WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #8

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

Omigoodness! Ya'll had me ROTFLMFAO over "operation infiltrate McCleary".....we've all been on edge while waiting for new info......and a good laugh was MUCH appreciated! So I've gotta get in on this action somehow.....I live in Arkansas so I've got the real-deal when it comes to the accent.....and I already have the tramp-stamp so I can spare ya'll the pain that comes with Spongebob iron ons (I admire the creativity, though!!). I normally drive my Celica like it's an ATV, but for such a special trip I'll upgrade to the big red truck complete with toolbox, a cooler of Bud Light, some muddin' boots shoved upside down between the cab and the truck bed, and a couple of dogs to ride up front w/me (all I'm missing is a gun rack and a grill....cause you never know when you'll run across/over something that needs to be shot and/or grilled). Needless to say, baby cousin "Willie-Joe" is ready to head up-yonder for the family reunion whenever ya'll are!!

OK, back on topic now cause I've got a few questions....been a little behind lately....

Are we looking for a white car or a black low-rider truck or both and who do we suspect the owners are?
I'm guessing that the white car is the one that was rumored to be following LB and friends around.....and we're trying to both ID the car and find out who owns it....or am I missing something? Is this where the poster (MB, I think) might be connected or are ya'll trying to connect the "US"es??
The black truck is what the three guys were driving when they tried to abduct the little girl in the other town near McCleary....and we're trying to see if there is a connection between that attempted abduction and LB's dissappearance by identifying the truck?? Or are we trying to ID the three guys? Does the truck that the "ugliest in town" got out of fit the same description as the one the girl gave of the truck the three guys were driving??

Sorry there are so many questions....I've re-read and tried to keep up, but I'm having some trouble because there have been so many different SO's, names, vehicles discussed in these threads that I'm having trouble keeping it straight.....but leave no stone un-turned, right? I want to try and help out....but you guys are much better than I am at finding useful information and seem to be able to research stuff a million times faster than I can, LOL!

 

[Salem]

I called the Santa Barbara incident in to McCleary. They said they would contact Santa Barbara Sheriff's. Maybe nothing - but definitely enough time to get from WA to So. Cal since Lindsey went missing. I am hoping and hoping this might lead to a break!

Salem

here is the article again: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

 

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

And he tried to lure her this way:



It's been said on here that Lindsey was an animal lover, and something like a lost puppy could've have lured her. It could very well be connected. Nothing can be ruled out yet. Good find.

You just reminded me of a television show I watched once....forget the name of it. They would set up different situations and see how people reacted. Once they showed a little girl (she was an actress) swinging in the park with a parent (actor/actress)....then they would have the parent leave after asking another parent (a real person) to watch their kid for a moment.... and THEN they had a guy the child didn't know (also an actor) walk up to her, start a conversation, and ask her to leave with him to "look for a dog"....they filmed the reactions that the REAL parents had (who were asked to watch the kid for a moment). Fortunately, almost every parent stepped in and refused to let the little girl walk away with the strange man.
They did a second variation of the scenario where the little girl already knew the guy who talked to her and asked her to look for the dog. He would walk up and say "Oh, hi (whatever her name was)....have you seen (name of dog)? I can't seem to find him." Then he would ask her to leave and help him look. Even when she already knew the guy, most of the parents refused to let the little girl out of their sight with the "stranger".
I wish I could remember the name of the show...sound familiar to any of you guys?

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

You just reminded me of a television show I watched once....forget the name of it. They would set up different situations and see how people reacted. Once they showed a little girl (she was an actress) swinging in the park with a parent (actor/actress)....then they would have the parent leave after asking another parent (a real person) to watch their kid for a moment.... and THEN they had a guy the child didn't know (also an actor) walk up to her, start a conversation, and ask her to leave with him to "look for a dog"....they filmed the reactions that the REAL parents had (who were asked to watch the kid for a moment). Fortunately, almost every parent stepped in and refused to let the little girl walk away with the strange man.
They did a second variation of the scenario where the little girl already knew the guy who talked to her and asked her to look for the dog. He would walk up and say "Oh, hi (whatever her name was)....have you seen (name of dog)? I can't seem to find him." Then he would ask her to leave and help him look. Even when she already knew the guy, most of the parents refused to let the little girl out of their sight with the "stranger".
I wish I could remember the name of the show...sound familiar to any of you guys?

Not sure the name, but I have definitely seen similar shows. I've seen where they will have the parents inside their house, and the child is outside playing. Then, an actor will drive up and ask the child to help look for a dog, etc. It was surprising and sad how many children agreed to do so.

 

[Salem]

I called the Santa Barbara incident in to McCleary. They said they would contact Santa Barbara Sheriff's. Maybe nothing - but definitely enough time to get from WA to So. Cal since Lindsey went missing. I am hoping and hoping this might lead to a break!

Salem

here is the article again: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Sorry to quote myself, but wanted to update. I also called Santa Barbara Sheriff's. In the article, it says LE made contact with this guy. I let Santa Barbara know about Lindsey and told them that if this guy really had WA license plates that they should not let the guy out of their site until they have talked to McCleary LE. I let them know I had contacted McCleary LE and that McCleary LE said they would contact Santa Barbara.

My adrenilene is pumping here. The SB officer was pretty noncommital, but did say they would keep an eye on the guy.

Salem

 

[jvk]

I am going to clarify what i meant by "a vehicle somewhat meeting the description"

The description KK gave (via kid(s)) was basically a clean white station wagon w/round headlights.

She may not have outright said 'station wagon but upon her description & discussion she reflected a likeness of that being accurate.

The pictures i took had a couple of conflicts with that description

1. It was not clean (in nearly any sense)
2. (closer to) Square Headlights.

- It was a white station wagon

I'd asked KK if the kid(s) possibly said 'round' because the headlights were on. This didn't seem to 'ring a bell.

Round headlights probably being the most telling.

I'd been off/on racking my brain on a round-headlight wagon.

I'm usually not bad w/identifying cars. It only occurred to me today what it might have been.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2717/1997taurus01.png
1997 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4868/1999taurus.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2199/1999wagon.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

- So you may want to take the pictures i referred to earlier w/a grain of salt.

 

[Kimster]

I took it upon myself to make a thread about the Santa Barbara case in order to make it easier to find information.

Poss. child predator with WA plates in Santa Barbara - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Kimster]

Not sure the name, but I have definitely seen similar shows. I've seen where they will have the parents inside their house, and the child is outside playing. Then, an actor will drive up and ask the child to help look for a dog, etc. It was surprising and sad how many children agreed to do so.

I saw a show like that once too. They also said that when you tell kids not to talk to "strangers" you need to be very specific on what a "stranger" means. They tend to think "Darth Vadar" or some scary person.

 

[concentric]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Check out this line of that news report:

"But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed."

 

[Kimster]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Check out the last line of that news report:

But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed.

This part?: Deputies say the man was driving a white cargo-type van with no side windows. They also say the van was possibly bearing Washington license plates.

The man is described as a white male adult, about 50 years old. He was about 5' 8" tall, weighing about 150 lbs.

 

[crmom]

WHATS UP WITH aka's Lindsey's Dad and have we checked the people who may be living with section? Lindsey may have known them well enough to leave thinking she would she her Dad.

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp

 

[Kimster]

OH! THAT PART! Yeah, its not a crime to lure a child with a puppy excuse? WHAT?

 

[concentric]

Yes, sorry Kimster, had to edit!

What is the implied message in that line?

 

[Kimster]

Yes, sorry Kimster, had to edit!

What is the implied message in that line?

I don't know but I sure don't like it!

 

[JenniferO]

WHATS UP WITH aka's Lindsey's Dad and have we checked the people who may be living with section? Lindsey may have known them well enough to leave thinking she would she her Dad.

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp

:waitasec:
I'm sorry, you lost me.

What about Lindseys dad? What "section" are you talking about?

 

[JenniferO]

It's not illegal to approach someone and say "hey, I lost my dog do you mind helping me find it?" Just like it's not illegal to approach someone and ask for directions or what time it is.

It wouldn't have even been illegal if the child would have (willingly) gotten into the van with him. It becomes illegal if he doesn't let the child back out of the car or if he touches the child inappropriatly.

That is why we need to teach our children to never ever willingly get into a car with someone other than who we tell them to (even if they know them)

 

[Salem]

I am going to clarify what i meant by "a vehicle somewhat meeting the description"

The description KK gave (via kid(s)) was basically a clean white station wagon w/round headlights.

She may not have outright said 'station wagon but upon her description & discussion she reflected a likeness of that being accurate.

The pictures i took had a couple of conflicts with that description

1. It was not clean (in nearly any sense)
2. (closer to) Square Headlights.

- It was a white station wagon

I'd asked KK if the kid(s) possibly said 'round' because the headlights were on. This didn't seem to 'ring a bell.

Round headlights probably being the most telling.

I'd been off/on racking my brain on a round-headlight wagon.

I'm usually not bad w/identifying cars. It only occurred to me today what it might have been.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2717/1997taurus01.png
1997 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4868/1999taurus.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2199/1999wagon.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

- So you may want to take the pictures i referred to earlier w/a grain of salt.

Hi jvk - I hope you don't mind, but I am copying your message to the thread on the Santa Barbara incident. I think these pictures would be helpful there.

Salem

 

[jvk]

IMO it might be best to keep them separate, but i guess it doesn't matter.

 

[coastal]

Perhaps SS. I am a III and proud to carry that name.

I was channel surfing he other night and stopped briefly on a BET awards show, where someone was introduced as NAME DifferentName NAME Jr., III.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, sorry Kimster, had to edit!

What is the implied message in that line?

After reading the story you can take it a few ways, imo. They could doubt the girl's story or after the officer mentioned they found and talked to the man...he quickly added that phrase not to spook him. Perhaps they have surveillance on him now and it was said for that benefit.

I would consider it to be too much of a coincidence for him to drive a vehicle with that description, match the description the girl gave to LE, and have WA plates.

However, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question for the girl not to like him for some reason and to have made up the story to get back at him. If he lives nearby, she could have seen him several times to come up with all that information she provided to LE. (Not likely, imo.)