WA - Major security incident at SeaTac Airport. All planes are grounded, Aug 2018

[sorrell skye]

You all have my deepest sympathies and I can only imagine how hard it is to come forward.

And there is a big difference between the suffering you went through, where you wanted to take your own life, and someone who really didn't care about the lives of others. Because frankly I don't think he did care. He wouldn't have taken the plane, wouldn't have flown over the many homes in the area (including homes of people I know), and wouldn't have crashed near homes.

You are better than him, never forget that.

It is hard to come forward, because there's so much societal judgment regarding emotional health issues - but someone's gotta do it. I'm still alive & kickin', so it may as well be me.

I agree that if someone wants to end their life, they shouldn't endanger the lives of others in the process.

 

[PaulR]

I’m sorry Paul. At times, I’m so selfish, I don’t listen. I’m sorry.

You do not need to apologize.

 

[Jackeee]

Thank you Paul. I’ve read so many of your posts, I thank you. I’m Ok. I am daily blessed. Every single day. I don’t understand the mindset of this man. At all. He took that with him.

Exactly. Would: future conditional tense.

Right here with you. x

 

[CARIIS]

It is amazing to me media keeps carrying on about him having no flight experience.

All commercial pilots spend hours and hours in flight simulators throughout their careers.

Machine gun toting mass shooters apparently get quite a large skill set from doing the same thing.

I think media is thinking that these are like simulators from the 90's!

in this day and age their probably is sophisticated games that really mimic what you need to know

obviously the simulators airlines use are sophisticated however he would be able to memorize ( all pilots have to do it) the pre flight checklists

and probably he liked playing around with barrel rolls at home doing that kind of stuff is incredible while at the same time they are pretty much the same techniques (the way one uses the yoke (steering wheel )

the rudders etc etc the acrobatic stuff is like really slamming controls ! Imagine slamming on your brakes !!

I never played doing rolls I crashed before i hit speed.

is it incredible he did in that aircraft type yes

but media endless saying he had no flight experience is just not right

all i am saying here is flight simulators that are very realistic are a huge component of flight training

some of the ones online are amazing! I lost interest cause i kept crashing !!

• Every 6 months, pilots must go into the simulator where they practice emergency procedures whilst being assessed by an examiner over a couple of days.

they keep reporting he was flying erratically he was never flying erratically

quite the opposite imo!!

new standards for flight simulator evaluation and qualification. The new standards are designed to make simulator training and testing more accurate and realistic in scenarios involving stalls, upset recognition and recovery techniques, maneuvers in icing conditions, takeoffs and landings in gusting crosswinds, and bounced landing recovery. The FAA required training for most of these maneuvers in a rule published on November 12, 2013.

The FAA anticipates companies will begin modifying simulators as soon as data packages are available. The agency estimated one-third of simulators to be used for the new training will be modified in each of the next three years. Air carriers must develop training programs using simulators that meet the upgraded requirements by March 12, 2019.

FAA Issues New Flight Simulator Regulations

I am not saying he had this at home ! But this is a real simulator

I did cheat (!) I used the A380 here ( the biggest passenger one in wide use - she has two floors of seats !!

Just look at how big she is

Emirates operates tons of em!!

You can get one for for 375 million (not a typo! ha )

** Pls note at this time the manufacturer is not offering any rebates!

https://www.google.com/search?q=cos...i57j0l5.5555j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8each if you like !



MAL 380 pilot built one at his house!!

 

[PaulR]

I think those quotes are taken a bit out of context, maybe also trying to say nice things about the deceased. Modern flight sims can be as good as you want them to be. Frequently you'll have aerospace engineers and physicists working to make sure the plane flies as it does in real life, since one big target market are people who do fly planes but look at that fuel bill and go

 

[CARIIS]

You can see some of MAL 370 at home one he built!

unreal huh!

mal 370 capotain flight simulator at home \ - Google Search

 

[rosesfromangels]

This was no novice pilot.
As I said there is much more to this story that will be revealed in the coming says IMO.

Those jet pilots saved many lives.

 

[Doghairrules]

All his conversation with air traffic control he never mentioned wife.

I’ve been thinking a lot about her ever since they identified him and I saw that he was married. I pray to god that she had no idea what was going on until after the fact. It would have been a special kind of torture to have followed along in real time.

And I will add this from my personal experience with suicidal depression - it is the hardest to think about the people you love the most and feel the most connected to when you are planning (and perhaps in this case, carrying out) your suicide. So you have to kind of compartmentalize those relationships and not think of them because otherwise you might be diverted from your plan, which becomes the most important thing when you’re in the black hole.

 

[CARIIS]

PaulR

backstory: I was surpised all day about Pauls emotions today. Several weeks ago i was thrilled to see a real computer person on WS. I pmed some questions - he answered nicely and professinally. I must confess however some of it was over head! But that is not the point . I was just amazed today.

His answers were like a computer person !! They generally cant get how we stupid we are!

But when i found out is was people he knew that is a whole diff ballgame

question Paul

I know it will be hard to accurately probe.

But...............do you think your feelings and thoughts would be different if 1 you lived in NY or 2 He did it in NY??

just have a curious brain

I am still chuckling about my misunderstanding skies for guys it was such a bizarre statement the way it sounded!! Just funny .

Some of you know I constantly crack my little ole self with some regularity. Lady love bug thinks dad is ready for lockup and there are days where we discuss it !

ruff

 

[tmar]

When I initially saw this yesterday, I didn't want to look further: thinking 'oh no, not another....'
So really behind, and will catch up.
Surely due to poor security, for this to be even possible, there will be major changes made, to prevent similar incidents.
When a person 'tries' something new, endangering and killing innocent people, a 'copy cat' effect has sometimes occurred, and we hear of similar incidents.

 

[CARIIS]

This was no novice pilot.
As I said there is much more to this story that will be revealed in the coming says IMO.

Those jet pilots saved many lives.

this is interesting to me. I don't think they did one thing! I think they were dispatched just in case --would be interesting to know if he did not acknowledge while under ground control ' command.

they really would have to be very justified to try to do any nudging or anything with the dialog going on . he was in open spaces and risking a mid air by trying to steer him (my sense is the media has this notion that they were like surrounding him and not letting him go anywhere ) would have put the fighter pilots in danger --

Only video of them I have seen was they were far behind trailing him - their supersonic (!) if they wanted to catch him they could have a half a second!

I think they were just there - kinda like a baby sitter!!

 

[CARIIS]

On behalf of the family, we are stunned and heartbroken. It may seem difficult for those watching at home to believe, but Beebo was a warm, compassionate man. It is impossible to encompass who he was in a press release. He was a faithful husband, a loving son, and a good friend. A childhood friend remarked that Beebo was loved by everyone because he was kind and gentle to each person he met.

This is a complete shock to us. We are devastated by these events and Jesus is truly the only one holding this family together right now. Without Him we would be hopeless. As the voice recordings show, Beebo's intent was not to harm anyone and he was right in saying that there are so many people who loved him.

We would like to thank the authorities who have been both helpful and respectful, Alaskair (sic) for their resources, the community, his friends and his family for their incredible support and compassion, and Jesus whose steadfast love endures. We'd also like to thank the media for their sensitivity and acknowledging this as the only statement that will be released by the family, and we request that we now be given space to mourn.

At this time the family is moving forward with the difficult task of processing our grief. We appreciate your prayers.
Thank you.

The family of Beebo Russell

Authorities probe how 'suicidal' employee could steal plane

When I initially saw this yesterday, I didn't want to look further: thinking 'oh no, not another....'
So really behind, and will catch up.
Surely due to poor security, for this to be even possible, there will be major changes made, to prevent similar incidents.
When a person 'tries' something new, endangering and killing innocent people, a 'copy cat' effect has sometimes occurred, and we hear of similar incidents.

i don't know

we would have to have a lot of things line up

an aviation lover

suicidal

lots of practice learning to fly

there could be copy cats like crashing into planes at an airport on the ground or setting one afire == something like that

but folks would crash if they had not some exposure and practice as it relates to actually becoming airborne!

jmo

sadly another thing that might be a real reality is there is nothing to locate or find as far as he goes

if you visualize the aircraft upside down at impact and then the explosion your in super high intensity impact I would think

if we are actually at the point where the crash was started by him then we are really gaining speed because there is no one trying to put inputs in to try to slow the descent

ntsb reports that both wings sheared off at impact

moo

 

[Doghairrules]

It's beyond high time that the social stigma surrounding suicidal ideations, suicidal attempts, and completed suicide ends.

It's beyond high time that the silence ends.

I'm tired of hiding in the shadows, in the basement.

I'm a survivor of a suicide attempt - several, in fact.

I'm a survivor.

Me too.

 

[Doghairrules]

guys

there is def audio on the heavy article that have not made mainstream media

or i missed

have you guys heard the actual dialog with the pilot

(not putting down the gear - throttle needing to be adjusted )

(blue lights ? HDGG button)

I am truly blown away they did give him his own frequency unless he did not know how??

there is a lot of stuff I am hearing for the first time?? Is that me ?

is the stuff you all have heard with all other traffic mixed in up till now all I have heard is him and ATC

I assumed they put him on his own freg

humm the way they released this is making me dizzy and I am on the ground

the comment I have a lot of friends that i am going to disappoint with apology was in the second 30 minute portion media played it like it was one of the first thing he said??

opppps he said the olympics have beautiful skies not guys that is funny !!

I listened to it in real time and the whole time it was interspersed with other radio traffic.

 

[PaulR]

But...............do you think your feelings and thoughts would be different if 1 you lived in NY or 2 He did it in NY??

If this happened in NY we wouldn't have all these tape transcripts because we would have shot him out of the sky. We'd have no idea if he was a terrorist or a joyrider or whatever.

 

[CARIIS]

I listened to it in real time and the whole time it was interspersed with other radio traffic.

wow

until an hour ago I heard it only him and the ATC

we missed a huge trigger for suicide financial

out of the whole thing i have heard the most mysterious is screaming at andrew who is that and honestly it is the only time he sounded delusional like he was arguing with someone he thought was there ??

It was the nastiness he was the entire time

jekyll hyde like

he was gruffly screaming at someone or thing or

 

[CARIIS]

in the video you guys have seen of the crash area do you see trees sheered off

i have not -- that would help us know how it came down??

Fire dept had a real hard time with water on the island

I don't know what you all heard I am hearing stuff i never heard still !!

they might have some serious problems ( the carrier!) he said it took him two hours - but he made it sound like the two hours was about actually stealing the plane

if he is only talking about the actual theft only (not including taxi time) that is pretty crazy

and I am sure that it does not take two hours to move an aircraft out of maintenance! So the image I get is like a really bad parallel parker !

If the video on the ground shows that kind of stuff they are in big stuff - like really noone noticed an aircraft needing two hours --??!!

entire NTSB presser here

the train in the background is mind numbing its like the EveryReady Bunny!!

family presser

was an outgoing star athlete at an Alaska high school.

Coaches at Wasilla High School, where Richard Russell was a football player, wrestler and discus thrower,

Russell was the kind of kid you want on your team. He remembered him as a funny guy who also had a smile and a joke and was a great team player.

Wasilla wrestling coach Shawn Hayes says Russell was respectful and a good kid.

The Latest: Family: Man who took plane was warm, gentle

I really dont understand this

The story was is bizarre as it is tragic: An airline worker who had no business being in a cockpit somehow took off from a major airport in a turboprop passenger plane, dipped and soared in the skies above the Seattle area, and then crashed into an island in Puget Sound.

It was all over in about an hour. But the consequences of the unauthorized flight Friday evening are monumental, aviation experts and investigators said.

The man — a ground service agent identified as Richard B. Russell, according to a law enforcement official — exposed a troubling reality of airport security in the post-9/11 era.

the concern for backdoor operations at airports has been someone buying the id . of folks with access

Getting tired ( I am confident some of you are happy to hear that - thats funny) but as of a while ago the only airport I am aware of that has full and total control of back door is Miami International - that may have gotten better .

the other concern ( come on media really like we are gonna start to see a rash of folks stealing air craft - that is a bit of overkill imo)

Go on YT there are tons of baggage guys opening up bags and stealing stuff - anyone that can in to remove something can in to place something inside.

But the FAA ignores the ntsb chronically . It only changes if what the NTSB warns about changes as it relates to money

if not addressing it will only cost 2 trillion bucks in crashes insurance settlements etc etc - but will cost 3 trillion to fix then nothing happens

but when the cost of not dealing with it hits 5 billion and it will cost 3 billion to address then they will start!!

how the game is played

moo

 

[gitana1]

He doesn't sound like a very religious Christian if he violated the "thou shalt not steal" commandment.

Or maybe he sounds like someone who is mentally ill and not acting like he normally would and is not thinking clearly.

IMO, he clearly did not intend to harm anyone. He did indeed endanger lives, but he did not seem in the right mind to understand that. If he did understand that and did not care, my feelings of empathy would be quite different.

There is nothing to suggest this man was anything other than a decent man who got super sick.

 

[PaulR]

Or maybe he sounds like someone who is mentally ill and not acting like he normally would and is not thinking clearly.

How do you know he was not acting normally?

 

[CARIIS]

Or maybe he sounds like someone who is mentally ill and not acting like he normally would and is not thinking clearly.

IMO, he clearly did not intend to harm anyone. He did indeed endanger lives, but he did not seem in the right mind to understand that. If he did understand that and did not care, my feelings of empathy would be quite different.

There is nothing to suggest this man was anything other than a decent man who got super sick.

at some level it kinda feels like he has total faith in his skills to get off the runway and knew he did not want to harm anyone or anything and was just gonna go up and crash her into the water.

He made no effort to learn landing so all that data is right before us.

and the reality is he self assessed his skills accurately - actually underrated himself a dash with putting on an air show in a commercial turbo prop

I truly beleive fame was not a concern of his at all.

But .............. he put himself in D. B> Cooper class last night and what happened the last 24 hours will live in aviation history for decades.

one of those crappy paper back books with 28 pages of shocking new never seen photos should be out in three weeks !

The motion picture if done well might actually turn into a moving story that touches peoples hearts.

I hope the family is also hearing so many folks online today who thru a microphone found him to be an amazingly bright and warm individual.

Agree with it or not - imo DB Cooper just got company.............................

He was engaging for all we know if things were slow , on a turn around he could have ( like a kid almost ) gone up into cockpits and ask billions of questions of flight crew to understand more fully

HOrizon only uses two types so he could have a lot of exposure to this type

Aircraft In Service Passengers

Bombardier Dash 8-Q400 40 76
Embraer 175 15 52
Total 56

Planes operated by Horizon are co-branded as "Alaska Horizon" in recognition of the Horizon brand and to differentiate aircraft from those operated by Alaska's other regional airline partner, SkyWest Airlines. IIRC pretty sure there history)

Horizon Air was once the eighth largest regional airline

purchased by Alaska Air Group in November 1986 and continued to fly as a separately branded airline until 2011, when it shifted to the current capacity purchase agreement business model.

Basically Alaska keeps all the money from tickets sales and pays all of Horizons bills with a a bit of profit thrown in.

Smaller like this cause they really don't have to worry about how many passengers are on each segment - all their bills are paid. Alaska likes it casue it can feed them traffic from smaller markets . Alaska says all your seats our ours to fill and Horizon says fine - i make the same amount of money if you find 10 people or 78 for flight

A lot of big carriers do this

Horizon Air - Wikipedia

https://www.google.com/search?q=hho.....69i57j0l5.7231j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

thank you all for an incredible bazire day !