that the smell would go undetected for awhile, and maybe even packaged as a disguise to look like something else. If this is the case, I'm definitely thinking this was well-premeditated.

 

[Aleph]

This is so scary... it is so frightning to think that these sub-human beings live amongst us and our children, mix with us and even socialise with us if it is the case!

We are used to see murderers faces that give us the crepes but look at this 'man'! He could be our neighbour next door, our cousin, our shopkeeper, a lawyer, a firefighter, a doctor, a teacher!

Look into his nice smile and his like 'pure' and clear light blue eyes! This face would deceive me completly! The only think I see slightly off are the eyes perhaps a bit too open, but it could be just an expression of surprise or like he was being 'nuts' or kidding when the picture was taken...

I am so sorry for beautiful Ingrid, mother of three lovely girls, nurse, pretty woman whose only 'crime' was to want to socialise, to be friend or to date another person... I dread to think what could he have done to her girls if he had the oportunity.

We have only and only one oportunity to live! How is it possible that some waste it being killers instead of BEING happy while poor others like it can happen to any of us, have life cut by the hands of the former, which is like a 'spell' and a heartbreak forever over a whole family?!

His pupils are pinpricks. Sign of drug abuse.

 

[Fiddlehead]

I wonder if anybody took the tub drain apart in the Nancy Moyer case.

"Moyer, 36 at the time, was last seen on March 6, 2009. Two days later, her husband, from whom she was separated, arrived at her home to drop off their two daughters. He found the front door of her home ajar, the TV on and half a glass of red wine sitting on a table in the living room. Her car was parked in the driveway and her purse with her credit cards, keys and wallet were in the house."

http://www.chronline.com/crime/six-...cle_8cb8ec6a-c486-11e4-8dd4-f34b6bc6692c.html

Wow. I had forgotten about this case.