WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #10

[momtective]

OMG I'm so sorry NMK

 

[boondock]

I am sorry NMK, that is heart wrenching.

 

[JenniferO]

NMK, I have no words.
I'm so very sorry this happened to your step daughter, your family, you. I can only imagine the anger you must feel.
I hope something is done to this individual.
Laws need to be changed to protect the innocent. Enough protecting the guilty.. it's getting out of hand.

 

[TxBecca]

Hello everyone.

O/T: My 9 year old stepdaughter was raped by a convicted sex offender in Poplar Bluffs MO, last night. The reason that he was able to get close to her was that although he was convicted of similar crimes in the past, he was not required to register until his 18th birthday and he's only 17. So he basically got a free pass. Thank you MO lawmakers for making this possible.
It never ends.

I am so sorry, NMK.

I can't even fathom why they would allow him to wait until his 18th birthday to register! :behindbar He did this in the past UNDER 18. Did they think he would wait until he registered to try anything again? :furious:

 

[not_my_kids]

I'm still in shock to a certain extent.

And in typical form, she wasn't comfortable enough to tell her mother, so she called me first. I had to call her mother and ask her if she was aware of what was going on in her own home. And then the cops and the hospital. I stayed on the phone with her as long as I could. And now comes the custody battle, she wants to come home to me and her dad.

Okay, I swear I am going to try to get back on topic...

 

[not_my_kids]

In the interest of getting back on topic, I saw in some of the newspaper articles about Kylie Ellis that after she disappeared, there were sightings in Rainier.
Are there any SO's or suspicious persons that might have moved from Rainier closer to McCleary or that had a legitimate reason for being in both places?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hello everyone.

O/T: My 9 year old stepdaughter was raped by a convicted sex offender in Poplar Bluffs MO, last night. The reason that he was able to get close to her was that although he was convicted of similar crimes in the past, he was not required to register until his 18th birthday and he's only 17. So he basically got a free pass. Thank you MO lawmakers for making this possible.
It never ends.

Oh, NMK, I am so very sorry. I know there is nothing we can say to make this any better for her or your family. Just know we are here for you and for her so if there is anything we can do...ask.

Bless her heart. I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers.

Feel free to start a thread in the Crime section and we can follow his case closely. At 17, he should be charged as an adult for this horrendous crime. Maybe the public can put pressure on the lawmakers to prevent this in the future in MO.

 

[distracted]

Hello everyone.

O/T: My 9 year old stepdaughter was raped by a convicted sex offender in Poplar Bluffs MO, last night. The reason that he was able to get close to her was that although he was convicted of similar crimes in the past, he was not required to register until his 18th birthday and he's only 17. So he basically got a free pass. Thank you MO lawmakers for making this possible.
It never ends.

I know you're trying to get back on topic but I just have to tell you how sorry I am that this happened. You'll all be in my prayers.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is a question for us to dig up an answer to in this case:

When Lindsey went missing, did the child support payments stop from her father to MB? Is he required to continue the payments legally even if she is missing? How long will he be required to continue them if so? Will they have to declare her legally dead in court before he is relieved of those payments in the future?

 

[not_my_kids]

I know you're trying to get back on topic but I just have to tell you how sorry I am that this happened. You'll all be in my prayers.

I put her up on the prayer thread in the jury room, figures she needs all the help she can get right now. I just wish that her father and I weren't so far away.
Her father let her mother take her to MO because we thought it would be a step up for them...better schools, better programs for her special needs siblings, away from all the drama...we should have just kept her here.

 

[not_my_kids]

Here is a question for us to dig up an answer to in this case:

When Lindsey went missing, did the child support payments stop from her father to MB? Is he required to continue the payments legally even if she is missing? How long will he be required to continue them if so? Will they have to declare her legally dead in court before he is relieved of those payments in the future?

I think it would have to go before a judge. The only law that I know of that seems to address it, at least here in MI, is that if the child is in the care of the paying parent for more than 7 days, they do not owe child support for the period of time that they have the child. I think in missing kids cases the judge would likely suspend the payments, since the payments are meant to go to the parent that has the child in the home. If neither parent has the child and the child is not in state care, then there is no one to pay the money to.

 

[not_my_kids]

Oh, NMK, I am so very sorry. I know there is nothing we can say to make this any better for her or your family. Just know we are here for you and for her so if there is anything we can do...ask.

Bless her heart. I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers.

Feel free to start a thread in the Crime section and we can follow his case closely. At 17, he should be charged as an adult for this horrendous crime. Maybe the public can put pressure on the lawmakers to prevent this in the future in MO.

I'll start her thread as soon as it hits the media. In a way, we are praying that it doesn't, but given the circumsances, I am sure it will.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Have we found the custody agreement between Lindsey's parents online yet? I am most interested in when he has to stop paying support for her.

When does a judge decide to change the order of support? How long would she have to be gone for them to drop or suspend it? Since Lindsey's mother has to be able to provide a home for her upon her possible return and this money was put in place to help do so...couldn't this be an issue?

 

[seventeenseconds]

Thanks Seventeenseconds. When you say "he" are you referring to MH? Any idea on where this house is located?

i will try and get an address for MH...i know its on a corner...ill see what i can do...

 

[not_my_kids]

Have we found the custody agreement between Lindsey's parents online yet? I am most interested in when he has to stop paying support for her.

When does a judge decide to change the order of support? How long would she have to be gone for them to drop or suspend it? Since Lindsey's mother has to be able to provide a home for her upon her possible return and this money was put in place to help do so...couldn't this be an issue?

As far as I know, either parent can petition the judge to change support at just about any time.

ETA: That may change based on whether support is paid parent to parent or if it is paid through Friend of the Court.

 

[LadyBugSTL]

Hello everyone.

O/T: My 9 year old stepdaughter was raped by a convicted sex offender in Poplar Bluffs MO, last night. The reason that he was able to get close to her was that although he was convicted of similar crimes in the past, he was not required to register until his 18th birthday and he's only 17. So he basically got a free pass. Thank you MO lawmakers for making this possible.
It never ends.

Oh My God!!! NMK! Oh, that poor baby! I am so very sorry! I know there are no words that can help, but if there is anything at all that I can do for you (I'm in MO) - *please *please let me know!!!!!! I will send prayers for all of you!!!

(Many of Missouri's laws are "dated"and "backwards" - and this has been a source of more than a few jokes - however - there are laws that {{{{should *not be}}}}} and this is one of them!!!! :furious: Believe you me, I'm starting a letter writing campaign *tonight!!!!!!! :furious:

 

[seventeenseconds]

I'll start her thread as soon as it hits the media. In a way, we are praying that it doesn't, but given the circumsances, I am sure it will.

omg...i am so sorry to hear about your daughter...my daughter was raped 4 years ago but she was 21 when it happened...i can't even imagine...you will all be in my prayers...btw...i also had a brother who comitted suicide oh about 28 years ago...that sucked too..i am so sorry...

 

[LadyBugSTL]

Wouldn't that girl's parents have known if she was being bullied at school or have seen signs the girl was having deep depression? She didn't just go throw herself off a bridge without some prior red flags. It is too easy for LE to sweep it under the rug as a suicide. (This is what I believe happened in many cases involving the River killings. Accidental drownings as the MOD and COD are listed and do not take into account other things which happened prior to their deaths.)

I think LE should be looking in that same area for Lindsey in case they are wrong and the girl was actually murdered.

Any news today on Lindsey?

I agree - I would think there would have been some flags raised somewhere that someone would have noticed, if not her parents, then someone at school, a friend, or someone noticing a lack of friends......*something.....

I think no stone should be left unturned during the course of an investigation (Lindsey's included) and all possibilities at least considered......

.......and no - I've been checking intermittently and have not come across any new news regarding Lindsey today......:frown:

 

[LadyBugSTL]

I'm still in shock to a certain extent.

And in typical form, she wasn't comfortable enough to tell her mother, so she called me first. I had to call her mother and ask her if she was aware of what was going on in her own home. And then the cops and the hospital. I stayed on the phone with her as long as I could. And now comes the custody battle, she wants to come home to me and her dad.

Okay, I swear I am going to try to get back on topic...

It sounds to me like she is one very lucky little girl to have *you in her life. Someone she obviously loves and trusts enough to talk to. There are no "guidebooks" that tell us how to handle events such as this, but it sounds to me like you did everything exactly right, which is exactly what I would expect from the "you" I've come to know "here". You are one very special person! :blowkiss:

OK - back to topic for me too!

 

[JenniferO]

SS- I don't know the legalities of it.. but if it were me and I was the receiving parent I would put the money into the fund that has been set up for Lindsey (or start another savings just for if and when Lindsey is found and brought home--whether she is alive or not the money will be needed when she comes home. KWIM?)
If I was the paying parent I would feel obligated to continue to pay. I would suggest the money be put away for Lindsey but if MB really needs the money to survive on a day to day basis (she does after all still have J and a home to support) I wouldn't say what she could or couldn't do with the money.