WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #2

[Beyond Belief]

i'd also like to know if while getting the directions the folks told her if she turned the wrong way where it would lead her, a deserted beach. I am pondering she was drunk and didn't want to show up at the Castle Rock home like that so she picked a deserted place to park and sleep.

Didn't it say the keys were on the dash? So the door wasn't open by the key or if it was then the key was removed.

 

[RubyRed]

I think now that several days have passed, it is looking grim.

 

[TakeNote]

was it gull harbor rd....or lane...or drive....where the van was found? im tyring to map it

 

[KeenEyes]

This has likely been posted previously, but I include it now in case it wasn't or others missed it, too. Regarding appearance of the step-father on the scene:

Smiley's fiance, Robb Simmons...and Smiley's stepfather started searching for his fiancee and her son after she didn't arrive in Castle Rock on Saturday night.

—http://www.tdn.com/news/local/article_52e58802-3018-11df-a8af-001cc4c002e0.html (SBM)

Article didn't specify WHEN they started searching.

 

[lawlady84]

Is your company paying for these searches?

No, no, it's unlimited blanket access for all employees and we're allowed to use it for personal use - the firm pays a flat fee. Searches are just logged for malpractice purposes, to show work put in if a client asks.

Still I figure with my luck someone on my team will want to see research, and a search on drug laws or something ridiculous will come up.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Another thing: did she get stuck before the water started rising or did she get stuck trying to get out of the rising water?

 

[lawlady84]

Just trying to mentally organize this rather confusing family tree. I assume CE and RE are maternal GPs since Shantina's maiden name is Kanally, though I haven't seen Edgell (or Kanally) in association with her mother yet; of course, with the initials TLWB she doesn't have room for all of her previous names.

Yeah, it's sort of crazy. The person we're missing is Shantina's father. Shantina was born Kanally, 3 years later her brother was born Wallingford. So I am assuming mom was K, remarried, and became W? Or maybe K is the dad's name?

In 1993 mom married JB, and in the article that references her death, she became mom W-B. Perhaps her first husband died? Do you often keep your last name if you divorce and remarry?

I don't know where E comes in? Unless maybe CE used to be CK, and got remarried?

brain. dying. must. sleep.

 

[sorrell skye]

O/T I keep thinking about if anyone ever saw our computer histories, they'd think we were crazy. On LexisNexis the "research trail" is archived by my job for billing purposes... I can't wait for the day someone asks, "LL, why were you looking up washington state criminal and arrest records at 2am?"

LOL - I've had the same thought myself ever since I started following another case on WS last year. I've told my partner - if LE comes knocking on the door asking about XYZ, here's why...

I've googled things I never thought I'd google, all in the name of sleuthing.

But, as Robert Frost said - I took the road less traveled, and that has made all the difference.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Okay time for me to go to bed. I don't know how I missed this. gheez. This entire time I thought "Smiley" the ex-husband was the one the restraining order was against. But apparently, it's not.......

Smiley grew up in Castle Rock, a dwindling Cowlitz County town off Interstate 5. After graduating from the high school there in 1998, she married Robert Jerome Smiley. They were “high school sweethearts,” Woodard said.

But their marriage ended in 2001, Cowlitz records indicate. He is not the man Smiley took out a protection order against.

Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/...e-woman-had-a-dui-and-order-in/#ixzz0iVW09Wze

 

[pufnstuf]

OK...this is about as much as I can figure out. Any corrections, let me know:

 

[Beyond Belief]

I think this lady tried to carry the boy out of the water and she walked right to the deep instead of out. Chalking this up to a freak of nature.
But how I would love for them to show up someplace healthy and happy.

 

[lawlady84]

OR! This makes more sense.

K is mom's maiden name, E is dad's name. Dad dies, grandparents CE and RE think something is wrong with mom, they get custody of their son's daughter, Shantina. Since the brother has a different father, its not like CE/RE could just take him also - they aren't related.

Makes sense! (sort of). Night all

 

[pufnstuf]

was it gull harbor rd....or lane...or drive....where the van was found? im tyring to map it

Here's a map I did last night...addresses are spot on.

LINK

 

[anyoldtime48]

Another thing: did she get stuck before the water started rising or did she get stuck trying to get out of the rising water?

$64 question, since we don't know for sure what time she ended up on the beach. If it was around 10:30, tide was out. She probably only got it as far as deep, wet sand before becoming stuck. Tide wasn't full back into until early morning (6ish??? IIRC), and the van would likely have stalled if she had managed to drive far enough into water before being stuck in the sand.

Since it was found around 10 or 11am and LE says it appears the water had come up no further than seats, reasonable assumption she arrived there not long after making the 10pm call. Also, because surveillance camera at the closed Gull Harbor Mercantile along Boston Harbor Rd (where she had stopped to see if there was operable pay phone shortly B4 proceeding to private home not far south of there) caught her van headed back north on Boston Harbor and then presumably onto Zangle Rd not long after 10pm. Don't know if that 2nd time stamp was ever specifically revealed, but LE did see the van pass back northbound sometime after having headed south.

 

[tarps]

She is a local though.
Currently living in Silverdale.
Lived in Castle Rock.
Went to high school down that way.
The PNW is spread out, an area an hour from me is not unchartered ground. And in the videos she is not out in the backwoods of Olympia, she is on a main drag close to the freeway. I don't think it is a hoax. Just don't think we know what her intentions were that night because she is not trying to get on I5 and head on down the road.

I totally agree, I don't think it's a hoax, but she was way too close to the freeway way too many times to end up clear out in Boston Harbor. I'm sure the police know where she was really asking for directions to by now and are not saying. Whatever it takes to get the case solved!

 

[90Nine]

I zoomed in on the area the van was found. The private road she was on the took her down to the beach is Zangle. It drops right into Fish Trap.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...35,-122.877295&spn=0.006713,0.016973&t=h&z=16

Here is a closer shot of the neighborhood and where she drove down to the end of the road and right into the beach...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...3763,-122.8773&spn=0.000839,0.002122&t=h&z=19

She was about 10-15 miles from I-5.

 

[Beyond Belief]

The van: Its the boyfriends isn't it? Doesn't she have a car? She met him on the internet, could someone else she met on the internet live in that area?

 

[Allyne]

One of the things I remember being ingrained from scouting is, that if you're lost to stay put. If they did end up in the wooded area & she finally collapsed, her son would probably stay right there with her.

I was tending to believe (and even more so after seeing RS on GMA) that they have been having 'issues', that they did end up 'caravan' driving & at some point stopped where it became physical; (thus 'mommy hit her head')...and she was attempting to get away from him. So, even if not ultimately right there on Zangle Road, he would have contributed by pushing her towards desperation.

If she has a head injury, combined with medications and alcohol, she's going to be quite disoriented and having substantial memory problems.

Too many disparities in the times & stories...

Shantina called me twice around 4:15 to let me know she was heading out.
Investigators have determined that Shantina left Silverdale at 5 p.m
..."She said she's getting ready to hit the road and I said 'Okay I'll see you on the road,'" Simmons said. He expected to catch with them so they could drive down together, but he never saw them again....My training wrapped up at 4:30, I figured that she was already on the road heading to Castle Rock, so I proceeds to Castle Rock as well...4:10 she called...o.k. I'll see you on the road. I figured I'd be able to get on the road right behind her & we'd drive down together--follow each other, but that never happened.

According to Mapquest, it takes 2 hrs & 9 minutes to get to Castle Rock. Taking rush hour into consideration, lets make it 3 hrs...driving straight down would put them there @ a little after 7 p.m.

Silverdale - Castle Rock 2 hrs 9 minutes Silverdale - Olympia driving time 1 hr 16 minutes Leaving @ 4:15 would place her in Oly @ 5:45ish

If he did stop to make 'repairs', (did the bike & van collide?) why go all that way & stop with only a few more miles to go?

Silverdale - Toledo 2 hrs 2 minutes

I stopped in Toldeo-Vader to make quick repair, when she called me at 6:45 from a phone. She asked me if I could grab her phone, because she had left. I let her know where I was at.
At 6:45 p.m. she called her boyfriend from a pay phone asking him to get her cell phone, but he didn't answer, Mealy said.

And for cryin' out loud, the media should do a little fact checking...Jed? sheesh!

 

[pufnstuf]

Low Tide: 10:37 PM 1.7 ft.

High Tide: 6:09 AM 14.1 ft.

Water reached the top of the seats at high tide.

 

[pufnstuf]

If the tide was coming in and her van was backed in with the door(s) open, then she would not have been able to shut the doors against the tide. I don't know if the driver side door was open, though.

Why the back hatch would have been open is a mystery.