WA - Major security incident at SeaTac Airport. All planes are grounded, Aug 2018

[jjenny]

He stole the plane, he flew it, he crushed it. I don't see anything amazing or incredible about that. He could have easily killed people, even the island he crushed the plane into was occupied. By his own admission it sounds like he trained how to fly a plane on a simulator. He had an opportunity of accessing the plane because of his employment.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I'm not sure what your point is.

Here's FSX with the Q400 module:

Ok, that looks really complicated. Jmo.

 

[PaulR]

Ok, that looks really complicated. Jmo.

It is if you haven't done it before. But there are 600K licensed pilots in the US. There are checklists to keep track of everything you are supposed to do - in fact I think the checklists are mandatory.

 

[rosemadderlake]

That's what all of the pilots and ATCs are saying on the expert forums I've been reading. That is, that anyone can take off and fly a plane--the reason for all of the training is for learning to land.

Plus they are laughing at everyone who is talking about his "perfect" aerobatics because I guess they are anything but perfect. It's way to technical for me to understand, though.

Would you be so kind as to post some links of the expert forums. Thanks.

I am finding it hard to believe that just anyone can take off and fly a plane.

This young man had familiarity and training for ground operations, and it's extraordinary he didn't crash the plane over any number of potential populated areas. He could have just passed out from the overload of taking it to the reality level. In no way would I equate simulation to reality, like that. Would it be just as easy to take a car out on the race track to 250 miles an hour?

It was a combination of skills, guts, stupidity, and shear luck...

 

[CARIIS]

I... kind of understand what they are saying. I'm not close to being an actual pilot or working on the physics engine for a flight sim. But his barrel roll was basically what you'd do if you tried it in a flight sim. If you are impressed by what this guy did, go to a good air show. Oshkosh, Wings Over Houston.

I'd bet most people here, if they picked up a flight simulator (and there are free ones), could probably get off the ground as soon as they read the instructions, maybe with a crash or two as they realized that you want to gently pull up.

gently pulling up is not the only deal! I suppose because he was empty he could have just hoped for the best (he knew what he was doing cause he did not crash)

it is ideal ! to know how heavy you are the crossewinds tailwinds temperatures etc. Its not like a gut thing ( oh this feels like i am at the right speed) and yank! ha
\\specific speeds have to reached if you lift the nose off without being at the speed (VI) it wont happen!

v1 is calculated for every flight

v2 is calculated for every flight

there has to be enough air going both over and under the wings at a certain speed for her to be able to take to the wild blue yonder. Basically the wings have to be ready to take over for the wheels and lift the machine up!!

there is a very specific angle the nose must be removed from the tarmac ( which is calculated by tons of parameters)

failure to know what your doing will result in fiery fire and crash

if stuff aint perfect ya kinda end up like this!

just using for visuals - their cargo shifted bad!

 

[Gardenista]

Would you be so kind as to post some links of the expert forums. Thanks.

I am finding it hard to believe that just anyone can take off and fly a plane.

This young man had familiarity and training for ground operations, and it's extraordinary he didn't crash the plane over any number of potential populated areas. He could have just passed out from the overload of taking it to the reality level. In no way would I equate simulation to reality, like that. Would it be just as easy to take a car out on the race track to 250 miles an hour?

It was a combination of skills, guts, stupidity, and shear luck...

Airliners.net, Beechtalk.com, pilotsofamerica.com is all I can remember right now, but I looked at a few others too.

 

[CARIIS]

He stole the plane, he flew it, he crushed it. I don't see anything amazing or incredible about that. He could have easily killed people, even the island he crushed the plane into was occupied. By his own admission it sounds like he trained how to fly a plane on a simulator. He had an opportunity of accessing the plane because of his employment.

but...........................................................he made sure he did not

Ok, that looks really complicated. Jmo.

that is only the start- up! there are a lot more things that need to be done before you lift the nose gear off the runway!!

 

[KaaBoom]

Some thoughts:

1. This was not a suicide, it was a joyride. He clearly said that he wanted to land the plane after he finished his stunts.

2. He was a ground service worker, not a mechanic. Ground service workers do make minimum wage.

3. Who ever said that the fighter jets were trying to escort him to the Pacific Ocean, was smoking some really good stuff, or they are seriously geography challenged. He was trying to fly to the Olympic Mountains and the air traffic controllers asked him multiple times to turn around and come back. He never got anywhere near the Pacific Ocean, and the fighter jets did not get involved.

 

[CARIIS]

Would you be so kind as to post some links of the expert forums. Thanks.

I am finding it hard to believe that just anyone can take off and fly a plane.

This young man had familiarity and training for ground operations, and it's extraordinary he didn't crash the plane over any number of potential populated areas. He could have just passed out from the overload of taking it to the reality level. In no way would I equate simulation to reality, like that. Would it be just as easy to take a car out on the race track to 250 miles an hour?

It was a combination of skills, guts, stupidity, and shear luck...

easy to take a car out on the race track to 250 miles an hour?

that is funny!

Years ago - I could not do the takeoffs!!

Crashing got boring my dear! It was a little fun going off the taxi way - but you know me- my attn span was shot really quick!

on the ones i was playing around with you did not have to do all the math!! On the ones now they have to calculate all the stuff or you crash!!

If ya don't do it right (means exactly right) you hit your tail and are in a mess if you pull back too much you lose lift and turn into a blazing hamburger !!


watching videos on open heart surgery................................

humor is a good thing!

 

[CARIIS]

Some thoughts:

1. This was not a suicide, it was a joyride. He clearly said that he wanted to land the plane after he finished his stunts.

2. He was a ground service worker, not a mechanic. Ground service workers do make minimum wage.

3. Who ever said that the fighter jets were trying to escort him to the Pacific Ocean, was smoking some really good stuff, or they are seriously geography challenged. He was trying to fly to the Olympic Mountains and the air traffic controllers asked him multiple times to turn around and come back. He never got anywhere near the Pacific Ocean, and the fighter jets did not get involved.

He was so authentic he actually said something to effect of

I did not really learn how to land. His tone of voice during the statement was interesting.

I agree the fighter jets had no role - he was not being menacing -he placed himself over areas where no one -was the aircraft was being controlled -he was in contact with ATC- his stated intent were clear

no threat to anyone - he was clearly in control of the machine!

 

[jjenny]

Some thoughts:

1. This was not a suicide, it was a joyride. He clearly said that he wanted to land the plane after he finished his stunts.

2. He was a ground service worker, not a mechanic. Ground service workers do make minimum wage.

3. Who ever said that the fighter jets were trying to escort him to the Pacific Ocean, was smoking some really good stuff, or they are seriously geography challenged. He was trying to fly to the Olympic Mountains and the air traffic controllers asked him multiple times to turn around and come back. He never got anywhere near the Pacific Ocean, and the fighter jets did not get involved.

He said he was a "broken guy" with a "few screws loose." He also said he was going to "go nose down." Clearly suicidal. He probably could have landed it with a help of ground controller if he wanted.

 

[KaaBoom]

He was so authentic he actually said something to effect of

I did not really learn how to land. His tone of voice during the statement was interesting.

I agree the fighter jets had no role - he was not being menacing -he placed himself over areas where no one -was the aircraft was being controlled -he was in contact with ATC- his stated intent were clear

no threat to anyone - he was clearly in control of the machine!

When the air controller was suggesting places for him to land, he responded, “I’m not quite ready to bring it down just yet, but holy smokes, I got to stop looking at the fuel, because it’s going down quick,”

He was concerned about his fuel. If he was suicidal he would not have been worrying about how much fuel he had left. IMHO he was crazy, but not suicidal.

 

[PaulR]

When the air controller was suggesting places for him to land, he responded, “I’m not quite ready to bring it down just yet, but holy smokes, I got to stop looking at the fuel, because it’s going down quick,”

He was concerned about his fuel. If he was suicidal he would not have been worrying about how much fuel he had left. IMHO he was crazy, but not suicidal.

Unless he wanted to keep going. Perhaps he did have another destination in mind.

 

[jjenny]

Suicidal people still have instinct of safe preservation. I have no doubt the guy was suicidal, he said he is going to go nose down after he does his trick and he did just that.

 

[CARIIS]

He said he was a "broken guy" with a "few screws loose." He also said he was going to "go nose down." Clearly suicidal. He probably could have landed it with a help of ground controller if he wanted.

he did not want to and hurt no one as result of that choice !

IMO it is a lot better than the endless stream of mass shooters who want to die and DO kill others in doing so moo

He probably could have landed it with a help of ground controller if he wanted.

pure bad movie fiction!

its two minutes of funny the score was awesome tho!!

 

[Elley Mae]

Ok, that looks really complicated. Jmo.

Complicated?


This is complicated?


https://nypost.com/video/teens-stumped-by-rotary-phone/

J/k

I guess it depends on knowledge, which he seems to have had.

 

[KaaBoom]

He said he was a "broken guy" with a "few screws loose." He also said he was going to "go nose down." Clearly suicidal. He probably could have landed it with a help of ground controller if he wanted.

I believe the full quote was “I think I am going to try to do a barrel roll and if that goes good then I am going to go nose down and call it a night.”

I take that to mean land the plane. When people say "call it a night", that usually means go home, not kill themself.

 

[jjenny]

I take it he meant he will crush the plane and that it will be the end of it. He was clearly not going to successfully land the plane on the tiny island covered with trees.

 

[CARIIS]

When the air controller was suggesting places for him to land, he responded, “I’m not quite ready to bring it down just yet, but holy smokes, I got to stop looking at the fuel, because it’s going down quick,”

He was concerned about his fuel. If he was suicidal he would not have been worrying about how much fuel he had left. IMHO he was crazy, but not suicidal.

He stated he did not practice landing -- he did not expect (suicidal) to need to know to how so he did not practice that sequence

He wanted to do some more flips before he flew her into a safe space where no one got hurt which he did ( as far as we know now)

 

[CARIIS]

Unless he wanted to keep going. Perhaps he did have another destination in mind.

he stated his desire to see the olympics . At first he said i have enough to get to the Olympics

Then he verbalized that he was surprised at how much fuel was being burned