WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #12

[jvk]

It's a creek.

 

[Destiney]

The pic turned out good. Nice work.

 

[JenniferO]

Welcome to WS, Destiney.

 

[mysticrose]

CorallaroC,
(Love your "hat" -very clever!) I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to those posts re: Harry O.'s search for Lindsey, which I would not have seen otherwise. His comments are certainly disturbing:

(The following snip is an e-mail response from Harry Oakes to a poster at another site, who wrote to him to ask about the results of his search for Lindsey. Thanks to Tamikosmom, and apologies for the rip

>>>snip

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From: Harry Oakes ([email protected])
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry<<<snip

I'm confused by this, as Harry O seems to be saying two different things. I suppose both could be true, but...my understanding of search and rescue dogs (admittedly limited) is that each individual dog is trained to search for a specific kind of scent, and that a "tracking"-trained dog, who is given a scent to "track", would not "find" the scent of human remains, nor would a "cadaver dog" locate a scent trail, to track.

I took Harry O.'s "we" to mean Harry and his dog, but perhaps "we" means that there were other "Harrys" with differently trained dogs searching for Lindsey, as well?

If anybody can straighten me out here, I'd appreciate it.
One thing I do know: that e-mail ^ is the first I've heard of either (and both) a death scent being found, or (and) a scent trail 6 miles E. of Beck St.

BBM...
Ok since I have read this little piece of info it has bothered me alot.
Assuming this is for real I need to get my hands on a topo map of McCleary, A scent trail heading east (6 miles) on an ATV or Motorcycle..that tells me alot...

Are there many remote cabins at all up these logging/ Atv roads in McCleary or surrounding area?

We have a cabin that is in the mountains. It sits at 11,000 feet in the middle of nowhere, you have to drive (if your lucky) an old switchback mining road, and then from what we call our staging area you either have to hike in on foot or ride an ATV to get in the rest of the way in to the cabin. You would never know it was there, ever unless you just happened to stumble upon it, it sits right in the middle of the deep forrest.

 

[KONAMOCHA]

I will do some research about cabins in the area and get back to you as soon as I have anything

 

[mysticrose]

I will do some research about cabins in the area and get back to you as soon as I have anything

Thankyou I was trying to do some searching through the ortho parcel search
for the area my computer is not liking it, I'll keep looking as well...

 

[kageykaren]

BBM...
Ok since I have read this little piece of info it has bothered me alot.
Assuming this is for real I need to get my hands on a topo map of McCleary, A scent trail heading east (6 miles) on an ATV or Motorcycle..that tells me alot...

Are there many remote cabins at all up these logging/ Atv roads in McCleary or surrounding area?

We have a cabin that is in the mountains. It sits at 11,000 feet in the middle of nowhere, you have to drive (if your lucky) an old switchback mining road, and then from what we call our staging area you either have to hike in on foot or ride an ATV to get in the rest of the way in to the cabin. You would never know it was there, ever unless you just happened to stumble upon it, it sits right in the middle of the deep forrest.

That is so kool. I could use some solitude, can I rent it for a couple of momths? LOl! A post stated that the report was handed over to LE. I wonder if this scent was a fresh scent? The paper reported the LE & Military SAR found no scent initially. Although a reporter stated a faint scent was detected but fading. This was not considered a death scent to my knowledge. Please correct if needed as there are so many post all over the net discussing this. I'm thinking which ever scent was detected, checked out (possibly private searches helped in this area) we would know if it was Lindsey. No one would stop the presses if Lindsey was found. Why would people report this and not carry on to find the location of the scent? A local told me that this area is known to locals as a great place to ride quads ect... but not necessarily a place where a stranger type abduction would know about. This takes me back to LE profilers feeling the person who took Lindsey was someone she new. Not questioning Harry Oaks integrity, but I must ask why a person trained in search & recovery wouldn't call in the mounty and check this scent of death for the report to LE, unless in fact he did check it out and we just haven't heard that yet.

 

[JenniferO]

A candlelight vigil is being planned for Lindsey Baum on September 26th 2009.

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/

 

[KONAMOCHA]

Ok, so from what I can find in the old photos there was nothing over in that side of town such as cabins built for simpson mill workers... It is just timber no buildings at all


The only cabins / bunk houses I can think of were the ones at the old Kirby farm years ago and unknown if they are still standing or not. ( at the end of Mommsen Rd.)

 

[mysticrose]

I have been searching around at land parcels (ortho) and have found a handful of homes that are pretty far out there. Seems most of the property around E Beck and further out on logging roads and such are owned mainly by tree companys, but there is some land owned by individuals as well spotted here and there. Will keep looking and then do some searching around to see what I can find out more about the landowners...

 

[mysticrose]

Seems I have not been looking out far enough. In that e-mail it states "we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV"
Do any of the locals know any logging roads that hook back up to Old Olympica Hwy 108 going from Beck St. then NE to a logging atv rd? TIA
It would seem also by this email if correct that they feel she was taken by atv or motorcycle?

 

[mysticrose]

Sorry just full of questions tonight for anyone local....lol
Are people allowed to ride their ATV's through town on the main roads?

 

[KONAMOCHA]

LOL, it is ok , no they are not supposed to ride their atvs and such through town but it has been done.

Yes that logging road does connect to hwy 108 supposedly as far as shelton also connects with hwy 8 near summit lake area

 

[mysticrose]

LOL, it is ok , no they are not supposed to ride their atvs and such through town but it has been done.

Yes that logging road does connect to hwy 108 supposedly as far as shelton also connects with hwy 8 near summit lake area

Thank you so much! I wonder if anyone happened to see or hear an ATV or a motorcycle that night in town...I wonder who Lindsey might know that has either or, with whom she might catch a ride with ?

 

[KONAMOCHA]

I wish somebody knew that answer...sigh

 

[JenniferO]

I was asked to post a notice on the forums I am a member of.. this is not directed to anyone in particular. It's just something that we need to have very clear.

From the Lindsey Baum Search Center
Please be advised that when you signed up to Volunteer to search for evidence to help us find Lindsey Baum you were advised that NO INFORMATION was to be talked about whether online, to friends, family or ANYONE. This includes not sharing information pertaining to any searches that you were on, heard about nor any pictures that you may have taken - NOTHING.

This may seem like a strict rule and one that can be difficult to follow sometimes but it is crucial that this rule is followed to a T. This not only jeopardizes our ability to continue searches it also could potentially put Lindsey into more danger.

IF YOU HAVE POSTED ANY INFO ON FORUMS (RE: SEARCHES) PLEASE DELETE OR CONTACT THE MOD AND HAVE IT REMOVED

 

[mysticrose]

Hi Jennifer the info I posted above is not from any members here, it is an email from (Harry Oaks) to my understanding,and it is in reference to his search with his dogs and where they tracked.

 

[JenniferO]

Yeah, I know who the email was from. I still haven't figured out why he shared that information, but it's out there. No stopping it now, right? Let's just hope that if it is correct that the perp hasn't decided to remove evidence.

I was posting that reminder here just in case someone was reading this thread and not the others on the forum.

We just want to remind people that sharing information about the searches could be putting Lindseys life in jeopardy and it could ultimately put a halt to the volunteer searches (I just wish Mr Oakes would have thought about that before replying to a random stranger who emailed him on a whim)

 

[onamission7304]

I was asked to post a notice on the forums I am a member of.. this is not directed to anyone in particular. It's just something that we need to have very clear.

From the Lindsey Baum Search Center
Please be advised that when you signed up to Volunteer to search for evidence to help us find Lindsey Baum you were advised that NO INFORMATION was to be talked about whether online, to friends, family or ANYONE. This includes not sharing information pertaining to any searches that you were on, heard about nor any pictures that you may have taken - NOTHING.

This may seem like a strict rule and one that can be difficult to follow sometimes but it is crucial that this rule is followed to a T. This not only jeopardizes our ability to continue searches it also could potentially put Lindsey into more danger.

IF YOU HAVE POSTED ANY INFO ON FORUMS (RE: SEARCHES) PLEASE DELETE OR CONTACT THE MOD AND HAVE IT REMOVED

Just a little added note to Jennifer O's post:

WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO GETTING A SEARCH CENTER GOING AND TRUST ME IT WAS NOT EASY ON ANY OF US. NOW THAT WE GOT IT UP AND RUNNING IT WOULD ONLY TAKE ONE SMALL ERROR FROM SOMEONE ON A SEARCH TEAM OR AT THE SEARCH CENTER TO HAVE US SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD. EACH AND EVERY TEAM IS INSTRUCTED ON WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. WHAT SHOULD BE SAID IF ANYONE ASKS IS THIS
"YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS WE KNOW" BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUTH. NOT ONE PERSON THAT GOES OUT SEARCHING OR THAT WORKS AT THE LINDSEY CENTER IS QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS OF WHAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE RELATED TO THIS CASE. SO PLEASE EVERYONE OUR GOAL IS TO HELP FIND LINDSEY AND BRING HER HOME THAT IS THE BOTTOME LINE.

SORRY JEN I JUST HAD TO THROW MY 2 CENTS IN

 

[JenniferO]

Just a little added note to Jennifer O's post:

WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO GETTING A SEARCH CENTER GOING AND TRUST ME IT WAS NOT EASY ON ANY OF US. NOW THAT WE GOT IT UP AND RUNNING IT WOULD ONLY TAKE ONE SMALL ERROR FROM SOMEONE ON A SEARCH TEAM OR AT THE SEARCH CENTER TO HAVE US SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD. EACH AND EVERY TEAM IS INSTRUCTED ON WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. WHAT SHOULD BE SAID IF ANYONE ASKS IS THIS
"YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS WE KNOW" BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUTH. NOT ONE PERSON THAT GOES OUT SEARCHING OR THAT WORKS AT THE LINDSEY CENTER IS QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS OF WHAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE RELATED TO THIS CASE. SO PLEASE EVERYONE OUR GOAL IS TO HELP FIND LINDSEY AND BRING HER HOME THAT IS THE BOTTOME LINE.

SORRY JEN I JUST HAD TO THROW MY 2 CENTS IN

You can throw money at me anytime..

I will add it to the thread!