WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #5

[JenniferO]

SeriouslySearching said:
I think they need to find the location of the actual crime scene first. IMO, they have not.
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Without the crime scene we are severely disadvantaged in our theories. At 9:15 on a Friday night in McCleary, you would think someone would have heard, seen, or noted something unusual. My heart breaks for the family and all the little ones who are missing their young friend.

I've been thinking about this. I live in a very quiet neighborhood on the edge of town. I have a large picture window overlooking my very small front yard, my driveway and the street I live on. Every single day (all day long) I have children out running around, playing, riding bikes, yelling and screaming (in play sometimes sibling squabbles) and I realized today that I have become so used to the kids playing in the street and field across the street that I don't know that I would notice if someone screamed from being grabbed or was kidnapped right in front of my house.
With my tv on I can't hear what is going on outside. Unless I'm standing at my window and looking outside I really don't pay much attention to what is going on out there.. my chairs don't face the window so I rarely look out there. Ya know?
I don't know if today there were kids out there playing or not. One could have been kidnapped and I could have gotten a knock on my door asking about it and I would have told the LEs that I hadn't heard or seen anything.. because I'm not conscience of what is going on out there.

It's sad that I wouldn't be able to help if somehting happened.

I wonder if that is what happened in Lindseys case. If there was a scream but because kids are allowed to run around until 10 pm in McCleary.. no one really noticed anything. Maybe everyone has become deaf to the yelling and screaming of children because it's just something that is always happening (I'm betting the people of McCleary will be more aware of it now)

It's heartbreaking to think that someone could witness something and not even realize it.

 

[scandi]

It's not ML who fits so many of the Forensic Astrology descriptions, It's FL, and I wonder why she injected herself so quickly into Lindsey's case if not to protect him.

Lindsey did not know Eric. As the F.A. Forum so strongly suggests, Lindsey knew her abductor, and by whatever account it comes from, it has been stated that Lindsey knew ML thereby creating a strong probability that she knew FL.

If she's full of ****, she's full of **** for a reason. I'd like to know it's not to cover for FL. She certainly tried to turn the blame very quickly onto someone else, and it worked.

I have reread the Forensic Astrology Forum several times and there are several similarities I did not list. He is a laborer. He wears a wifebeater (to show off his physique? his tatts?)

Going to try to go to sleep now. Doubt I'll have much luck though.

Good night good people ~

I'm not going to be able to let this one go. We've looked into much less.

Hi Haddie and Thanks for that post. ITA Her immediate intervention into the case with details that were so off the top if they were true they shouldn't have been given to the public was suspicious I thought.

Since she belongs to sex sites where I have seen her photos I assumed she was single but guess she is not. And there are 2 FL's right, father and son?

 

[JenniferO]

What "sex sites" does she belong to?

Do you mean dating sites (I personally wouldn't call these "sex sites" but you guys might) or sites? (if this is the case, how do you know she belongs to them?)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi Haddie and Thanks for that post. ITA Her immediate intervention into the case with details that were so off the top if they were true they shouldn't have been given to the public was suspicious I thought.

Since she belongs to sex sites where I have seen her photos I assumed she was single but guess she is not. And there are 2 FL's right, father and son?

I am lost. ML? FL? Other FL? (By the way...I HATE not using names and only initials!!! :banghead

 

[Haddie McFaddies Mom]

Thank you Scandi!

I know this is a subject that has been off limits but in the meantime it also allows a possible perp to be off limits. I don't want to lose my membership here at WS. I value it and all of you greatly. I respect and learn from those I consider "the big guns" daily.

Yes, there are two FL's and they both have major marks against their driving records. That stood out in one of the earliest F.A. posts.

I just happened to wander over to FL & ML's Myspace pages tonight and I felt like it was staring me right in the face and yet there was no delicate way to bring it up here at WS.

I've not seen a current address on these people, or a map in relation to Lindseys walk home.

 

[scandi]

An eyewitness places her between 5th and 6th street @ 9:15, Lindsey is 10 years old, how far could she travel by foot in 15 minutes (just to narrow down the time frame) from Maple and 5th I'd say she would have made it home if traveling in the direction of Mommsen. Traveling up 6th street about what 3-4 blocks? I would think the area of concentration would be quite limited...only about a 8-12 block radius at most.

Yes Momtective, I think if she walked straight home and left at 9:15 {tho we have also heard around 9:30 which I think was a ruse} she should have been home around 9:30. On that video from today Michelle said at first she thought she had stopped by to see a friend. But when she wasn't home by 10pm she called the police and started looking for her as she knew something was wrong.

I still think there was a real reason for LE to search that property on 6th and Fir 6x's. We have learned so little from LE and that is a major thing they told us IMO.

Have you heard if anyone has been cleared? I don't mean the mom and SK by the LT test. That bothers me as LE never uses the word 'passed' in ref to a LD test from what I've learned. xox

 

[JenniferO]

Yes Momtective, I think if she walked straight home and left at 9:15 {tho we have also heard around 9:30 which I think was a ruse} she should have been home around 9:30. On that video from today Michelle said at first she thought she had stopped by to see a friend. But when she wasn't home by 10pm she called the police and started looking for her as she knew something was wrong.

I still think there was a real reason for LE to search that property on 6th and Fir 6x's. We have learned so little from LE and that is a major thing they told us IMO.

Have you heard if anyone has been cleared? I don't mean the mom and SK by the LT test. That bothers me as LE never uses the word 'passed' in ref to a LD test from what I've learned. xox

We don't know what time she disappeared.. who knows if she was at the park or walking around until 9:45pm, started to walk home and was taken someplace close to home. We just know that she was last seen around 9:15pm on Maple. She knew she didn't have to be home until 10 pm (her normal curfew time) so maybe she didn't head straight home once she got to 3rd street. We don't know if she was hanging around someplace in town before heading home.


Mom looked around the neighborhood for 45-50 minutes (along with KK) before calling the police. Police weren't called until almost 11 pm.

We have almost 2.5 hours of time that is unaccounted for. That's a huge head start for a perp.

 

[scandi]

What "sex sites" does she belong to?

Do you mean dating sites (I personally wouldn't call these "sex sites" but you guys might) or sites? (if this is the case, how do you know she belongs to them?)

I'd have to go back and find it but it was way back there. The poster had tracked Mlachester {sp} to a couple of sites like that. Dating or , I am at a loss, but the poster used the work sex. I opened one up and saw several photos of her - nothing too riske but a bit provocative. But I got the distinct impression she was looking for invitations. It isn't my cup of tea so I might have misjudged it. I didn't study the site and clicked it off right away

Hopefully someone else will remember that.

 

[scandi]

We don't know what time she disappeared.. who knows if she was at the park or walking around until 9:45pm, started to walk home and was taken someplace close to home. We just know that she was last seen around 9:15pm on Maple. She knew she didn't have to be home until 10 pm (her normal curfew time) so maybe she didn't head straight home once she got to 3rd street. We don't know if she was hanging around someplace in town before heading home.


Mom looked around the neighborhood for 45-50 minutes (along with KK) before calling the police. Police weren't called until almost 11 pm.

We have almost 2.5 hours of time that is unaccounted for. That's a huge head start for a perp.

I thought on the video today Lindsey's mom said when she wasn't home by 10pm she knew something was wrong and then called the police. Then they went out looking for her. I don't remember her mentioning the hour of 11pm. I could be wrong. xox

 

[Haddie McFaddies Mom]

What "sex sites" does she belong to?

Do you mean dating sites (I personally wouldn't call these "sex sites" but you guys might) or sites? (if this is the case, how do you know she belongs to them?)

There's one listed as a friend on her MS page. It's easy to find, the name and picture of the friend will jump out at you. The comment reads "you should send me a pic of yourself for the site" or something like that, and she must, because and the very next post from the same "friend" says...."Now that's what I'm talking about".

 

[JenniferO]

I thought on the video today Lindsey's mom said when she wasn't home by 10pm she knew something was wrong and then called the police. Then they went out looking for her. I don't remember her mentioning the hour of 11pm. I could be wrong. xox

McCleary girl Missing
Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
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Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend&#8217;s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.

Baum&#8217;s mother called the McCleary Police Department at 10:50 p.m., having waited in case her daughter had run into friends or otherwise dawdled, Patrick said.

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[JenniferO]

There's one listed as a friend on her MS page. It's easy to find, the name and picture of the friend will jump out at you. The comment reads "you should send me a pic of yourself for the site" or something like that, and she must, because and the very next post from the same "friend" says...."Now that's what I'm talking about".

I'll look tomorrow. I'm headed to bed, it's midnight and I have to work early tomorrow.

 

[Haddie McFaddies Mom]

K. Goodnight. But when you look, look at HIM and be thinking about HIM.

 

[scandi]

McCleary girl Missing
Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
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Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend&#8217;s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.

Baum&#8217;s mother called the McCleary Police Department at 10:50 p.m., having waited in case her daughter had run into friends or otherwise dawdled, Patrick said.

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Yes, I heard that wrong. I relistened to the video again and when she wasn't home by 10pm she called her friends house who said she had left about 1/2 hour before. She knew something was wrong so they went out looking for about 40 min and then called the police. Sorry about that but at least it is straight now.

The time put out there for her leaving her friend's house was 9:15 I thought, but that means she really left there a bit later, around 9:30, right?

 

[scandi]

I'll look tomorrow. I'm headed to bed, it's midnight and I have to work early tomorrow.

Good Night Jennifer, See you tomoz. ;}

 

[Bobbisangel]

We don't know what time she disappeared.. who knows if she was at the park or walking around until 9:45pm, started to walk home and was taken someplace close to home. We just know that she was last seen around 9:15pm on Maple. She knew she didn't have to be home until 10 pm (her normal curfew time) so maybe she didn't head straight home once she got to 3rd street. We don't know if she was hanging around someplace in town before heading home.


Mom looked around the neighborhood for 45-50 minutes (along with KK) before calling the police. Police weren't called until almost 11 pm.

We have almost 2.5 hours of time that is unaccounted for. That's a huge head start for a perp.

She didn't have to be home until 10:00 and she is only 10 yrs old???!!! Good grief. I know she is from a small town but it is dark by then isn't it and small town has perverts too. I wonder if she had a cell phone to carry with her as she walked home? I can't imagine letting a 10 yr old stay out until 10:00 at night by herself. I would imagine the mother is feeling a horrible load of guilt and self blame. I know I would.

Have the local LE called in anyone from the outside to help find this little girl and to work on this case? Someone with more experience in cases like this?
I wonder if they have thought of Tim Miller and Co. or some of the foundations who help find missing kids. All of the towns around McCleary are small country towns with the exception of Olympia and Aberdeen. They need help on this case if they are going to find this little girl. Someone has her somewhere. There is so much woods around there and then the freeway is so close. I hope they find her soon. Our children aren't safe anywhere.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I believe that Lindsey is taking care of business, she is an individual, and she is able to handle her abductor (s)
I may be completely wrong, but I don't think that she was an easy abduction
I think she is still alive

We are talking about a little 10 yr old girl. Not an adult that is street smart and knows how to protect herself. How does a little 10 yr old handle her abductor? I hope and pray that she is still alive but the more time goes by the chances of that become lower. Even if she fought her abductor he still has her. I would love for LE to find her alive someplace so she can go home to her parents.

 

[scandi]

Thank you Scandi!

I know this is a subject that has been off limits but in the meantime it also allows a possible perp to be off limits. I don't want to lose my membership here at WS. I value it and all of you greatly. I respect and learn from those I consider "the big guns" daily.

Yes, there are two FL's and they both have major marks against their driving records. That stood out in one of the earliest F.A. posts.

I just happened to wander over to FL & ML's Myspace pages tonight and I felt like it was staring me right in the face and yet there was no delicate way to bring it up here at WS.

I've not seen a current address on these people, or a map in relation to Lindseys walk home.

Hi Haddie, When we first learned about ML she was traced by a poster to living on 1st st. The RUMOR is she has moved and we have no idea where. We learned right away she had a son about Lindsey's age but didn't learn about the hubby until later, at least I never read about him then.

 

[DotsEyes]

ML? FL? 2 FLs? someone PM me with a clue please.

The astrologers report that this is someone that Lindsey knew, a person with whom she had an earlier issue (as in Lindsey was corrected for her behavior type thing), someone who she would think of as an authority figure.

The person works with land, either mows it, landscapes it, farms it; will have speeding tickets; may have just been laid off from job; opportunity arose and he went for it; abducted her by car; is a local; is a strong laborer type; 50-60's; alcohol or drugs invovled.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Couldn't sleep.....so I just had to check if by chance there was any news on Lindsey. No such luck, but I did come across this article & video....not sure if there's a connection to Lindsey. With not any answers as to where she is, we should all look at every possible angle at this point & time. One never knows if it could lead us to find Lindsey. I sure hope that LE question this guy to the max about Lindsey.

I apologize if someone already brought this article to your attention. I didn't read from where I left off before going to bed earlier!

Bystanders beat up attempted abduction suspect
Story Published: Jul 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM PDT
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The incident took place on Saturday afternoon in the 500 block of South L Street. A 5-year-old girl said she was standing outsider her home when a complete stranger grabbed her and her friend.

"(I) scratched him," she said.

The man wanted the pair to have sex with him, the girl said.

"He was trying to make us go to his house and go to bed," she said. "He said it to my sister, too."

But before the man could take the girls away, nearby kids who had seen what had happened began screaming at the man until he finally let the girls go.

The two men, who had been sitting in a parked truck down the street, had witnessed the incident, investigators said. The men grabbed the accused man and beat him, then fled before police arrived. The men's identities are not known.

Police arrested Billy Joe Shank, 45, in an alley behind Tacoma General Hospital. He was bloodied and bruised, they said.

Shank has been booked into jail under suspicion of attempted abduction.

VIDEO: Bystanders beat up attempted abduction suspect
Tacoma police say two men who witnessed an attempted abduction of young girls couldn't just sit and watch, or even wait for the law. "He was trying to make us go to his house and go to bed," a 5-year-old girl later said.

Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50689032.html

Time to try to go back to sleep!
:angel: