Found Deceased WA - Kassanndra Cantrell, 33, pregnant, possibly went shopping, Parkland, 25 Aug 2020

[otto]

You are correct that LE has not told the public if they have confirmed her pregnancy since that briefing on 9/1(? About a week after she went missing). There have been no updates or briefings since that briefing from LE except the POI update the next day. However her family and friends all say she was pregnant. Based on their detailed accounts of multiple appointments and whatnot it should be easy to prove. I think it’s just that the LE wanted to clarify that they hadn’t confirmed it yet so LE should not be cited as the source for that info. JMO. Also in case you had not found this yet, the keys were in her abandoned car.

It should be easy enough to confirm with her doctor whether she was pregnant, so I'm curious why police have said that it is not confirmed. It leaves me with the impression that although she told people she was pregnant, police cannot find information that confirms this. That adds another twist to the story, particularly if she was not pregnant.

Keys in the car is not a good sign either - seems abandoned rather than parked.

 

[swanniee11]

It should be easy enough to confirm with her doctor whether she was pregnant, so I'm curious why police have said that it is not confirmed. It leaves me with the impression that although she told people she was pregnant, police cannot find information that confirms this. That adds another twist to the story, particularly if she was not pregnant.

Keys in the car is not a good sign either - seems abandoned rather than parked.

Do you think it could be because of HIPAA, the Dr can't give out that info since she has not been declared deceased?

 

[CuriousBystander]

It should be easy enough to confirm with her doctor whether she was pregnant, so I'm curious why police have said that it is not confirmed. It leaves me with the impression that although she told people she was pregnant, police cannot find information that confirms this. That adds another twist to the story, particularly if she was not pregnant.

Keys in the car is not a good sign either - seems abandoned rather than parked.

In my opinion, I think she is most assuredly pregnant and is in the middle of a love triangle with her former/current boyfriend and his other girlfriend. This provides a motive where otherwise there is not much of one it would appear. The silence that we are seeing from LE relates to everything from the possible pregnancy to you name it....they are just not talking at all about anything. My hope is that their silence means that they have most or all of the information that they need.

 

[Bravo]

There also could be several people involved in some capacity.

 

[Moonbeam456]

It should be easy enough to confirm with her doctor whether she was pregnant, so I'm curious why police have said that it is not confirmed. It leaves me with the impression that although she told people she was pregnant, police cannot find information that confirms this. That adds another twist to the story, particularly if she was not pregnant.

Keys in the car is not a good sign either - seems abandoned rather than parked.

Law enforcement can get around HIPPA if they have a court order and believe the person may have been a victim of crime. Her doctor doesn’t have to disclose her full medical record, just parts that may pertain to their investigation. In this case, I would assume that they could get her doctor to verify her pregnancy as it may have something to do with her disappearance. However, I haven't heard whether her pregnancy test was from a doctor or if she just took a home pregnancy test. If it was a home test her doctor may not be able to confirm her pregnancy because he/she hadn't seen Kassandra yet.

 

[spiritseeker31]

True. But it also means the BD knows the area pretty well, that goes for other venues and parks etc.

BD is the manager. I assume a manager would be key holding. The managers name was removed nearly week ago. I forget which day I noticed it.

 

[Seattle1]

It should be easy enough to confirm with her doctor whether she was pregnant, so I'm curious why police have said that it is not confirmed. It leaves me with the impression that although she told people she was pregnant, police cannot find information that confirms this. That adds another twist to the story, particularly if she was not pregnant.

Keys in the car is not a good sign either - seems abandoned rather than parked.

I think for all intents and purposes here, it's safe to assume that KC was pregnant. Her first ultrasound was scheduled for Aug 26 - day after she went missing. This was an especially important appt for KC because she herself is a twin, and anxious to know if she was carrying twins.

Her mother reported earlier that KC's pregnancy stick was missing and she could not understand why she would take it with her. ( I believe this is when her mother believed that KC had gone to the market).

It seems to me that KC took the positive test symbol with her to meet the BD. I'm not on sm so I'm not aware if BD was aware of the pregnancy, the first time meet to tell him, or if KC told him and he requested proof and she took test with her to show him.

All I know for certain is KC has not been seen since she left her family home around 8:30 on Aug 25, her cell phone last pinged off a tower near Vashon Island around 1:30 pm, and her car found abandoned on Aug 28 near the Tacoma Dome with keys inside.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Point Defiance Park - Metro Parks Tacoma

At the link above, it gives you a good idea of the vastness of Pt Defiance Park and if you scroll halfway down the page to the rentals -- you can see areas of the park that BD may have been familiar with from prior experience. One experienced with the rental venues would know the parking area, restrooms, things important to guests attending a function here.

Pt Defiance Park was one of the first areas searched by LE. It's believed that KC's phone most likely pinged the Vashon Island cell tower from the park. The Island is only a few miles across Puget Sound.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Her mother reported earlier that KC's pregnancy stick was missing and she could not understand why she would take it with her.

I must have missed K's mom saying anything about a pregnancy stick. Do you happen to have a link? tia...

 

[Namaste333]

I must have missed K's mom saying anything about a pregnancy stick. Do you happen to have a link? tia...

It wasn't the pregnancy stick, it is the visit summary and paperwork from the doctor's appointment confirming pregnancy.

 

[Dnp2be]

The income standards for SNAP are the same in all 48 continguous states and the District of Columbia, and a fetus is not counted as an individual with regard to the assistance group size for SNAP. Alaska, Hawaii, and Guam have higher income standards.

It’s been a long time since I was pregnant so I prob remember things incorrectly. But I do remember providing proof of pregnancy but possibly that was for Medicaid at the time. However I had a friend tell me they denied her Medicaid all together because she wasn’t pregnant/doesn’t have children. I don’t know if that was actually the case or if she inferred what they said incorrectly. Yet another friend I know said my state denied him Medicaid but when he applied to the next state over, he qualified and does receive it and he states he gets more in snap benefits than what he used to get over here. However, As I said, I’m no expert on how that all works and my bad for providing inaccurate info. Anyway back on topic, I very much hope there’s some update soon. I feel terrible for her loved ones and it makes me angry that a person can be so selfish and ignorant that injuring a mother to be is the best option for their inability to accept responsibility for their own actions. So many other ways to handle such a situation.

 

[justaparent]

Do you think it could be because of HIPAA, the Dr can't give out that info since she has not been declared deceased?

I don’t expect to hear anything from her doctors. No matter what the mother said about a piece of paper we don’t really know if she took a home test or went to a clinic. But a medical professional is not going to release that information to us and it probably wasn’t super easy for them to release it to law-enforcement.

So, in my opinion, there is still a? As to whether she was pregnant. I’m sure that’s not a popular opinion.

MOO

 

[justaparent]

I’ll be the unpopular poster here and play devils’s advocate. We have no idea if there was a third person involved if she was truly pregnant. I know the statistics and I know it was likely someone she had a relationship with who was involved in the disappearance but we certainly don’t know that for a fact. Sure, they did a search warrant on the supposed baby daddy’s home and were searching other areas. But there could’ve been another guy who had no interest in having a baby.

As I said, devil’ advocate because I think it’s important to keep open up minds about all of this since we really have no facts other than where her car was parked and one neighbor who thought he had seen KC at the house (no clarification as to when) but never saw other residents.

It strikes me as odd that he remember seeing her one time but never saw other occupants coming or leaving the home, when that had to be a common occurrence.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 50844]

@justaparent I too will stand up and say I’m not sure this isn’t a pregnancy spoof gone wrong. I have a real problem with LE not confirming that detail. JMO.

 

[Bravo]

In all fairness LE doesn't have to tell us anything.

 

[otto]

@justaparent I too will stand up and say I’m not sure this isn’t a pregnancy spoof gone wrong. I have a real problem with LE not confirming that detail. JMO.

I've never seen a pregnant woman disappearance where investigators state that the pregnancy cannot be confirmed. For me, that presents two possibilities: she was pregnant and the doctor considers it confidential, or she was not pregnant and wanted someone to believe that she was.

 

[bestill]

I've never seen a pregnant woman disappearance where investigators state that the pregnancy cannot be confirmed. For me, that presents two possibilities: she was pregnant and the doctor considers it confidential, or she was not pregnant and wanted someone to believe that she was.

LE stating that flummoxed her mother too, imo. I think it came from the "baby daddy" denying he was having a sexual relationship with her and other reasons, which we can't say because of WS tos.

 

[Kateinfl]

I believe she was pregnant because the news came from her mother. I doubt if she were close to her mother. That she would lie to her. Her mother would know. How would she explain that. She lived at home with her mom. Her mom would figure it out

 

[Kateinfl]

Also her mother said the stick test was missing. Soonshe must have seen the test when her daughter took it, or how would she know it was missing

 

[MoeInVA]

I am strongly in the camp that she was expecting as well.
I suspect LE just did not get a court order for the info or whatever is needed for HIPAA until around the time of the search warrant and it had not been prioritized in those first days. But it’s certainly possible I am wrong. I suspect as soon as they got the order they were able to verify.

But whether or not she was actually pregnant doesnt seem as urgent/important to locating her as other things (last seen, phone pings, communications via email, messenger, text, phone, finding her car, ... even the fact that she told people she was pregnant and told friends who the father was seems more important to the investigation than whether or not she actually was IMO). So it may have just been prioritizing.

Also, it may have been strategic. To try to get certain people relaxed enough to talk. I am skeptical of that, because it seemed to come up organically in the briefing.

It seems much more likely to me that LE just wanted to clarify the family is the source on that, not LE. Kind of like Suzanne Morphew and the bike ride, these kinds of things can spread like wild fire and get confused and it’s best to be clear on what LE confirmed versus family reported. But if it was a strategic move by LE, it was convincingly played off. IMO