WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #3

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  • #301
Ok i'm gonna have to fully read all of her posts (which i haven't) bbiab
 
  • #302
My theory is that she was indeed seen on Maple on the way home. However, she had anticipated K staying over, she had a huge fight with her brother, and was looking for a diversion. It would not have been out of the realm for her to swing over to Simpson to check out the pizza place or other places to find someone to hang with that night. She didn't have to be home immediately and it wasn't that far off her course. She was bored...or anticipated becoming very bored at home after an active, fun day.

I agree with your theory, SS. If she was snatched between 5th and 6th on Maple, then her abductor would almost have to be one of the very few people living right there, since the street is not well travelled, it's quiet, and no one's reported strange cars. But if she headed up to Simpson, it widens out the possibilities and makes perfect sense as far as what a 10 yo might do.
 
  • #303
I just reread the post - check out DarlinGal's link. The way I read it, KK says there is a witness that may have seen Lindsey take a different route. She goes on to say if the witness' comment is true - that would mean that Lindsey was on 6th Street and would confirm the dogs scenting her there.

So KK is saying there is some witness report that we have not heard about yet, as far as I know. This witness report is contrary to what LE has been telling us all along. It mucks up the picture.......

Salem

But she also says that her daughter watched Lindsey until she reached the end of their road. Does she mean the end of Maple, I wonder? If not, what end of what road is she referring to?
She's inconsistent. Just no way to get around it.
 
  • #304
The end of the road (actually, block) would've been 7th (the first cross) she'd pointed this out when i spoke w/her.

Watching some one walk from her house all the way to 3rd.. nada

As far as her knowing of a witness or through some one else hearing Lindsey had taken an alternate route. It appears to be just that. Which is != "she stated Lindsey had taken a different route"

KK: "The path that Lindsey is said to have taken home that night is not normal"

KK: "From a possible witness"
 
  • #305
I feel like i'm being forced to defend KK and i'm not comfortable with that. I don't want to come off bias but i feel obligated to straighten something like that out ^
 
  • #306
MPO is she went south on 6th to fir.
I'm still worried about JM's house being right there, and would really, really like to know if a creek runs down 2nd or around it.
There are a lot of "denser" areas on that way home, and definitely more residential than going towards simpson.
JMO
 
  • #307
People don't think you're crazy! Got to say, though, SS, there being a bridge in a town isn't that huge of a coincidence. I have my suspicions about what "clued in" means. All hocus pocus, IMO.

BUT -- I know from the past that your instincts are very good, and it would just be ridiculous in any case if that bridge and its immediate vicinity weren't searched. Have you ever gotten a definitive answer if the bridge has been searched.
I am sooooo tempted to fly up there to search that town myself!:crazy: The first thing I'm going to do is yank open that refrigerator! (Okay, not really going. But I bet lots of us are just itching to go there at night with flashlights and prying-open-things tools!)
Thanks~ I never take my "feelings" lightly and have been outspoken about areas before only if they really capture my interest for a reason.

I have not gotten any verification except the dog searched near the bridge. From the photos tho...it did not appear that searchers were looking recently. This bothers me.

If I had the ability, I would be on the scene everywhere. LOL The locals are doing a fabulous job tho! Kudos!!

I have to say that JVK is right. When you are out and doing this kind of thing...you can't have them looking at everything you come across as suspicious. Discretion is paramount to credibility. The screwdriver in the tree is something which should be identified.
 
  • #308
Happy 4th everyone. I am off to spend the evening with my kids and keep them up well past their bedtimes. Good work, guys. I'll be back tonight after fun.
 
  • #309
I feel like i'm being forced to defend KK and i'm not comfortable with that. I don't want to come off bias but i feel obligated to straighten something like that out ^
I wish I could say, "Don't feel that way!", but after you meet someone...you have to use your gut feelings to determine if you believe them or not based on your own perceptions. There is no reason to think you would not have a biased opinion, but tempered with fact and other factors...to develop a reasonable expectation of those "feelings". People can lie to our faces easily and it is up to us to figure out the truth or at least a percentage. ;)
 
  • #310
No, LE has not said that the dogs scented in any particular place. Their reports seem to imply the dogs didn't pick up Lindsey's scent at all, but didn't come out and say it, and there's some question about whether they mean the dogs didn't scent on the supposed route.
LE did say her "scent" was vanishing in the areas such as the park where she was known to have been. ;) Again...the trained dog is only as good as the trainer and we don't know the history on any of these dogs. Anyone? Are they the state dogs being used or from private resources?
 
  • #311
For easy reference I have posted today's & one from yesterday's article's in one post for everyone! Thanks!

:rose:I also wanted to thank jvk for everything you have done to help in this case! You are a true angel, we all really appreciate everything, from your photos & your posts that I find very helpful. :rose: :clap: I hope you know that you are very valuable to us at WS's, & we all hope that you continue to stay posting at WS's for many years to come! :blowkiss: :rose:


Efforts To Find Missing Girl Continue Through Weekend
Posted: 4:06 am PDT July 4, 2009
Updated: 5:17 am PDT July 4, 2009
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Efforts to find a missing Grays Harbor County girl will continue through the Independence Day weekend.

Lindsey Baum, 10, was last seen June 26 in her home town of McCleary.

F.B.I. agents are stopping drivers as they enter the town.

Investigators have also stopped people on foot.


Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19947270/detail.html
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New push on to find missing McCleary girl
Story Published: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
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Lindsey was last seen at the corner of 6th and Maple heading home from her friend's house at about 9:15 p.m last Friday.

Fonda Voss is making sure visitors to nearby Straddleline ORV park are being reminded about Lindsey's disappearance. It's a big travel destination and one of the entrances to the Capitol Forest.

"The trails are very big. The Capitol Forest is 80,000 acres. Just keeping people aware when they're out on the trail to just keep their eyes open. It's a big area out there," she says.

At the request of the FBI, Clear Channel Communications also has agreed to put an alert about Lindsey up on their brand new digital billboards through the Kent Valley.

Meanwhile, FBI agents will be working through the holiday weekend, following up on dozens of tips that continue to come in.


Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49891642.html
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No strong leads in McCleary girl's disappearance
12:24 PM PDT on Saturday, July 4, 2009
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Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott says crews searched until 10 p.m. yesterday and are out again today. They have no strong leads.

"The likelihood that she's been removed from the community is growing ever greater because we've searched the whole community," Scott said.

Local police, Grays Harbor County deputies and officers from several surrounding communities are hitting the streets this weekend, in case a witness they haven&#8217;t spoken with happens to be in town. Scott said it will "look like a police convention is in town."

Investigators hope someone&#8217;s habits will help them find Lindsey. Scott is urging people to report any unusual behavior that might point to an abductor, such as suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.


Article:
http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_070409WAB-mccleary-KS.a44c079.html
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&#8220;Waiting for a call of hope
Saturday, July 4, 2009 1:13 AM PDT
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On the night before Independence Day, the Baum family wasn&#8217;t making plans to drive around and scope out store parking lots for the best viewing spot for fireworks displays, as they&#8217;ve done in years past.

As the one-week anniversary of the evening of Lindsey&#8217;s disappearance approached, investigators concentrated on developing a profile of what the town might have looked like exactly a week earlier.

&#8220;We&#8217;re trying to re-create a snapshot as best we can of how McCleary looks on a Friday night,&#8221; according to Undersheriff Rick Scott.

&#8220;We&#8217;ll be checking to see what businesses are open, what their customer base is. ... We&#8217;ll be flooding the corridor to see who travels though town on a regular basis at that hour.&#8221;

He said law enforcement officers would be focusing on questioning people like couriers or delivery workers, whose jobs regularly bring them through town Friday nights, on the theory that perhaps one of them might have seen something that could lead investigators to Lindsey&#8217;s whereabouts.

Baum&#8217;s father, who lives in Tennessee, had booked a flight to Grays Harbor this weekend, but Scott said he wasn&#8217;t scheduled to arrive until late Friday night.


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Scott said investigators have been following every tip that comes in, but so far most have come to a dead end.

Late this week, investigators had sent Baum&#8217;s computer in for forensic testing. Scott said investigators had been able to gather some preliminary information, but it had &#8220;yielded nothing.&#8221;

Scott said in the coming days, the Sher iff&#8217;s Office would also be re-examining interviews that have already been conducted to see if any would warrant any follow-up questions.

As to when or if the search will expand to western parts of Grays Harbor and past the borders of neighboring counties, that depends on what happens by the end of the weekend.

&#8220;We&#8217;re going to evaluate everything and see what we need to do next,&#8221; Scott said. &#8220;As the ripples expand further, the miles of logging roads of timberland become so huge we can&#8217;t thoroughly search that. It&#8217;ll take a long time. The plan for next week will depend on what we can find out Saturday and Sunday.&#8221;


Volunteer Jeff Strege of Puyallup walks with Josh Baum, the brother of missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, and Lindsey&#8217;s dog Kadence, in downtown McCleary Friday. In the background, McCleary resident Neil Newell hands out informational fliers to passing motorists.
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Law enforcement officials are asking anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum to come forward with tips. Tips can be made by phone at 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail at mailto:[email protected]. They may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, WA 98557.

The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum.
http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm


Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/04/local_news/doc4a4ef863951fd228403524.txt
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MASON COUNTY SHERIFF ASSISTS IN SEARCH FOR MCCLEARY CHILD
07/03/2009
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Mason County Sheriff's Deputies have been asked to assist in the investigation of the disappearance of 10-year-old Lindsey J. Baum of McCleary. Four detectives from the Sheriff's Office Special Operations Group are assisting the McCleary Police Department and Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office in following up on a large number tips coming in about the disappearance. Mason County Detectives have also assisted the investigation by verifying addresses and providing information to the investigation about registered sex offenders in west Mason County. Lindsey went missing last Friday, while walking home from a friend's house about ten blocks to her home. Although the search for Lindsey is tapering off, investigators still would like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything unusual in McCleary between 9 PM and 10 PM June 26th.

Article:
http://www.masoncountydailynews.com...STS-IN-SEARCH-FOR-MCCLEARY-CHILD/Default.aspx

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  • #312
I wish I could say, "Don't feel that way!", but after you meet someone...you have to use your gut feelings to determine if you believe them or not based on your own perceptions. There is no reason to think you would not have a biased opinion, but tempered with fact and other factors...to develop a reasonable expectation of those "feelings". People can lie to our faces easily and it is up to us to figure out the truth or at least a percentage. ;)

Also, people don't have to be liars to be unreliable or inconsistent. Some people (really, most people) just allow things to pop out of their mouths sometimes that they haven't really given a lot of thought to. Some tend to exaggerate their involvement or knowledge or to minimize it, but not to the point of lying.

When KK says her daughter watched Lindsey walk to the end of their street, she isn't lying if she means her daughter watched Lindsey walk the short distance to 7th, but her info isn't reliable either, at least not to people who are going to parse and analyze every word and nuance.

When she posts about a witness that has reported that Lindsey took an unusual route home that night, she may mean only that she's heard idle gossip to that effect. Or she may mean she has knowledge that someone told that to the police or to her personally. But she's very vague about where that info comes from, so it can't be relied on either.

I don't really think KK had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance (at least no more than I'd think any other particular person did) but I don't trust that she is careful that everything she says is completely accurate.
 
  • #313
When KK says her daughter watched Lindsey walk to the end of their street, she isn't lying if she means her daughter watched Lindsey walk the short distance to 7th, but her info isn't reliable either, at least not to people who are going to parse and analyze every word and nuance.

This is true.

Some of her vagueness might be the result of her not being so sure if she should be talking about it (or to what extent)
 
  • #314
I know anyone placed in her position would hate to be there. I also know for a fact, I would feel so guilty if one of my kiddo's friends had asked to spend the night and I turned her down...only for her to go missing. It has to be a horrendous burden.

Would I be on the internet asking for answers and help?! Darn straight I would since it is the world I am used to here. Maybe it is the same for her...she is used to being here and wants to do "something even if it is wrong". I can't say it is a bad thing.
 
  • #315
This is true.

Some of her vagueness might be the result of her not being so sure if she should be talking about it (or to what extent)
So true. I am sure she got the speech from LE. However, maybe she is trying to balance what can be said to what she has already said.
 
  • #316
I'm posting the time-line with the hopes posters on WebSleuths can help make it better...TIA

This is a rough time-line and was posted by eyes on Lindsey thread #1 using information from Post #173 & post #233 (Angel who cares), post #223 (kat), June 30th update posted by Angel Who Cares. Articles, interviews etc. Please note: This time-line has contradictions and is being updated and subject to change at any time. Latest update July 4th.

MAY 29th - Lindsey wrote....
I've been getting a lot of nightmares lately and I have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen...
Her mood - scared (eyes asks: what on earth causes a 10yo to have nightmares?)

June 16th - Last day of school, ended about 10:00am (information from locals)

JUNE 26TH - 9:15PM....LAST TIME LINDSEY WAS SEEN BY ANYONE

June 26th, Friday day hours - K said daughter Kayla was swimming with Lindsey and a group of girls before returning to the Maple street residence...(eyes asks: where were they swimming)

8:15? - Friday evening hours - Kayla and Lindsey seen in video store with group of friends - laughing & joking!
(eyes asks: did they rent videos? Where and when were they going to watch them?)

8:25 - Lindsey and Kayla walked to Lindsey's home - Lindsey showered, changed clothes. Mom Baum said Lindsey left without cell phone, money or clothes.(eyes unable to figure out if video store was before or after walk to Lindsey's home)

8:45? - Lindsey, K, and brother (pushing bike) leave for friend's house to inquire if Lindsey could stay the night. Neighbor saw Lindsey and brother squabbling over brother's bike and sent brother home (eyes asks: where did this altercation take place?)

9:00? - Lindsey arrived at friend's home and was told by mom and dad she could not stay the night and needed to leave due to impending darkness - Lindsey left to walk the 4 blocks home.

9:15 - a woman on her way to work (car) saw Lindsey walking on Maple between 5th & 6th street...about 1/2 way between the two homes.
Taken from Angel Who Cares post #233 (thread 1)

OR (another version) - Lindsey was leaving her friend&#8217;s home between 9 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. Friday, traveling from Maple Street to Mommsen Road. Scott said a neighbor spotted her &#8220;two-thirds of the way home,&#8221; still on Maple Street.

AND - a 2nd witness has come forward saying Lindsey was seen walking

Quote taken from the article by Angel Who Cares:

&#8220;We have her coming back from the residence alone consistent with the friend and friend&#8217;s family,&#8221; Scott said. &#8220;We cannot put her to the main street here or to the street in front of her house. This wasn&#8217;t somebody who said she saw someone who looks like (Lindsey) or might have been; she was very confident it was Lindsey because she knew her and was on her way to work.&#8221;

The &#8220;main street&#8221; is South 3rd Street and it is a busy thoroughfare near City Hall, connecting to freeways in multiple directions. The police station is within sight of the intersection. The street requires a crosswalk and pedestrian control walking signals. On Friday, the streets were lighted. The sun was still out.

There is a Shell gas station at the intersection and a bus station with a bench that looked like it was in regular use at least on Monday. Scott said video surveillance at the Shell station are being reviewed. (a later update posted by by Angel Who Cares says Lindsey was NOT seen on the surveillance of the Shell gas station)
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10:00 - Lindsey's mom (car broken down) begins to search for Lindsey. She joined friend's parents by car for the search.

10:45 - police called

Bold by me
HELP PLEASE: Please feel free to correct, enhance, and clarify the info. TIA

Posted by Angel Who Cares update - June 30th article
...Kempen said her daughter Michaela had spent Friday with Lindsey and a group of other girls, swimming at a friend&#8217;s pool before they returned to the home on Maple Street. Kempen said her daughter and Lindsey were &#8220;almost inseparable&#8221; and loved to spend time together talking about &#8220;10-year-old girl stuff, boys and music, school occasionally.&#8221;...
 
  • #317
I feel like i'm being forced to defend KK and i'm not comfortable with that. I don't want to come off bias but i feel obligated to straighten something like that out ^

Please don't feel this way on my account. I agree and 2nd everything SS and Steadfast have said in regards to this. I have not labeled KK, at least not yet. I am keeping an open mind about her, but am also trying to remember all I have learned here over the last couple of years. Everything is not always what it seems, and that goes both ways. Sometimes someone cries - but they cry for themselves and sometimes someone cries and they are actually crying for the missing.

If that makes any sense? :blowkiss:

Salem
 
  • #318
Why did school get out on June 16th at 10:00 a.m.? Is that weird to anyone but me? I would have thought it would have been at least a 1/2 day ending around noon or so. It hardly seems worthwhile to get everyone up and off to school so they can come home 2 hours later?

Salem
 
  • #319
Thanks, Eyes! As I read that...I saw a couple of things already addressed as to your questions. Good job!

I have to wonder if we put ourselves in Lindsey's head...what was going through her mind? In order to decide where she would have gone or how she would have reacted in any given circumstance, we have to guess at what went on with her at the time prior to the abduction (which I have never believed she went missing on her own).
 
  • #320
Why did school get out on June 16th at 10:00 a.m.? Is that weird to anyone but me? I would have thought it would have been at least a 1/2 day ending around noon or so. It hardly seems worthwhile to get everyone up and off to school so they can come home 2 hours later?

Salem

I asked the question earlier on this thread and JenniferO (local) gave me the information. I thought it was strange also. I can always change it. Thanks
 
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