WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #12

[breanna]

By the way...I should add...jvk's pics are just fine.

From Kara:

No his pics are fine!! I guess I should have specified anything that is "potentially evidence or case related".

Just my :twocents:

 

[JenniferO]

Sheesh.. I'm never going to get rich if I only get 2 cents at a time.

I'll add your info to the thread too, Breanna!

 

[jvk]

It may not be a good idea to take pictures of potentially identifiable search/ed areas.

The two pictures i've posted are either very difficult to find &/or near impossible to identify.

Intentionally ~generic.

We wouldn't want to advertise what has/hasn't been searched.

That being said i might take my own advice.

I don't want people to think since i've taken a random picture that's the (up to them to define) standard.

It's really WS users that i took the last couple for. I want to keep the interest going & a little highlight of the day.

So with that i might stick to diff types of photos.

 

[breanna]

It may not be a good idea to take pictures of potentially identifiable search/ed areas.

The two pictures i've posted are either very difficult to find &/or near impossible to identify.

Intentionally ~generic.

We wouldn't want to advertise what has/hasn't been searched.

That being said i might take my own advice.

I don't want people to think since i've taken a random picture that's the (up to them to define) standard.

It's really WS users that i took the last couple for. I want to keep the interest going & a little highlight of the day.

So with that i might stick to diff types of photos.

We knew that jvk. Your pics are totally generic.

Thanks for keeping the interest going.

 

[JenniferO]

It may not be a good idea to take pictures of potentially identifiable search/ed areas.

The two pictures i've posted are either very difficult to find &/or near impossible to identify.

Intentionally ~generic.

We wouldn't want to advertise what has/hasn't been searched.

That being said i might take my own advice.

I don't want people to think since i've taken a random picture that's the (up to them to define) standard.

It's really WS users that i took the last couple for. I want to keep the interest going & a little highlight of the day.

So with that i might stick to diff types of photos.

Nudes can be mailed to Breanna. She'll forward em on to me.

JOKING! The pictures you have posted are so generic I don't even know where they were taken. I wouldn't worry about it.. people enjoy your pictures. I say keep posting them!

 

[jvk]

haha.

 

[breanna]

Does anyone know when the next search will be? Was it mentioned this weekend? I know about the vigil...but I may have missed the next search info.

Thanks!

 

[onamission7304]

Does anyone know when the next search will be? Was it mentioned this weekend? I know about the vigil...but I may have missed the next search info.

Thanks!

the next search is supposed to be in 3 weeks with the center being at the church trailer! I or someone will let you and everyone else know for sure.

 

[JenniferO]

3 weeks

 

[kageykaren]

Corrlaro Here is the bridge you may have been asking about. You can find pictures at Wikimedia Commons. The Hoquiam River Bridge (Simpson Avenue Bridge in Hoquiam, Grays Harbor county. Let me know if this helps If not I'll go back to basics.

 

[onamission7304]

3 weeks

thats what I was told

 

[JenniferO]

thats what I was told

Yeah, that's what I was told to. I'm multi tasking and typed out a quick answer (not seeing your post first) to breanna.

This weekend they need to get people out on the corners doing flyers for not only the vigil but also for needing searchers.
McCleary is having it's community wide garage sale.. I heard a lot of people come into town for that.
I'd get someone on every corner handing out information.

Maybe set up a table of items (tshirts, CDs, buttons, garage sale stuff if they have it) and try to raise some money.

 

[CorallaroC]

Corrlaro Here is the bridge you may have been asking about. You can find pictures at Wikimedia Commons. The Hoquiam River Bridge (Simpson Avenue Bridge in Hoquiam, Grays Harbor county. Let me know if this helps If not I'll go back to basics.

~~~
Karen, I don't think that's the one, but thank you so much. I'm excited about the website you have shown me. Now maybe I can find some aerial shots of the town I saw in my own dream. I will post any information I come up with over on that thread.

Cheers

 

[kageykaren]

Looking to see if there is any new news concerning Lindsey. I'll just keep praying & staying positive someone will come forward. Until then I'll keep working behind the scenes. Now that I have seen with my own eyes how information spreads across the internet like wild fire. This encourages me to stay with this case. I held the whole "Michelle Bart"issue close to my vest after hearing in the press 1 wk. and a 1/2 that Michelle B visited Mom B. I only let it out here at W/S once mom B went to NYC. I posted all about Michell B, the Ready Amber Alert Foundation Scam Mom B particapted in. I had no choice but to post as some posters were going to rush out to purchase the wares, give freely, with no knowledge of how some of these foundations work. I'v been working on exposing the cons of some of these foundations since Sept. 08 and was sickened to see this in Lindsey's case. Hopefully some of the folks who have obviously zoned in on Michelle B after my exposing her in yet another case will post Cecybeans post at other sites. This means W/S is working as it is intended to do. However members and guest arrive at seeing the light, it has shined on this subject and puts a smile on my face as that is what I intended the info. to do. The posts for info on this subject can be found in the "Lindsey important" thread. Lindsey Important? Lindsey is the best thing to happen to the silent sleepy town of McCleary. So sad we are forced to locate her. Speaking of that, maybe on the search threads their will be a bit of info. Thanks to all who are spreading info throughout the net for Lindsey. It takes a village and with all who care for Lindsey, something in Lindsey's favor is bound to appear.

 

[SailorMoon]

Never giving up hope. Just checking in. C'mon Lindsey...time to come home.

 

[LookN4Lindsey]

Looking to see if there is any new news concerning Lindsey. I'll just keep praying & staying positive someone will come forward. Until then I'll keep working behind the scenes. Now that I have seen with my own eyes how information spreads across the internet like wild fire. This encourages me to stay with this case. I held the whole "Michelle Bart"issue close to my vest after hearing in the press 1 wk. and a 1/2 that Michelle B visited Mom B. I only let it out here at W/S once mom B went to NYC. I posted all about Michell B, the Ready Amber Alert Foundation Scam Mom B particapted in. I had no choice but to post as some posters were going to rush out to purchase the wares, give freely, with no knowledge of how some of these foundations work. I'v been working on exposing the cons of some of these foundations since Sept. 08 and was sickened to see this in Lindsey's case. Hopefully some of the folks who have obviously zoned in on Michelle B after my exposing her in yet another case will post Cecybeans post at other sites. This means W/S is working as it is intended to do. However members and guest arrive at seeing the light, it has shined on this subject and puts a smile on my face as that is what I intended the info. to do. The posts for info on this subject can be found in the "Lindsey important" thread. Lindsey Important? Lindsey is the best thing to happen to the silent sleepy town of McCleary. So sad we are forced to locate her. Speaking of that, maybe on the search threads their will be a bit of info. Thanks to all who are spreading info throughout the net for Lindsey. It takes a village and with all who care for Lindsey, something in Lindsey's favor is bound to appear.

I believe you were meaning the "Amber Ready Program", right? I'd love to hear what it is that makes them a scam. I've heard a lot of good things about them and some really big names that are affiliated with it so I would like to know the truth before I sign up my family if there is really something shady going on. Thanks

 

[Novice Seeker]

I believe you were meaning the "Amber Ready Program", right? I'd love to hear what it is that makes them a scam. I've heard a lot of good things about them and some really big names that are affiliated with it so I would like to know the truth before I sign up my family if there is really something shady going on. Thanks

Start pulling up her websites and note some of the sponsors, some of which claim to offer similir products. Look up several Florida websites or just google her or her corporation. Please investigate this before placing any money into another's hands.

MO
Novice Seeker

 

[Novice Seeker]

I believe you were meaning the "Amber Ready Program", right? I'd love to hear what it is that makes them a scam. I've heard a lot of good things about them and some really big names that are affiliated with it so I would like to know the truth before I sign up my family if there is really something shady going on. Thanks

I would suggest pulling on some of the websites she claims to chair and look for things which are consistent. Start pulling up her websites and note some of the sponsors, some of which claim to offer similir products. Look up several Florida websites or just google her or her corporation. Please investigate this before placing any money into another's hands.

MO
Novice Seeker

 

[jvk]

I was not familiar with Amber Ready.

I've now spent some time getting familiar.

One of the first things that caught my attention is they are not carrying Amber Alerts.

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Store Your Child's Profile Safely on Your Phone - Most phones are capabile of carrying data .. & safely... with nothing additional.

.. letting them instantly transmit pictures and other details to cops in an emergency.. - MMS/SMS/E-mail? - Don't really need (proprietary) software to accomplish this.

Have an Alert Take Action in Minutes Instead of Hours - This is almost surprising. This can't be guaranteed & is not up to them - Only explanation would seem to be ease of pushing information. -> 'Have'

Child's Profile Stored On Phone, Not a Database - Why wouldn't the profile/data be stored on both? (local/phone & w/them) ?

Receive Child's Profiles in a Convenient Email - You, some one else (family?), LE, or more(?) recieving an e-mail? - The information would reside in a database in order for them to be sending e-mails.

Receive 1000 Free Missing Child Posters (If Missing) - ....

Create DNA and Fingerprint Identification Data - From what i've seen this is a ~q-tip mouth swab & obviously a digital (scan) or ink fingerprint.

- Nothing is linked to additional information.

The Wireless Phone Profile Program - New software for cellphone to help parents whose children go missing

Wireless (phone & internet) alerts (IMO) have or could have existed for around a decade+. All it takes is offering the alerts in a (simple) standard format. - Strangely this is often (still) put in a proprietary (non-publicly available) format.

- (IMO) The real issue is getting the information & how its presented (format). The amount of (alert) methods to read & distribute has already existed for (very) a long time. .. Whether or not (or how) some one (or company/emergency service) picks up & utilizes the information is (still) up to them..

Profile Backup for Replacement Phones - This kind of touches on the database question. Maybe this is referencing a burned CD? - Or some other local (data) storage method?

24-Hour Alert & Police Support - This needs additional detail (edit: "24-Hour AMBER Ready Call Center") ?

Child Internet Safety Web Browser - I feel this is probably a brand-pushing piece of (web browsing) software. (that is likely cheap or freeware)

Backpack Tags and Door Stickers - I'm guessing the backpack tags point back to Amber Ready.. ? & The door stickers.. are flier-ish? - Or/Is this also/the 'deterrent?

Emergency Car Charger for Existing Wireless Phone.. They order another charger for you..?

Child Safety DVD with Emergency Instructions & Tips - A digital pamphlet.

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http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q="amber+ready"&cf=all&scoring=n

I see a news article & press release about the 'wireless feature.

.. parents can immediately send out all that information to police, various news outlets, airports and the AMBER alert network .. - Parents initiate this? From their phone? Via (AR) Phone/Software? - or Does AR (actually) do it - Also, whether or not action is taken is still up to those who receive it.

.. AMBER Ready also acts as a deterrent for child predators. - ? The backpack tag? The door sticker?

.. Amber Ready saves precious time .. - This might be the only claim i may agree with. W/out seeing it (software) in (+/-prior) action.. My holdup is referring to it as a 'system' w/out any known topography..

.. Kai has targeted the program at helping African-American children .. ?

.. Kai used $12 million in funding from John Thomas Financial to develop AMBER Ready, and it is not available to consumers .. Is this an error? Referencing Phone/Software (source/code?) ? - Referencing proprietary-ness ?

.. delivery of information to police, medical and other emergency services - Seems endless....

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This software would have to be pretty revolutionary.

This seems mostly a collection of known tools & methods. - That are not (+/-individually) unique (minus this not-seen software)

Ease of software, speed & real world-field is part of the (remaining) question.

I still hold some (technical & capability) doubt. AR seems to really ride on that piece of (phone) software. If your ducks are (already) in a row.. i have difficulty believing this software offers a significant advantage.

I've (all of) never been impressed by any phone software.

Nothing specific is given on the phone/software network/communication system.

Is anything patented?

__________________ Terms & Conditions __________________​

I understand that I am enrolling in the AMBER Ready Program to receive the AMBER Ready Child Safety Tools to aid in the recovery of my child with the assistance of the Child Safety Tools and the 24-Hour AMBER Ready Call Center should my child become missing while my membership is in good standing.


I understand that I may elect to enroll in the Free Sponsorship Rebate Program at any time during my membership to receive a $50 rebate. I understand that upon accepting the terms and conditions of the AMBER Ready Program my credit card will be charged a non-refundable fee of $50 or $59.95 if I have elected to upgrade to the Deluxe Package.


I understand that I will receive a Member ID that will enable me to store my children’s profiles in my wireless phone receive a backup of my children’s profiles in my computer e-mail. Should I not receive my Membership ID for any reason whatsoever, I should contact the AMBER Ready 24-Hour Call Center to receive my membership ID.

(the ID does not 'enable' you to store data on your phone) (also.. that sentence has an error)

I understand that the AMBER Ready Program is not responsible for the proper functionality of the Picture Message, MMS or Picture Mail features on my wireless account or in my wireless phone. I also understand that the AMBER Ready Program is not responsible for placing my child on alert should they become missing and only law enforcement agencies have that authority.

- The Fine Print.

("not responsible for placing my child on alert") - While we may know the meaning.. This doesn't actually make sense. You're not 'placing your child on alert'

Somewhat poorly written terms. Nothing is said or referenced about their own (apparent?) phone software.

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So this might be what i was kind of thinking earlier. MMS is being utilized at least in portion.

On the website the cost seems vague. I'm not seeing where it says per month or not. In one article it says:

"A two-year enrollment in the program costs $50 per household no matter how many children you have."

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[kageykaren]

What gave the Secreatary of State in Wa. a laugh was that the program charges $50.00 dolars a month with a 2yr. contract and no less. Thankfully no one in our state has applied for a charitable license to set up shop by having fund raisers for such a redundant item. JVK, great research as it took some doing initially when I heard about Mic Bart connected to it. O/T does anyone know if the amount and contract for phone remain the same? I'm going to be honest and say I wasn't comming back to post (due to tone of thread between posters) similar to the post addressing me in the post above. It was quite apparent that the poster didn't really want me to answer that. If she is sincerely asking and is impressed by "Stars" this tells me she has at least read their promo so I would hope this person would investigate further. I'm never going to tell someone how to use their free will. When I read the responses It gave me little annoying tears to see others sourced out info to the best of their ability as I did. Trust me I didn't expect to find what I found and it caused mooey grief, realizing I would catch grief on this paticular forum. I admire those who put such an effort in to finding LB with no concern about the hoopla surrounding money. This is about Lindsey who now has become McClearys shining star showing all what is good and true in life. Too be honest I was more interested in how all this media, traveling, associations, bank funds, tied into the FBI Forensic Psychologist profiling of Mom B more than educating the public. (I'm glad I did bring awarness.) Maybe this forum needs a new thread pertaining to profiles of the suspects not cleared if some are interested in this form of research. I'm only working on Mom B because she is the nucleous in the home. In-Sessions has a post by someone who states they are Lindsey's mom and I have no reason to doubt that as a truth. What is interesting is a sentence within her post. I was taken back a bit by this freudian slip that you could put with a profile. " I know people care about Me and my daughter" Operative word for profiling "ME", as mom B capped the M. The sentence alone is not too awfully disturbing but when you add in other behaviors it matters. Not calling mom out just trying to move away from the inner circle, the home. The other curious aspect of this post is that Mom B felt compelled to go on the internet and talk about this stuff, money, accounts, spitefulliness towards MsBart. Why? This should not be an issue for her as Mom has friends addressing her finances so that Mom B can concentrate on other more important things. Love to hear an account of the day in life of Lindsey on June 26th, from breafast till ? That could help many of us trying to find out what went on that day that may have led up to her vanishing.