NOT GUILTY WA - Parents try to kidnap daughter over forced marriage - November 3, 2024 (NG of attempted murder; Guilty of lesser charges)

[Seattle1]

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The “honor killing” may still be on the table if other family members agree with her parents. And the trial has brought even more “dishonor” to her family. I hope she can get help outside her family and “disappear.”

Perhaps if she left the country, but I don't think FA is in danger here. Why would "family" want to risk the same fate as her parents? That makes no sense to me. I believe the nearest family (took in FA's little brothers) is in Canada. JMO

 

[arielilane]

Multiple witnesses testified in the trial that they saw Ihsan Ali choking his daughter near the bus stop outside the school to the point where her eyes were rolling to the back of her head, her lips were turning color and she was losing consciousness. A doctor who specializes in child abuse cases also testified it appeared the victim suffered a seizure during the alleged choking incident.

"They’re screaming, 'She can’t breathe' and 'He’s killing her,' and you hear that on the video," Heather Stone, a deputy prosecutor and lead attorney on the case, said in her closing arguments Monday. "He continues to hold her while she fights and struggles, there’s an apparent seizure, she goes limp and then she’s unconscious."

Some witnesses also testified they saw Zahraa Ali grabbing at her daughter’s neck and appearing to help her husband.

Closing arguments begin in trial of Lacey parents accused in attempted "honor killing"

Closing arguments are expected to begin Monday morning in the trial of two Lacey parents accused in the attempted murder of their 17-year-old daughter.Ihsan and

komonews.com

Jul 28

 

[arielilane]

Court is back in session

 

[arielilane]

 

[Sundog]

Does anyone know FA's status in the US.​

She does have a passport so she's not here on a Visa.

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Do we know for sure that she has a U.S. passport? So she is an American citizen? If so, I wonder if she is a dual citizen, which would put her at risk if travelling to Iraq.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Did the mother ever scream at her husband to stop?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Do we know for sure that she has a U.S. passport? So she is an American citizen? If so, I wonder if she is a dual citizen, which would put her at risk if travelling to Iraq.

During the daughter's testimony it was said that the mother was taking the sons to Iraq for passports and that she already had a passport.

I was curious if she is an American citizen and even as a minor had any rights to refuse to go to a country that the US advises it's citizens not to travel to.

 

[Lilibet]

Perhaps if she left the country, but I don't think FA is in danger here. Why would "family" want to risk the same fate as her parents? That makes no sense to me. I believe the nearest family (took in FA's little brothers) is in Canada. JMO

I’m basing my opinion on a case I heard about that I mentioned earlier on the thread (see below). In this particular case, the victim had changed religions and it happened in the U.S.
Wikipedia mentions that “interfaith” can be a reason for honor killing.

Honor killing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would be “rumor” since I don’t have an MSM source, but I do trust the source I heard it from. I don’t know if anyone was prosecuted.

Hopefully she’s staying somewhere safe and secure, with someone who is discreet, and will not reveal her location to anyone, even her boyfriend. This is a very dangerous situation. I know of a case in which a friend of a woman in hiding thought so much time had passed it would be safe to go visit. She was followed and the woman was murdered.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

@ 7:37 exactly what I had wanted to be addressed gets addressed.

 

[Sundog]

During the daughter's testimony it was said that the mother was taking the sons to Iraq for passports and that she already had a passport.

I was curious if she is an American citizen and even as a minor had any rights to refuse to go to a country that the US advises it's citizens not to travel to.

I don't understand. I assume the mother is taking the sons to get Iraq passports. And Fatima said she already had a passport, but which one? Or both? Sorry, but I'm not understanding this.

 

[Lilibet]

I don't understand. I assume the mother is taking the sons to get Iraq passports. And Fatima said she already had a passport, but which one? Or both? Sorry, but I'm not understanding this.

You have to be 18 to apply for citizenship, so I doubt Fatima is a citizen. I assume she has an Iraq passport from when her parents came here. Her brothers may have been on their father’s passports, but now are old enough to need their own. I’m just guessing. I can’t find any info on how old the sons are or how long the family has lived here.

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[Seattle1]

I’m basing my opinion on a case I heard about that I mentioned earlier on the thread (see below). In this particular case, the victim had changed religions and it happened in the U.S.
Wikipedia mentions that “interfaith” can be a reason for honor killing.

Honor killing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would be “rumor” since I don’t have an MSM source, but I do trust the source I heard it from. I don’t know if anyone was prosecuted.

On the date FA testified, she stated she no longer attends classes online but attends school in person. She feels safe here in the U.S. Although born in Iraq, she's lived here since age 6, and has visited Iraq only once when she was a sophomore in HS. She testified she did not feel safe there, and was very happy to get back to WA State.

I've heard nothing from FA that leads me to think she should be in hiding -- fearing for her life!

 

[Sundog]

You have to be 18 to apply for citizenship, so I doubt Fatima is a citizen. I assume she has an Iraq passport from when her parents came here. Her brothers may have been on their father’s passports, but now are old enough to need their own. I’m just guessing. I can’t find any info on how old the sons are or how long the family has lived here.

Become a U.S. citizen through naturalization | USAGov

Find out if you are eligible to become a U.S. citizen, how to apply with USCIS Form N-400, and how to prepare for an interview and naturalization test.

www.usa.gov

If her parents are naturalized U.S. citizens, then Fatima would have automatically become a citizen at the same time they did. She wouldn't need to wait until age 18. I guess we don't know the parents' U.S. citizenship status.

 

[Lilibet]

On the date FA testified, she stated she no longer attends classes online but attends school in person. She feels safe here in the U.S. Although born in Iraq, she's lived here since age 6, and has visited Iraq only once when she was a sophomore in HS. She testified she did not feel safe there, and was very happy to get back to WA State.

I've heard nothing from FA that leads me to think she should be in hiding -- fearing for her life!

Thank you for the extra information.

Naturally, I hope my concern is wrong.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don't know if this had been posted but it's deliberation time so I'm catching up having not followed the trial.
And thanks to all you who have helped me do just that.

Michael Brown weighs in on Isiah's testimony.
This is a first for me as I've only seen him defending R.H.
The irony is he's talking about "intent" to murder.


@9:00

 

[Lilibet]

If her parents are naturalized U.S. citizens, then Fatima would have automatically become a citizen at the same time they did. She wouldn't need to wait until age 18. I guess we don't know the parents' U.S. citizenship status.

I didn’t realize that. Websleuths is educational.

 

[Sundog]

I didn’t realize that. Websleuths is educational.

I wonder if her parents are U.S. citizens or not. If they've been here for 11 or 12 years, since Fatima was 6 years old, I would think they would have applied for citizenship.

 

[Izzylizzy]

If her parents are naturalized U.S. citizens, then Fatima would have automatically become a citizen at the same time they did. She wouldn't need to wait until age 18. I guess we don't know the parents' U.S. citizenship status.

Thanks!
All we know is she is now 18.

 

[Seattle1]

10/26/24 ARCHIVE MSM

An officer later visited the girl at the hospital. She told the officer that both her parents tried to choke her and she fell in and out of consciousness. She also accused her older sister of aiding her parents during the incident. The girl reportedly told the officer she believed her father was trying to kill her. Additionally, she told the officer that a school counselor was helping her find housing and her plan was to take a city bus when school got out. Notably, the school’s assistant principal served Zahraa Ali a trespass letter on Sept. 17, a day after she allegedly grabbed and yelled at a high school student, according to court records.

Read more at: https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article294560784.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Izzylizzy]

10/26/24 ARCHIVE MSM

An officer later visited the girl at the hospital. She told the officer that both her parents tried to choke her and she fell in and out of consciousness. She also accused her older sister of aiding her parents during the incident. The girl reportedly told the officer she believed her father was trying to kill her. Additionally, she told the officer that a school counselor was helping her find housing and her plan was to take a city bus when school got out. Notably, the school’s assistant principal served Zahraa Ali a trespass letter on Sept. 17, a day after she allegedly grabbed and yelled at a high school student, according to court records.

Read more at: https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article294560784.html#storylink=cpy

The student was FA's boyfriend and I'm surprised she wasn't arrested for grabbing him.
In many jurisdictions grabbing someone would be considered assault.
I don't know who would make the call though, LE or Isiah's parents because he was a minor.
It most likely would have made FA's life even more difficult for her had her mother been arrested.
Putting an protective order on the mother by Isiah's father was a smart move.
imo