CARIIS
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media keeps doing this wonder if he had formal training -- formal training teaches landing !
"There were some maneuvers that were done that were incredible maneuvers," Alaska Air CEO Brad Tilden said, adding that the airline did not know if Russell had any training. "I don't know how he achieved the experience that he did."
U.S. investigators are working to find out how an airline employee stole
more stupidity imo (waste of our money)
we know how he did it
he works there
in uniform for three years
colleagues would take no notice of him walking toward the maintenance facility
there is no reason for anyone to be concerned seeing him hop on the push back tow
there is no reason for anyone to take any special notice of him hopping aboard an aircraft
that is the how
getting in takeoff que - there would be no reason for ATC to instantly know he was NOT supposed to be in the cue - its like the 6th busiest airport in the usa
pilots make mistakes often - they would have known they could clear it up when they got to it
i def think everyone knew there was something very off the closer he got to the runway - if they release that part of ground control tapes that ought to be interesting,
The only mystery if you will (as it relates to some inevitable lawsuit IMo would be if true ( he stated stealing it took him two hours) that might ought to have been noticed by ground staff!
It does make sense that it would take one person a really long time to do what usually 5-6 person teams do !
He would have to get the tow hook up but the real hard part is there are usually folks guiding them
he would have to have been really careful (slow) in attempting to do it all by himself
then he would have to unhook (again usually a team ) return tow walk back get stairs get on start the start checklist (usually done by two )
that would require him to have to walk all over the cockpit ( half of the settings are on the copilot side of cockpit !)
when we all are aboard things just move along - but our flight crew is being guided by ground control
ground control knew nothing - so him moving about to just to the taxiway would be slow -he would not have had all the assistance ground control provides!
So if the timeframe of two hours to actually steal the plane is true that is the only part that seems somewhat ought to have taken note of
there is no way a pushback in normal situation with a team takes that long!!
engine start is usually done at the gate not in the middle of somewhere near the maintenance facility ! we know they have video will they release it is the question?
I would really love to hear what was going on in the ground control room when the started to try and figure out what the heck is that Q 400 doing THERE?
I would think he would have to ignore them (real panic unless they thought radio problems?) ha I just thought humm he could have just cued the mike and said nothing -- on there end they would def think they had a frequency issue!!
it would also be neat to see the takeoff roll................was it really sloppy? when she headed for the wild blue yonder was it stable lift off or a bit wobbly??
if ntsb had it we would know all this - soon - it would be on the flight recorder - how much thrust he used when he lifted her off if any flap settings were used OR did he just slam it and give it a whirl!
I want my NTSB -- fbi fly away!!
their argument that they need to know if anyone else was "in" on it makes no sense -- he would need no help to do what he during the actual stealing!
"There were some maneuvers that were done that were incredible maneuvers," Alaska Air CEO Brad Tilden said, adding that the airline did not know if Russell had any training. "I don't know how he achieved the experience that he did."
U.S. investigators are working to find out how an airline employee stole
more stupidity imo (waste of our money)
we know how he did it
he works there
in uniform for three years
colleagues would take no notice of him walking toward the maintenance facility
there is no reason for anyone to be concerned seeing him hop on the push back tow
there is no reason for anyone to take any special notice of him hopping aboard an aircraft
that is the how
getting in takeoff que - there would be no reason for ATC to instantly know he was NOT supposed to be in the cue - its like the 6th busiest airport in the usa
pilots make mistakes often - they would have known they could clear it up when they got to it
i def think everyone knew there was something very off the closer he got to the runway - if they release that part of ground control tapes that ought to be interesting,
The only mystery if you will (as it relates to some inevitable lawsuit IMo would be if true ( he stated stealing it took him two hours) that might ought to have been noticed by ground staff!
It does make sense that it would take one person a really long time to do what usually 5-6 person teams do !
He would have to get the tow hook up but the real hard part is there are usually folks guiding them
he would have to have been really careful (slow) in attempting to do it all by himself
then he would have to unhook (again usually a team ) return tow walk back get stairs get on start the start checklist (usually done by two )
that would require him to have to walk all over the cockpit ( half of the settings are on the copilot side of cockpit !)
when we all are aboard things just move along - but our flight crew is being guided by ground control
ground control knew nothing - so him moving about to just to the taxiway would be slow -he would not have had all the assistance ground control provides!
So if the timeframe of two hours to actually steal the plane is true that is the only part that seems somewhat ought to have taken note of
there is no way a pushback in normal situation with a team takes that long!!
engine start is usually done at the gate not in the middle of somewhere near the maintenance facility ! we know they have video will they release it is the question?
I would really love to hear what was going on in the ground control room when the started to try and figure out what the heck is that Q 400 doing THERE?
I would think he would have to ignore them (real panic unless they thought radio problems?) ha I just thought humm he could have just cued the mike and said nothing -- on there end they would def think they had a frequency issue!!
it would also be neat to see the takeoff roll................was it really sloppy? when she headed for the wild blue yonder was it stable lift off or a bit wobbly??
if ntsb had it we would know all this - soon - it would be on the flight recorder - how much thrust he used when he lifted her off if any flap settings were used OR did he just slam it and give it a whirl!
I want my NTSB -- fbi fly away!!
their argument that they need to know if anyone else was "in" on it makes no sense -- he would need no help to do what he during the actual stealing!
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