WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #5

[boondock]

Probably not related, but you gotta love the people in this neighborhood:

TACOMA, Wash. -- A man is accused of attempting to kidnap two children off a Tacoma street, but eyewitnesses and neighbors chased him down and beat him up.

Police found Billy Joe Shank lying on the ground and bleeding from his head when they were dispatched to South J Street in Tacoma on Saturday at about 7 p.m.
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http://www.kirotv.com/news/20044079/detail.html

 

[scandi]

I don't know about being bad but if I were a child and saw a huge man like him approaching me, I'd run like ****. We know Lindsey has empathy because of her love of animals, but this guy??? I think most children would go 'yikes..I'm out of here!'

I had the same thought Eyes. Even if he was a friend of someone she knew or had seen him before.

There was talk of some of her other friends on their MS accounts that they were a bit afraid too, remember? Not much has been said about that. I am seriously wondering if there was someone making advances to some of these girls, setting them on edge if he made them promise not to tell their folks.

Another thing we haven't really looked at is all the little bodies of water in the area. Have they searched any water areas?

I wonder if there are any great fishing spots or favorite swimming holes there are near McCleary? Many a child has been found in areas like these. And there could be many of them and not all searched out by LE yet. Isolated cabins and basement nooks.

I want her found alive too. But I think real soon this is going to turn from a rescue mission to one of recovery if something doesn't happen soon.

 

[scandi]

Aberdeen is not the county seat. Montesano is. And when it says they were arrested in Grays Harbor county it means anywhere within the county lines.
There is no town called "Grays Harbor".

Thanks Jennifer, as I appreciate learning that. Is the County jail in Montesano?

 

[mysticrose]

Probably not related, but you gotta love the people in this neighborhood:

TACOMA, Wash. -- A man is accused of attempting to kidnap two children off a Tacoma street, but eyewitnesses and neighbors chased him down and beat him up.

Police found Billy Joe Shank lying on the ground and bleeding from his head when they were dispatched to South J Street in Tacoma on Saturday at about 7 p.m.
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http://www.kirotv.com/news/20044079/detail.html

Good for these people..! If I saw someone trying to take a child You couldnt get me off of the perp. Thanks for sharing..

 

[Salem]

Looks like this guy was originally charged in Virginia (POSS DEPICT MINOR ENG IN SEX ACT). Not a very pretty looking fellow and he was picked up in Grays Harbour on the 10th of July. I am seeing a Cole on 3rd Street, and a Cole on Oak Street in McCleary - no connection has been made yet to EJ Cole that has been arrested.

Here is elpher50's post from many pages back. It appears that he/she already ran Cole down and determined that Cole was originally charged in VA. He/She also makes notes of possible locations in McCleary.

Thank you elpher50 for your great sleuthin'! :blowkiss:

Salem

ETA: I think it is post 322. There are pictures in the original post. Here's a link: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #5

 

[JenniferO]

Thanks Jennifer, as I appreciate learning that. Is the County jail in Montesano?

yes, the county jail is in Montesano.
Most cities have a jail also but they are small and most people end up in the county jail.

Aberdeen also has a fairly large medium security prison that opened up in 2000 called Stafford Creek Corrections center.

 

[scandi]

I believe that Lindsey is taking care of business, she is an individual, and she is able to handle her abductor (s)
I may be completely wrong, but I don't think that she was an easy abduction
I think she is still alive

Hmmmmm If she was abducted it was with bad intentions IMO I don't see how a 65 lb girl could control a man, even with her wiles. At some point he is going to want what he took her for and she would be no match for him.

I would think if someone has her in their home or hideout at some point she would want to go home, probably sooner than later. She seemed older than a girl of her age but I don't think that would get her very far in controling him. Sorry to say.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmmmm If she was abducted it was with bad intentions IMO I don't see how a 65 lb girl could control a man, even with her wiles. At some point he is going to want what he took her for and she would be no match for him.

I would think if someone has her in their home or hideout at some point she would want to go home, probably sooner than later. She seemed older than a girl of her age but I don't think that would get her very far in controling him. Sorry to say.

I agree. She would be no match for someone who wanted to harm her. I do think her perp had every intention of harming her from the minute he/she laid eyes on her walking alone that night.

 

[Kat]

I don't doubt that Lindsey is a very smart young lady. However, she is 10 yrs old. Only 10 yrs old when she disappeared. Almost eleven but still only 10.

She doesn't have the facilities or the maturation within her brain to anticipate what an adult abductor is scheming and she can't predict what an adult abductor will do as if it were a game, in which she at the age of 10 were cognizant of all the rational and irrational, logical and illogical strategies in order to outsmart an adult that may have abducted more than one child. Experience would be on the side of the abductor. I'm sorry that is just my thoughts.

Animal and SS already addressed my other concerns.

I'm not ready to come to the conclusion that LE and/or the FBI (if they are still involved with LB's case and I haven't seen it stated where the FBI packed up and left yet, but I may have missed that) are remiss in their duties.
I have learned that if they aren't sharing information it doesn't always mean they can't find their tuckus with both hands and a map. At this point in time IMHO they just aren't sharing info. Sucks for us.

SS made a very good point. Children do have a "creep factor". There was no reported screaming or even a peep actually. Either a ruse was used (and it could have been anything really, kitten, dog, candy, ride home, your Mom sent me to pick you up....etc) or she knew the person well enough to not think twice about opening that car door and sliding into the seat with a smile on her face.

In that instant she was lost.

She is a baby still. She breaks my heart as do all of the ones that become lost. I am praying she comes home soon.

We all have followed a great many cases of missing children and we develop a bit of a gut feeling about how a case will turn out. My gut tells me that this will be heartwrenching for her Mother. JMHO. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with my honesty.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Here is elpher50's post from many pages back. It appears that he/she already ran Cole down and determined that Cole was originally charged in VA. He/She also makes notes of possible locations in McCleary.

Thank you elpher50 for your great sleuthin'! :blowkiss:

Salem

ETA: I think it is post 322. There are pictures in the original post. Here's a link: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #5

Actually, I think he was charged in Thurston County Washington in 2000 for that. He may have moved to VA and was required to register at that point. Let me go double check.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with most of what you said, Kat...except no screaming does not equate to she knew the person, she went willingly, or there had to be a ruse. It could very well be there was no screaming during the abduction due to a hand over the mouth, a rag stuffed in the mouth, or some other way to subdue her without allowing her to scream. She may have been too frightened to scream. Or maybe she DID scream and no one heard her. People had air conditioners running, were watching television, and were tucked in for the night with windows and doors closed.

It also plays a role where the actual abduction took place. If she was in the area of the park, who was going to hear her? If she was near several houses on Maple, the chances would have been better. Just because she was last seen there does not mean it is where she was abducted.

I think they need to find the location of the actual crime scene first. IMO, they have not.

 

[LotsaLatte]

:furious:
Yep! I tried to copy/paste this info - hope it works!
Below is the copy of the page from Virginia State - please see the charges and state convicted in at bottom:


Offender Details




Registration ID : 20646
Name : COLE, ERIC, JOHN
Sex : Male
Race : White
Age : 55
Height : 6 Feet 04 Inches
Weight : 250 lbs
Hair Color : Brown
Eye Color : Brown
DNA : Needed
Palm Print : Needed
Finger Print : On File
Violent : No

Wanted
Photo Date : May 26, 2008

Address Information
Home : 100 W SOUTH STREET, APT. 1B, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA 22902

Work : SELF-EMPLOYED, 100 W SOUTH STREET, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA 22902




Registration Information
Initial Registration : Feb 13, 2007

Sex Offender Conviction Record
Case Number Sentencing Court Code Section Statute Date of Conviction State Convicted
991016070 THURSTON COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT 9.68A.070 POSS DEPICT MINOR ENG IN SEX ACT Jun 27, 2000 WA

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't want to sound picky, but we do have a thread to investigate RSOs. It will be so handy later to be able to go back to that particular thread and find everything.

 

[eyes4crime]

SeriouslySearching said:
I think they need to find the location of the actual crime scene first. IMO, they have not.
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Without the crime scene we are severely disadvantaged in our theories. At 9:15 on a Friday night in McCleary, you would think someone would have heard, seen, or noted something unusual. My heart breaks for the family and all the little ones who are missing their young friend.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

SeriouslySearching said:
I think they need to find the location of the actual crime scene first. IMO, they have not.
snipped and bolded by eyes

Without the crime scene we are severely disadvantaged in our theories. At 9:15 on a Friday night in McCleary, you would think someone would have heard, seen, or noted something unusual. My heart breaks for the family and all the little ones who are missing their young friend.

And so is LE. It is why I believe they have not found the place where the actual abduction happened and are no farther ahead in this case. I honestly believe there is evidence to be found of a struggle somewhere.

 

[scandi]

I agree with most of what you said, Kat...except no screaming does not equate to she knew the person, she went willingly, or there had to be a ruse. It could very well be there was no screaming during the abduction due to a hand over the mouth, a rag stuffed in the mouth, or some other way to subdue her without allowing her to scream. She may have been too frightened to scream. Or maybe she DID scream and no one heard her. People had air conditioners running, were watching television, and were tucked in for the night with windows and doors closed.

It also plays a role where the actual abduction took place. If she was in the area of the park, who was going to hear her? If she was near several houses on Maple, the chances would have been better. Just because she was last seen there does not mean it is where she was abducted.

I think they need to find the location of the actual crime scene first. IMO, they have not.

I wonder if they have a big map in the squad room in Montesano? On that map I think they would have to use the last place she was seen as the crime scene - the site of possible abduction.

They could fine tune that if they learn more don't you think?

 

[Haddie McFaddies Mom]

Refresh my memory, who is ML?

It's not ML who fits so many of the Forensic Astrology descriptions, It's FL, and I wonder why she injected herself so quickly into Lindsey's case if not to protect him.

Lindsey did not know Eric. As the F.A. Forum so strongly suggests, Lindsey knew her abductor, and by whatever account it comes from, it has been stated that Lindsey knew ML thereby creating a strong probability that she knew FL.

If she's full of ****, she's full of **** for a reason. I'd like to know it's not to cover for FL. She certainly tried to turn the blame very quickly onto someone else, and it worked.

I have reread the Forensic Astrology Forum several times and there are several similarities I did not list. He is a laborer. He wears a wifebeater (to show off his physique? his tatts?)

Going to try to go to sleep now. Doubt I'll have much luck though.

Good night good people ~

I'm not going to be able to let this one go. We've looked into much less.

 

[scandi]

And so is LE. It is why I believe they have not found the place where the actual abduction happened and are no farther ahead in this case. I honestly believe there is evidence to be found of a struggle somewhere.

ITA SS, We do believe she was abducted into a car and driven away. right? I think the car she got into is where we will find a crime scene, where she might have drawn blood from him with her nails or he hit her and she bled, lost some hair. Wouldn't the car then be the crime scene and not the spot where she got into the car. We think she got in of her own volition because her little shoes didn't come off and they were slip-ons.

IMO so far! But I don't think she is a compliant captive tonight as we speak. If she is still alive after all this time she would have to be held against her will IMO.

 

[momtective]

I wonder if they have a big map in the squad room in Montesano? On that map I think they would have to use the last place she was seen as the crime scene - the site of possible abduction.

They could fine tune that if they learn more don't you think?

An eyewitness places her between 5th and 6th street @ 9:15, Lindsey is 10 years old, how far could she travel by foot in 15 minutes (just to narrow down the time frame) from Maple and 5th I'd say she would have made it home if traveling in the direction of Mommsen. Traveling up 6th street about what 3-4 blocks? I would think the area of concentration would be quite limited...only about a 8-12 block radius at most.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if they have a big map in the squad room in Montesano? On that map I think they would have to use the last place she was seen as the crime scene - the site of possible abduction.

They could fine tune that if they learn more don't you think?

Their first clue should have been when the dogs did not pick up her scent there, but obviously did at the park.

Yes. I assume they have to go with the last known sighting as their ground zero.

Lindsey had long fingernails according to her mother. In a struggle, she probably would have broken one or two, imo. Evidence. If she was trying to escape, she may have torn a shirt, grabbed a handful of hair, lost her shoe or shoes, lost a piece of jewelry, etc. Evidence.

I just have this fear they are missing critical pieces to the puzzle and without them this case could grow cold very quickly.