WA WA - Joseph Pichler, 18, Bremerton, 5 Jan 2006 - Child Actor - #2

[ChatteringBirds]

I really feel for his family. This is such a sad case.

IMO he was depressed, if he was abusing alcohol, etc.

To me it seems like he may have been under the influence, emotional, written the note, and gone out to the bridge in a despondent state, and maybe he did something impulsive. It matches the scene, note, and atypical behavior (the call to his friend).

Or, less likely, maybe he overdosed and someone covered that up. But that's seems far-fetched to me, because why would they bother to stage a suicide, and risk being seen doing that or leaving their DNA behind?

I really hope no one who knew him stole items from his unlocked apartment.

 

[Seattle1]

Joseph David Wolfgang Pichler – The Charley Project

 

[Seattle1]

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Los Cazadores (Taqueria) where his car was located still exists.

 

[Kchy1984]

The thing is… the “note” was a poem about wanting to be a better brother and it was rescinded as being considered a suicide note (if I’m recalling correctly)

I didn’t see that he was abusing alcohol or drugs (source?) - just dabbling in it which isn’t unusual for his age. My understanding was that the friends (who have behaved suspiciously) are the only ones saying he was drunk and crying on the phone

Apologies if I’m totally off base, just sharing my thoughts

 

[Kchy1984]

I really feel for his family. This is such a sad case.

IMO he was depressed, if he was abusing alcohol, etc.

To me it seems like he may have been under the influence, emotional, written the note, and gone out to the bridge in a despondent state, and maybe he did something impulsive. It matches the scene, note, and atypical behavior (the call to his friend).

Or, less likely, maybe he overdosed and someone covered that up. But that's seems far-fetched to me, because why would they bother to stage a suicide, and risk being seen doing that or leaving their DNA behind?

I really hope no one who knew him stole items from his unlocked apartment.

This is definitely a sad possibility.

If the friends are involved, I’d think it has more to do with money (he had a large savings, nice things, expensive magic the gathering cards) or bad blood between them vs covering up an overdose

 

[Seattle1]

Mushrooms...in the car....supposedly...what if...again just speculating...what if these kids didn't do this on the regular and was sold a bag that was NOT legit and actually caused harm....but why not go to the police if something happened? scared they would get in trouble for the shrooms? kinda vibes with cammie saying they wanted to remove something from the car...

Yes he did work at a card/comic shop and that is how he got into these. He is also a big Star Wars buff and has a tattoo of a Star Wars symbol on his arm (I hve no clue what its called- but it is published in the articles Believe posted a while ago.

I vaguely recall reading of this case in 2006 but was not familiar with JP's movie career and did not following the missing person case on WS.

From earlier reports, we know JP had only lived on his own in his first apartment since he turned 18 or for less than a year. I equate this similar to your first year in the dorm where it would be very normal to experiment with alcohol, drugs, etc. IMO, I think the Magic: Gathering Cards irrelevant and became a distraction.

By all accounts, BPD found no probably cause to view this as anything more than an adult who was missing voluntarily but after the vehicle located, started leaning towards suicide.

I think it was very insensitive of BPD not be be transparent with the parents and family on their behavior analysis performed which led them to this conclusion.

Personally, my first question when I heard this was whether or not JP was taking or had recently taken a course of Isotretinoin for his acne. IIRC, this was about the time that studies were coming out about male patients especially taking Accutane and the link to suicide ideation.

IMO, based on where JP's vehicle was located, it does not follow that he would walk at least 30 minutes in early January to the Sound to end his life. That effort presents sufficient opportunity to change your mind!

And the date (Jan 2006) was obviously before ring cameras and surveillance cameras plentiful but I don't think I'd rest without credible assurance that JP did not park his car and leave the lot with another party. I'm not sure BPD was ever able to confirm this was not a possibility where JP left with somebody known and/or unknown to him, and met with foul play. MOO

This case also reminds me of Mukilteo's Tyler Christensen (April 2016).

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[Kchy1984]

This bridge is 10 minutes walking distance from the taqueria.

It is a spot for suicide jumpers, however, because it is not a huge fall most of them survive. A man jumped recently after tying stones to himself and lighting himself on fire - he survived. Some jumpers swim to shore on their own. There are other spots nearby to commit suicide that are more of a guarantee. There are also places to park that are much closer to the bridge.

Nearby theres also:
Lions park & boat launch (15 minute walk from his car), stephens canyon (5 minute walk from his car), Roto Vista Park directly below the bridge on the other side.

There are a couple neighborhoods surrounding where his car was found. Where did his friends live?

 

[Seattle1]

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This bridge is 10 minutes walking distance from the taqueria.

It is a spot for suicide jumpers, however, because it is not a huge fall most of them survive. A man jumped recently after tying stones to himself and lighting himself on fire - he survived. Some jumpers swim to shore on their own. There are other spots nearby to commit suicide that are more of a guarantee. There are also places to park that are much closer to the bridge.

Nearby theres also:
Lions park & boat launch (15 minute walk from his car), stephens canyon (5 minute walk from his car), Roto Vista Park directly below the bridge on the other side.

There are a couple neighborhoods surrounding where his car was found. Where did his friends live?

I this the 303 bridge (Warren Ave) to the ferry terminal or Manette Bridge? I don't think of these as suicide bridges either. Now the High Steel Bridge (Skokomish River) is another story.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Kchy1984]

I this the 303 bridge (Warren Ave) to the ferry terminal or Manette Bridge? I don't think of these as suicide bridges either. Now the High Steel Bridge (Skokomish River) is another story.

Warren. Both Manette & Warren can lead to the ferry. It would be an odd place to walk from though if that’s your goal. High Steel, Tacoma Narrows, Agate Passage… lot of other bridges to choose from unless it’s not very planned out

 

[emem1138]

Bumping for Joseph.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

Such a sad case like what appears to me a murder by some of so-called friends, probably one of the reasons was to steal the rare and expensive playing cards. It seems the investigation was conducted horribly.

Except for Justin, none of the "friends" were interviewed, especially Kelly, who expressed her reluctance to attend the meeting because she felt that the friends were planning something and that they sounded and acted suspiciously and sketchy, how come the police didn't question her about this statement? I understand that the car and the apartment weren't really tested either. How Cammie knew where the abandoned car was before the family and the police did?

I believe that Joseph was murdered at that meeting and taken in his car, his body was hidden and then the car was taken to the place where it was found. It makes me sick and very sad to know that those friends continued their lives as if nothing had happened when they were pretty sure they would never get caught, when at the same time, Joseph's family is grief-stricken and has neither closure nor justice, and a young man's life was taken from him by a terrible act. I think some of the friends participated in the murder, some didn't participate but knew what happened.

This is a case that can be solved and could have been solved even near the time of Joseph disappearance. My heart with Joseph and Joseph's family, I pray and hope that one day the family will have closure and justice.