WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #6

[SeriouslySearching]

Yikes. This is very similar to what I saw in my vision. The backward hats were so prominent in my vision that I spent a whole day scouring Lindsey's myspace connections looking for guys who fit that description.

I refrained from sharing my impression that they might be picking up victims for the child sex trade; but since it has been suggested, I will confirm my fears of this.

I can't help but shake the impression that there is a connection to Mexico and methamphetamine. I hope they catch those guys!

Great job! Maybe what you were seeing was this incident playing out...altho...I do think it is quite possible it could have a connection to what happened to Lindsey.

As frightening as the reality is about child sex trade/slavery, we have to face that many of our missing children could be there. The case in Florida where they IDed some of the children found in photos of a child ring as being from missing sites is proof. I shudder to think how a parent would take the news of their child being in those photos and still missing. It would be a horrible truth. Do you hope your child is still alive or not? I can't imagine being so torn.

 

[scandi]

Hi. I haven't posted on this thread, but have been reading all along. Somehow I'm still curious about the woman with initials ML who said she helped Lindsey file an abuse complaint. Do we know anything more about that, or have I missed it?

Hi Opie, I've wondered the same thing. She was quite prolific for awhile there commenting on KING5 News. I did read that LE was talking to her - can't remember where I read that, And I think there was a skiff of some sort between her and Lindsey's mom, none of which has been confirmed but has been bantied around a bit for the last 3 weeks.

I'd love to know about the complaint too, and there was more than one occasion this happened acc to what ML wrote. I doubt LE is going to say anything though, as at this stage of the game we all know that silence is best, right? xox

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Opie~ You know I love it when you post. I didn't read it until a few minutes ago, but I don't have an answer either. ML is on the curious side. We haven't found anything or anyone to back up her claims about her helping Lindsey or any signs of abuse (other than the physical fights with her brother).

 

[not_my_kids]

At this point, I would love to believe in the possibility of child sex rings, because it would give Lindsey a shot at being alive. However, although I know it is possible, it's not necessarily plausible.
Not only is rape a gang initiation, but the gangs have also been wanting more media attention, because it helps inspire fear of them. To get more media, it sometimes means moving away from the larger cities, into the smaller areas where these things are less common.
I do believe it's possible that Lindsey may have been taken for initiation purposes and was either accidentally or intentionally killed during that type of incident, but I don't believe there are undercover prostitution rings in McCleary, WA.

Just in case, I'll have my crow well done if I'm wrong...with ketchup.

 

[Track292008]

Does anyone else think that the 14-year-old girl who got away from an attempted abduction, reported today in Tumwater, bears a resemblance to Lindsey?

I think she does.

MOO.

 

[scandi]

That story of the attempted kidnapping is soooooo scary!!!!!
So I'm sitting at the pool at my hotel and this is the second nite in a row that this girl who looks about 14 years old is here....
The past two nights she's been playing the same game with boy maybe about 11...
They walk very fast around the pool trying to catch each other...
The thing is that is a very large indoor/outdoor pool and the way they go in and out is to go around the back door IN THE DARK where noone is and even if you are looking, it's hard to see back there....
And that's like I said IF you were watching her!!!!
Both nights her mom is sitting WAY on the other side of the pool not even paying any attention to where she is and that at any moment some pervert could easily grab her before anyone notices at all.
It's driving me INSANE!!!!
Some parents DON'T care until it's too late...
Her mom looks like a totally normal person too
Sorry for venting....
I knew this place would understand...
Oh and um,
you really should read "The Shack"!!!!

It's just good to see you here Soyesterday, I love your sizzle, snap and the energy you bring. And with some parents the light bulb just doesn't screw in all the way. Just letting her daughter run fast around a pool is dangerous!

And vents are always allowed ;}

 

[scandi]

Quite bold for 2 men to chase a 14 year old girl down the street in broad daylight.

Since these are small towns, it seems that this vehicle will be located quite easily. It will show up on surveillance somewhere. Give LE time.

If I were MB or SB, I would be roaming the small towns looking for this truck myself.

Calling all McCleary residents - go out on patrol and look for these guys!

Hi DotsEyes, Having lived in Lacey before I think of Tumwater as part of the cosmopolis of Olympia as it pretty well all runs together, or used to in the 70's.

Tumwater has the brewery I think that you first see coming up I5 into Olympia. I guess what I am saying is that to me even tho it might be an incorperated city of it's own it has the feeling of being part of a much bigger place. You feel like you are part of the big city even tho you are apart from it too. Make sense So it gives a much different feeling than Elma, Montesano or McCleary. xox

 

[sooth_seer]

Hi sooth seer ~

Yikes is right! These do sound like the guys we looked at. One is on MK's MS page, and from there, one goes to another and to another. They were all groupies of bands that play that crap Satanic Electro Metal music (if that's what you can call it)! Sounded just like the devil to me It's way beyond normal and extremely dark.

I've always had a strong suspicion that older kids were playing a role in Lindsey's life, thought process, and possible abduction. The only thing that kept pulling me back from strongly suspecting any ties with the group and Lindsey's disappearance is that the Astrology Charts are pretty locked into the fact that the man who is responsible for Lindsey's abduction is an older man.

Regardless, the people we looked at should be looked into for the mere safety of the community at large. They were like a cult. They all had extremely weird haircuts that were the same and were linked to the Elma, Hosquiam, Aberdeen areas. I know if they were in my neighborhood, I'd be double locking my doors at night, and I can't imagine knowing one of them, even if a relation, was linked to my daughters Myspace page!

To be honest, between the high number of SO's in the area along with these wierdo's, I think the FBI should just set up a permanent office up that way!

Absolutely. Perhaps those kids are really into the dark side, or maybe they are just naive wanna'-bes, but what they are trying to emulate really strikes a chord with me (as we discussed). I need to go back and see where their town is in relation to this new incident.

See my response below for my thoughts on the older person theory.

Great job! Maybe what you were seeing was this incident playing out...altho...I do think it is quite possible it could have a connection to what happened to Lindsey.

As frightening as the reality is about child sex trade/slavery, we have to face that many of our missing children could be there. The case in Florida where they IDed some of the children found in photos of a child ring as being from missing sites is proof. I shudder to think how a parent would take the news of their child being in those photos and still missing. It would be a horrible truth. Do you hope your child is still alive or not? I can't imagine being so torn.

I haven't done a whole lot of the "vision" thing, and when there is validation it still freaks me out. I trust the Astrologers, and wouldn't want to put anyone off of their theory of the older man. So, perhaps I was seeing this more recent abduction scenario, or something these guys have done in the past? Either way, I'm still counting on a third person to spill the beans, soon.

 

[STEADFAST]

Hi DotsEyes, Having lived in Lacey before I think of Tumwater as part of the cosmopolis of Olympia as it pretty well all runs together, or used to in the 70's.

Tumwater has the brewery I think that you first see coming up I5 into Olympia. I guess what I am saying is that to me even tho it might be an incorperated city of it's own it has the feeling of being part of a much bigger place. You feel like you are part of the big city even tho you are apart from it too. Make sense So it gives a much different feeling than Elma, Montesano or McCleary. xox

I agree, especially considering the crime was on Capitol Blvd, which I completely associate with Olympia.

 

[scandi]

Hi sooth seer ~

Yikes is right! These do sound like the guys we looked at. One is on MK's MS page, and from there, one goes to another and to another. They were all groupies of bands that play that crap Satanic Electro Metal music (if that's what you can call it)! Sounded just like the devil to me It's way beyond normal and extremely dark.

I've always had a strong suspicion that older kids were playing a role in Lindsey's life, thought process, and possible abduction. The only thing that kept pulling me back from strongly suspecting any ties with the group and Lindsey's disappearance is that the Astrology Charts are pretty locked into the fact that the man who is responsible for Lindsey's abduction is an older man.

Regardless, the people we looked at should be looked into for the mere safety of the community at large. They were like a cult. They all had extremely weird haircuts that were the same and were linked to the Elma, Hosquiam, Aberdeen areas. I know if they were in my neighborhood, I'd be double locking my doors at night, and I can't imagine knowing one of them, even if a relation, was linked to my daughters Myspace page!

To be honest, between the high number of SO's in the area along with these wierdo's, I think the FBI should just set up a permanent office up that way!

Hi Haddie, I called information and got the # for the FBI office in Olympia. Called it and they said I had reached the Olympia office which was closed and if an emergency, please call the Seattle office and gave the #.

So they have agents there but it is probably a small office and I would guess they maybe work with Federal cases on government land, like the pot growers and all that stuff.

There were 6 agents called to McCleary tho and some of those guys might have been from Olympia. We know at least one was the hauncho from Seattle and he probably had a cohort. I thought I read too they brought in specialists in missing children.

You know shmo, like we see on my very favorite show of all time,CRIMINAL MINDS. :blowkiss:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone else think that the 14-year-old girl who got away from an attempted abduction, reported today in Tumwater, bears a resemblance to Lindsey?

I think she does.

MOO.

Maybe a little. I am just shocked they would use her photo! Not because she is a minor, but because she could still be in danger. She can ID those punks.

Is it just me because I have heard it before...or does this, "Hey, pretty lady, how are you?" sound like something a Hispanic gangbanger might say?

Also...this indicates there were four men in the truck. She said she didn't see the driver. And only two of them chased her.

The Tumwater girl, whose name is being withheld, says she was walking along Capitol Boulevard to her mother's place of work when the three men jumped out of a black pickup.

They were yelling, "Hey, pretty lady, how are you?" then came after her, she says.

http://www.komonews.com/news/50980987.html

Oh, Gosh...I just had a horrible thought. I sure hope this isn't a hoax by a 14yo girl wanting attention after Lindsey's case.

 

[scandi]

Does anyone else think that the 14-year-old girl who got away from an attempted abduction, reported today in Tumwater, bears a resemblance to Lindsey?

I think she does.

MOO.

They look similar but I think the girl in Olympia is much more developed than Lindsey. Lindsey was on her way there tho, so if she had been walking down the street in Olympia they would have probably liked her too. xox

 

[scandi]

Maybe a little. I am just shocked they would use her photo! Not because she is a minor, but because she could still be in danger. She can ID those punks.

Is it just me because I have heard it before...or does this, "Hey, pretty lady, how are you?" sound like something a Hispanic gangbanger might say?

Also...this indicates there were four men in the truck. She said she didn't see the driver. And only two of them chased her.

The Tumwater girl, whose name is being withheld, says she was walking along Capitol Boulevard to her mother's place of work when the three men jumped out of a black pickup.

They were yelling, "Hey, pretty lady, how are you?" then came after her, she says.

http://www.komonews.com/news/50980987.html

Oh, Gosh...I just had a horrible thought. I sure hope this isn't a hoax by a 14yo girl wanting attention after Lindsey's case.

Your last thought SS, it does happen tho. In Lake Oswego which is like the Bellvue of Portland, the ritzy-t*tsy area, they thought a girl had been abducted. Major searches took place, a lot of money spent trying to find her and they found her up in Seattle I think. She just wanted to get away for awhile and did make it look like there was an abduction. Car sitting there, door open, etc.

Man, they threw the book at her and I think her parents were made to pay back at least part of the expense incurred in trying to find her. xox

 

[not_my_kids]

What do we actually know that links the case of attempted kidnapping and Lindsey?

Geography.
Small towns.
Age of the victims.
(passing) resemblance of the victims.

I don't know if there is a link and I know there might be, but I don't think that this fits with what we know about Lindsey. If someone had approached her the way the other girl was approached, Lindsey's hink meter would have gone off. She would have run, she would have screamed, something. And I think that if there were reports of a black lowrider truck with tinted windows in the LB area, we would have heard about it. I think that is on the list of things LE would have made public.

ETA: I still want a little more outside verification of the Tumwater case, it would be great if some more comes to light about it over the next few days. I feel a bit hinky.

 

[Normcar21]

At this point, I would love to believe in the possibility of child sex rings, because it would give Lindsey a shot at being alive. However, although I know it is possible, it's not necessarily plausible.
Not only is rape a gang initiation, but the gangs have also been wanting more media attention, because it helps inspire fear of them. To get more media, it sometimes means moving away from the larger cities, into the smaller areas where these things are less common.
I do believe it's possible that Lindsey may have been taken for initiation purposes and was either accidentally or intentionally killed during that type of incident, but I don't believe there are undercover prostitution rings in McCleary, WA.

Just in case, I'll have my crow well done if I'm wrong...with ketchup.

Good considerations, imo, a number of programs on msnbc have been aired on the sex trade, not only nationally, but internationally, and a lot of money apparantly can be gleaned from this. Teens don't easily find work these days in a troubled economy, not only teens. The sex trade is clearly a problem, as well as it's connection to methamphetamine and such. I see a distinct potential for some "boss" sending older teens out to draw kids like Lindsey and "kaykay" the one who was attacked in Tumwater. I can understand that sort of motive, as sick as it is. It makes sense to me in these troubled times.

 

[Normcar21]

not_my_kids said:
but I don't believe there are undercover prostitution rings in McCleary, WA.

I agree with you on that, but small towns in direct routes to major highways would be a good way to pick up girls for such crime rings.

 

[not_my_kids]

Good considerations, imo, a number of programs on msnbc have been aired on the sex trade, not only nationally, but internationally, and a lot of money apparantly can be gleaned from this. Teens don't easily find work these days in a troubled economy, not only teens. The sex trade is clearly a problem, as well as it's connection to methamphetamine and such. I see a distinct potential for some "boss" sending older teens out to draw kids like Lindsey and "kaykay" the one who was attacked in Tumwater. I can understand that sort of motive, as sick as it is. It makes sense to me in these troubled times.

I hate to say it, but the sale of human beings is big business. With no taxes.
It's sickening and I know it happens. But in nothing but my personal opinion, I would be more apt to believe gang activity is responsible, if I had to choose between that and child prostitution.

I know that meth and other drugs are a problem in WA, but has it spread to the small towns yet or is it mainly in the cities? There is a definite connection between the drug trade and the sex trade and if McCleary has a behind the scenes drug problem, I might believe the sex ring idea more easily.

 

[Normcar21]

not_my_kids said:
Lindsey's hink meter would have gone off. She would have run, she would have screamed, something.

That is apparently exactly what katkat did, she got away. Lindsey is an independent individual, she had a bad night, she may have reacted differently simply because she was more independent than this other girl.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What do we actually know that links the case of attempted kidnapping and Lindsey?

Geography.
Small towns.
Age of the victims.
(passing) resemblance of the victims.

I don't know if there is a link and I know there might be, but I don't think that this fits with what we know about Lindsey. If someone had approached her the way the other girl was approached, Lindsey's hink meter would have gone off. She would have run, she would have screamed, something. And I think that if there were reports of a black lowrider truck with tinted windows in the LB area, we would have heard about it. I think that is on the list of things LE would have made public.

ETA: I still want a little more outside verification of the Tumwater case, it would be great if some more comes to light about it over the next few days. I feel a bit hinky.

It is difficult to tell what LE will release and what they won't. In the serial killer case recently in SC, they didn't release many things about the truck and the driver (which imo was a huge mistake). We can hope with this report, if someone did see a truck like this one in the area...it will jog their memory and they will come forward tho. LE would be remiss not to put it out in the media.

Again, I have to say that even if Lindsey was being chased...she may have not been able to scream. I have heard it repeatedly where women wanted to scream, but running or the fear prevented it. As I have heard it described...there wasn't time to scream. (I do think it is very possible Lindsey was chased, btw.)

 

[Normcar21]

Excellent question

has it spread to the small towns yet

answer...unfortunately, yes
msnbc has shared a number of programs that show exactly that, meth is everywhere, even in the farmland. My suggestion to you is to visit msnbc and look up "methamphetamine" in the search, you will find the programs