Deceased/Not Found WA - Rachael Anderson, 40, Clarkston, 16 April 2010 - #3 *C. Capone guilty*

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  • #141
What a mess the whole thing is. Sorry to hear that there isn't more communication. Has to be hard on everybody. I think as far as LE goes there are just SO many people to talk to they don't even know which way to go, not that that should be an excuse. They should be just as important as the rest after all it IS there MOM!!! Those poor kids.
Thanks for letting us know. Any information is always nice to have.
 
  • #142
hollyblue I see you down there.... are you catching up? Care to sleuth this with me? Or do you think I am chasing my tail??? ;)
 
  • #143
Info123, would it be possible for you to drop off a Rachael flyer at that little airport? It would help the pilots know they should be on the lookout. TIA

Also, we say CC had 2.5 days before Rachael came up missing, but he didn't know that...

BBM...he would know the routine, that the boys would be with their fathers for the weekend until Monday and her daughters would not probably become suspicious that something was wrong until she didn't show for work Monday, so I think he would know he had all weekend before someone thought something was wrong...that's 2.5 days to get somewhere & hide something and or someone anywhere in this kind of area. Scary to think about but I'm sure that would be his thought process if something bad happened and he wanted to make sure it couldn't be found. He liked to hunt/camp from what I understand so he would know all the back roads and remote places around here and there is plenty. I hope they are pressing him and his acquantances hard right now. She's got two little boys that need answers and fathers that need to know what they are going to have to deal with and get them help, as well as her daughters. I hope his friends/church members give up all they know about his last few weeks. This has gone on long enough, the friend he was staying with should have come forward right away about the gun and following her.:banghead:
 
  • #144
BBM...he would know the routine, that the boys would be with their fathers for the weekend until Monday and her daughters would not probably become suspicious that something was wrong until she didn't show for work Monday, so I think he would know he had all weekend before someone thought something was wrong...that's 2.5 days to get somewhere & hide something and or someone anywhere in this kind of area. Scary to think about but I'm sure that would be his thought process if something bad happened and he wanted to make sure it couldn't be found. He liked to hunt/camp from what I understand so he would know all the back roads and remote places around here and there is plenty. I hope they are pressing him and his acquantances hard right now. She's got two little boys that need answers and fathers that need to know what they are going to have to deal with and get them help, as well as her daughters. I hope his friends/church members give up all they know about his last few weeks. This has gone on long enough, the friend he was staying with should have come forward right away about the gun and following her.:banghead:


This is what nags on me. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND lets something like this go! AND would he have come forward if it hadn't been for the guy that sold CC the gun to begin with??? I don't want to point fingers but HELLO, dude have ya been sleepin here or what???? HE WENT AFTER HIS WIFE WITH A GUN..... and that was OK?????
I think NOT .. JMHO
 
  • #145
http://idaho.hometownlocator.com/maps/feature-map,ftc,1,fid,383246,n,holbrook island.cfm

Look at how close it is to where she worked.... St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center as a matter of fact it is rather a circle from where she works, to where the cell phone pinged to where the Yukon was found.....

Anyone else intrigued by this?

That made me feel sick to my stomach. I've lived here for ten years and have been in and out of the area for some time before. I have never heard of Holbrook Island, but as you said, it looks like it is underwater. I'm going to ask my hubby when he gets home, he's lived here all his life. That is not far away from St. Joes and all it would take is a trip on Gun Club (the road that goes from the field down to North Lewiston bypassing all traffic stops)
 
  • #146
Nothing new. Trying to find out when CC's next court appearance is.

Also, does anyone know about a place called Holbrook Island in or near Lewiston?

I ask because I could see him taking her somewhere that would give him a chuckle when he thinks about it. He used to live in Holbrook, AZ, so I could picture him getting a kick out of that.

I did mention that theory to the Sheriff, but I don't know what, if anything, they are doing with it. For all I know Holbrook Island is unaccessable.

Did he ever mention a Holbrook Island to you? I'm just wondering if he knew about it. It doesn't seem to be something that many locals know about but it is close. From looking at the map 141 put in her post, I think it is behind the trail on the dyke bypass. It is semi busy during the day in the spring time with joggers and such, but deserted at night.
 
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I shall respectfully disagree on troubling. He was 19-21 YO kid back then and no doubt did some partying and made a couple bad decisions -- like got in an argument over who those 'shrooms really belonged to. Nothing but a minor traffic violation since then.

Initials only on this guy, no??

Google his name and you'll find out he is respected local business dude with degrees and such now (was easier a week ago before he was attached to this mess and people started going after him -- most hits now relate to this).

Apparently all grown up although I have nothing much else to go on. Maybe still has soft heart for a guy down on his luck, but he DID wake up and use his brain when he found out CC had a gun and was likely stalking Rachael with said gun. And kicked CC's butt out of his house. I think up until then it was doubtful he knew any more about CC's REAL past than those church members running to his rescue.

I give this guy, and the one who sold the gun to CC, chops for stepping up, and since IMHO neither one of them had any direct connection to, or knowledge of, Rachael's disappearance, I don't see them worth going after, at least until LE has a reason to. and if they have not been charged with anything at this point related to the gun sale, or locking up of said gun, it does not seem likely they will.

Just more poor suckers pulled into CC's dark web of deceit.

MOOOOOOOOOOO of course, and back to work!

I agree with you this was many moons ago, and yes, it seems he turned his life around in a very positive way. He had the fortitude to work hard in not only getting his degree, but excelling in his field. His own business, patents, etc. Coming from a family in the scientific field, I know he had many barriers to jump. Picture of a hard working, well rounded, intelligent man with children.
Still, the theft, assault, and burglary tells me of a twinge of violence. That being said, with all the accomplishments he has made, I truly hope he just had a moment of bad judgement.

My concern is how these two---seemingly different minded people came to know each other and just how close of buds were they? People do not let a casual acquaintance share their home, especially if you have children coming over in visitation. He allowed a person to bring a weapon into his house. Not a hunting weapon, but a Glock. (Why didn't he ask CC to keep the weapon at his business--a likely place for a Glock--or did he know he couldn't?) He did nothing in notifying anyone CC was on the hunt for RA with a weapon as a ride-a-long; and, did not ask CC to leave his residence in February when this incident occurred, but in fact, the day after RA was reported missing. CC had to be in some sort of questionable mental state to feel he had to tote the gun along; albeit to stalk.
Again, I will say, I hope he just had a lapse in good judgement for a proven intelligent man, but do wonder how close and what kind of things these two had in common. Was he another victim of CC's cunning and deceitful ways, and just being victimized too, possibly; but why does an astute, promising scientist let a car mechanic reside in his home? What is the connection? Not likely the same circle of friends and associates. Not accusing nor judging anyone, but certainly curious in the oddity of it.
The only thing I have noticed is that they both have made comments on various political/social stances.
 
  • #149
Friend on your post #120, you are responding to anyoldtime48, not mine. His was a response to mine. JFYI. Thanks,
 
  • #150
Info123, would it be possible for you to drop off a Rachael flyer at that little airport? It would help the pilots know they should be on the lookout. TIA

Also, we say CC had 2.5 days before Rachael came up missing, but he didn't know that...

Great idea on the airport/flyer. I think he prolly did the dirty deed on Friday night and rid her with a few hours, but he certainly had alot of time "to fix", clean up, stage or whatever afterwards. If anyone called to ask about her...he already had a answer...the one we got. Maybe he wasn't around to get those calls or just didn't answer; but wouldn't we all like to know his timeline from Fri to Mon.
 
  • #151
I agree with you this was many moons ago, and yes, it seems he turned his life around in a very positive way. He had the fortitude to work hard in not only getting his degree, but excelling in his field. His own business, patents, etc. Coming from a family in the scientific field, I know he had many barriers to jump. Picture of a hard working, well rounded, intelligent man with children.
Still, the theft, assault, and burglary tells me of a twinge of violence. That being said, with all the accomplishments he has made, I truly hope he just had a moment of bad judgement.

My concern is how these two---seemingly different minded people came to know each other and just how close of buds were they? People do not let a casual acquaintance share their home, especially if you have children coming over in visitation. He allowed a person to bring a weapon into his house. Not a hunting weapon, but a Glock. (Why didn't he ask CC to keep the weapon at his business--a likely place for a Glock--or did he know he couldn't?) He did nothing in notifying anyone CC was on the hunt for RA with a weapon as a ride-a-long; and, did not ask CC to leave his residence in February when this incident occurred, but in fact, the day after RA was reported missing. CC had to be in some sort of questionable mental state to feel he had to tote the gun along; albeit to stalk.
Again, I will say, I hope he just had a lapse in good judgement for a proven intelligent man, but do wonder how close and what kind of things these two had in common. Was he another victim of CC's cunning and deceitful ways, and just being victimized too, possibly; but why does an astute, promising scientist let a car mechanic reside in his home? What is the connection? Not likely the same circle of friends and associates. Not accusing nor judging anyone, but certainly curious in the oddity of it.
The only thing I have noticed is that they both have made comments on various political/social stances.

Please pardon if I make little sense or type badly. Functioning on 4 hrs sleep and 18-hr work day, but want to stay caught up on this before I get a wild hair to drive south maybe next weekend.

THAT is indeed the $64,000 question. How do they happen to know each other? Maybe CC his mechanic. Maybe they attend same church.

However, I'm not ready to beat RB(??) up because he didn't have total foresight or clairvoyance. He must have known enough to figure out that something wasn't right since he was the one who locked that gun up. But unless you have witnessed violence against others, who among us wants to believe that a friend, roommate, whatever -- is a potential killer?

My gut is he GOT IT at soon as he found out Rachael had gone missing and wanted no part of that trouble in his life. You know -- that light bulb moment you talked about?

I ain't no dummy (mostly), but I have trusted people who it turned out didn't deserve it. Thought my best friend was "the" one and got a rude awakening, but not all at once, and still wanted to believe he wasn't a turd until there was nothing human left to hang a hat on.

Decent humans (even the imperfect ones) tend to be trusting more than not. Heck, my father could be a true a-hole sometimes and prone to violence when drinking, but that man would give a stranger the shirt off his back, places to live, cars to drive. And they ripped him off more than not. But still he trusted. Cursed them, but trusted.

It's very easy for any of us to point fingers "after the fact" and ask why didn't you do something? I don't know this guy from Adam, and yes, court records show some propensity for violence. Perhaps what he recognized in himself he finally saw in CC. Just a guess of course.

I just don't think as long as he and the seller of the Glock are not charged with anything, they deserve benefit of doubt. In wrong place, wrong time. Made mistake to deal with CC. Live and learn. Don't need to be oversleuthed, but if he gets hauled in and arrested, you can be sure I'll be sleuthing snot out of that one.

Moscow's not that big, and I still have a contact or two there. But I sure wish somebody would weigh in on how those seemingly two dissimilar men get hooked up.

meantime, I'm trying to stay focused on what CC did to Rachael, and if we assume he did her in, where he would have left her.

I wish to to heaven all her friends who swear she would never, ever take off were so wrong. That she hopped a bus to somewhere to get away from him (truly fearing for her life), knowing that her boys were safely with their father.

However, she drove to Moscow that fateful Friday night, and IMO she was not the one who drove the WGMPSUV (white-GM-product-SUV) back to N Lewiston and happened to leave it at a bus stop.

So who did? CC most logical conclusion. When? Sometime that weekend, before it was found. Was she ever in it after her drive to Moscow? Maybe not. Could have offed her there, tossed her into one of his vehicles, dumped her in the boonies or not-so-boonies. Then returned to shop and at some point returned WGMPSUV to Lewiston and hopped bus back up to Moscow.

What did LE see, if anything, on those surveillance tapes from Dyna Mart? Did they take possession of any vehicles from his shop for forensics? Did CC use the vehicle of a customer to dispose of her, and that customer picked up their car Monday or Tuesday, none the wiser?

God, but I wish I could back and tell her to stay AWAY from him completely. Do not take your car to him to have fixed. He manipulated that, sure as the sun shines in August. She was broke, he busted out the window, and in desperation she took it there for free labor.

Why, why, why do women go back to, stay with, or stay in touch with abusers? What does it take for them to wake up? I will never understand that. Man ever hits me, he gets a 1941 toaster in the head (if you own an old one, you get their usefulness as a weapon -- they are heavy and don't bend).

Also -- do you have links please to RB's remarks? I am curious, though in no way ready to go chasing after or convicting him. Thanks much.
 
  • #152
Sister lives in Washington. Spokane, I believe. Mom died, not sure when but musta have been in the past five years. I met him in Holbrook, AZ. His Mom & family lived there. His father lives in Florida. CC was born in NY. Wherever the Amytiville Horror house was. (seriously) After we married, we lived in San Diego. I don't think he was ever in New Jersey.

Amityville, NY, on the island. I lived about 75 miles from there in Jersey. Beautiful and full of history, besides that 1974 bizarre case and the strangeness of it all.

Thank you for all the information and insights you are providing here. Gives us a glimpse of CC. Do you know his age when his parents divorced and how many siblings he has? TIA
 
  • #153
BBM...he would know the routine, that the boys would be with their fathers for the weekend until Monday and her daughters would not probably become suspicious that something was wrong until she didn't show for work Monday, so I think he would know he had all weekend before someone thought something was wrong...that's 2.5 days to get somewhere & hide something and or someone anywhere in this kind of area. Scary to think about but I'm sure that would be his thought process if something bad happened and he wanted to make sure it couldn't be found. He liked to hunt/camp from what I understand so he would know all the back roads and remote places around here and there is plenty. I hope they are pressing him and his acquantances hard right now. She's got two little boys that need answers and fathers that need to know what they are going to have to deal with and get them help, as well as her daughters. I hope his friends/church members give up all they know about his last few weeks. This has gone on long enough, the friend he was staying with should have come forward right away about the gun and following her.:banghead:


Welcome to Websleuths sleutherson and thanks for the family updates!
 
  • #154
Friend on your post #120, you are responding to anyoldtime48, not mine. His was a response to mine. JFYI. Thanks,

Hers, but otherwise spot on!:angel:
 
  • #155
What if we completely disregard what CC has said about seeing her Fri. nite? Does that change anything? Her neighbor saw her leave Fri morning, correct? Has anyone else seen her since she left the house that morning? IMO, I don't know if we can trust anything CC says. The more I think about it, the more I think that he fabricated seeing her Fri night. What if she never went to Moscow? I'm thinking there has to be another way to look at this to shed some light on it. I know everyone here has lost so much sleep on this, but I am going to go back and reread everything in hopes that something sticks out. There is something missing (besides RA) that I just can't put my finger on. There has to be SOMEONE else out there that heard from or talked to her. PLEASE!?!?!?!

What about the friend that she was supposed to meet in Clarkston? Do we know who that was, or if she cancelled? What if it was CC? What if she met him in Clarkston and not Moscow?
 
  • #156
hollyblue I see you down there.... are you catching up? Care to sleuth this with me? Or do you think I am chasing my tail??? ;)

I must have left my sign on on. Sorry 141. I'm with ya, and LOL that is the "tale" of my life it seems. Going in circles.
 
  • #157
Please pardon if I make little sense or type badly. Functioning on 4 hrs sleep and 18-hr work day, but want to stay caught up on this before I get a wild hair to drive south maybe next weekend.

THAT is indeed the $64,000 question. How do they happen to know each other? Maybe CC his mechanic. Maybe they attend same church.

However, I'm not ready to beat RB(??) up because he didn't have total foresight or clairvoyance. He must have known enough to figure out that something wasn't right since he was the one who locked that gun up. But unless you have witnessed violence against others, who among us wants to believe that a friend, roommate, whatever -- is a potential killer?

My gut is he GOT IT at soon as he found out Rachael had gone missing and wanted no part of that trouble in his life. You know -- that light bulb moment you talked about?

I ain't no dummy (mostly), but I have trusted people who it turned out didn't deserve it. Thought my best friend was "the" one and got a rude awakening, but not all at once, and still wanted to believe he wasn't a turd until there was nothing human left to hang a hat on.

Decent humans (even the imperfect ones) tend to be trusting more than not. Heck, my father could be a true a-hole sometimes and prone to violence when drinking, but that man would give a stranger the shirt off his back, places to live, cars to drive. And they ripped him off more than not. But still he trusted. Cursed them, but trusted.

It's very easy for any of us to point fingers "after the fact" and ask why didn't you do something? I don't know this guy from Adam, and yes, court records show some propensity for violence. Perhaps what he recognized in himself he finally saw in CC. Just a guess of course.

I just don't think as long as he and the seller of the Glock are not charged with anything, they deserve benefit of doubt. In wrong place, wrong time. Made mistake to deal with CC. Live and learn. Don't need to be oversleuthed, but if he gets hauled in and arrested, you can be sure I'll be sleuthing snot out of that one.

Moscow's not that big, and I still have a contact or two there. But I sure wish somebody would weigh in on how those seemingly two dissimilar men get hooked up.

meantime, I'm trying to stay focused on what CC did to Rachael, and if we assume he did her in, where he would have left her.

I wish to to heaven all her friends who swear she would never, ever take off were so wrong. That she hopped a bus to somewhere to get away from him (truly fearing for her life), knowing that her boys were safely with their father.

However, she drove to Moscow that fateful Friday night, and IMO she was not the one who drove the WGMPSUV (white-GM-product-SUV) back to N Lewiston and happened to leave it at a bus stop.

So who did? CC most logical conclusion. When? Sometime that weekend, before it was found. Was she ever in it after her drive to Moscow? Maybe not. Could have offed her there, tossed her into one of his vehicles, dumped her in the boonies or not-so-boonies. Then returned to shop and at some point returned WGMPSUV to Lewiston and hopped bus back up to Moscow.

What did LE see, if anything, on those surveillance tapes from Dyna Mart? Did they take possession of any vehicles from his shop for forensics? Did CC use the vehicle of a customer to dispose of her, and that customer picked up their car Monday or Tuesday, none the wiser?

God, but I wish I could back and tell her to stay AWAY from him completely. Do not take your car to him to have fixed. He manipulated that, sure as the sun shines in August. She was broke, he busted out the window, and in desperation she took it there for free labor.

Why, why, why do women go back to, stay with, or stay in touch with abusers? What does it take for them to wake up? I will never understand that. Man ever hits me, he gets a 1941 toaster in the head (if you own an old one, you get their usefulness as a weapon -- they are heavy and don't bend).

Also -- do you have links please to RB's remarks? I am curious, though in no way ready to go chasing after or convicting him. Thanks much.

Here is the article...it's about midway down. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Sea...d-a-suspect-in-her-disappearance-he-had-a-gun

I don't have an old toaster, but plenty of Griswold skillets and old meat tenderizers!!! LOL I was in a "cornered" position and couldn't fly anywhere...being set on the counter did give me the advantage of being the same height as him, as he was a foot taller than me; so the snapping slap didn't have far to travel. I was lucky, and have found myself in plenty of situations that in hindsight I truly believe HIS mercy and guardian angels were working overtime.

I think people are looking into RB, because he was so close to the situation and are curious who he is and like you and me-- what the affiliation is between the two.

Unless you've experienced someone like CC in the past...they fly right under your radar. Women, tho men also must become more aware. Rachael was moved on and swept off her feet with his over accommodating style I'm sure. The only thing anyone can do is TRY to educate the others. The old rules of courtship aren't fool proof, but helpful in allowing you time to assess the person. A healthy respect for yourself 1ST as well as others as a human being goes along way. That little angel of knowledge inside your head saying :waitasec: is your intution and deserves your quick attention. We WANT to trust others, because we want to be trusted. Golden rule.

I'm not totally focusing on CC, as there maybe something we all don't know, or just a slight chance of randomness, but with his past-- all signs seem to be pointing to him. If he did, I think the use of a customers' vehicle is highly up his alley and too convenient for him to ignore. But where he took her is the monumental question with the time he had and thousands of places just within a short radius of his shop. Unless we get a lucky break of some sort, he's going to have to be made to talk and your up against a blockhead guy who retreats back into his shell and chooses his words very carefully IMO.
 
  • #158
I think people are looking into RB, because he was so close to the situation and are curious who he is and like you and me-- what the affiliation is between the two.

We have a guideline at WS I think of as the 'Milkman' Rule. The guideline is that we don't sleuth someone and invade their privacy simply because they happen to know or have some association with a player in a case.

My 'milkman' association comes from one of our admins, JBean, post on the guideline saying we don't sleuth someone just because they happen to be a player's milkman.

Generally, we sleuth only those who have been named persons of interest or suspects by LE or in mainstream media, and those who have been arrested or charged in relation to the case.

Unless someone is a person of interest or suspect or charged person, you can, of course, sleuth them off the board - just don't post about it here.

Put yourself in that person's position - would you want your privacy invaded just because you happened to know someone who was involved in a crime?

If you come across someone and you think they're guilty of criminal wrongdoing in a case, first of all, call LE and let them know! Then, PM a mod, tell them what you've found and your sources, and ask if it's okay to post about it.

Here are some of my fav parts of JBean's 'milkman' post:

we don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman , or postal carrier just because they know the main player. It just gets too invasive and half the time we are not even sure it is the right person.

snip

It will often be up to mod discretion as to who can and cannot be linked, but the general rule of thumb is if they are named in the media specifically as having some role or are being questioned or have information then you are probably safe to link.

snip

Just imagine it is you if you cannot decide and you should be able to figure out if it is ok.

You are free to discuss what you may come upon,but if it is just a lot of gossip and rumor it won't fly.
 
  • #159
BeanE, I'm a bit perplexed by your post. ?? RB was mentioned and his past arrests were mentioned in the media. He had hid the gun and CC was living in his house at the time. I thought I was in abidance of the rules because of this...and am still using his and CC's initials? If you feel we should stop mentioning RB....I will stop, immediately. Please let me know.

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It will often be up to mod discretion as to who can and cannot be linked, but the general rule of thumb is if they are named in the media specifically as having some role or are being questioned or have information then you are probably safe to link.
 
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