WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #3

[Jules71]

Ok I think I just found a domestic violence case against RDS dated 1-30-06 by his ex wife MS. A minor girl was involved. If you search Washington Courts for case info - there are a lot of things listed for both RDS and MS. I am trying to look thru them all. He says on his ms page he has 2 kids dj and kik. DJ is his son who he is a scout leader for. Is kik a girl, and if so - does anyone know her real name (just give initials if you do)?

ETA: The minor listed in the domestic violence case is NMS.

 

[BeanE]

I was just wondering if anyone had seen this. This is just FYI. Robb Simmon's Wordpress page states that on March 6, 2010, he took Shantina on a trip on his bike through south Washington & Oregon which included many stops including one to a winery where they according his post did wine tasting & where he even laments not having the room on his bike to bring home a bottle. Among the things you will see on this page also is a picture of Shantina eating pizza from Pete's Pizza & in that photo is a table before her w/ among other things pizza and beer on it. If we put this trip into the context of the time during which he says she "relapsed," it would seem that this very trip could have been that occasion. He removed this particular entry from his blog shortly after they found Azriel's body. But it is still available through internet cache at this address:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...immons.wordpress.com&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The beer & pizza scene at Pete's:

The winery:

I see where he says he was sampling the wine. I don't see where it indicates she was.

What I see in that blog post is one picture where there's a mug of beer on the table in front of her.

No pictures of her drinking. Nothing written about her drinking.

Personally, I prefer to stick with facts.

 

[Jules71]

Maybe he lied because he wasn't supposed to be going with her in the first place.

If the training was scheduled to end at 4 pm and they were planning on going together to visit her step-family, why would she call at 4:15 twice to tell him she was leaving town? And police said she didn't leave town until 5 pm, an hour after his training session ended. Why didn't she simply take him with her?

The more I think on this, the more I'm convinced she hadn't planned on having him go along.

He also said she'd contacted an ex in Castle Rock, wanting to come visit while she was there. RS doesn't strike me as the most confident person around. Maybe that is the reason she "relapsed" and he suddenly diagnosed himself as terminal.

My theory:

Things weren't as hunky-dory as he has claimed. She is planning to connect with people from her past, including her ex. Perhaps the ex was her primary reason for visiting Castle Rock... grandpa DID say she'd recently visited down there just a couple of weeks prior to this. She planned to go alone with her son. RS isn't happy, he's jealous, insecure, whatever. He comes up with this cancer "diagnosis" in an attempt to manipulate her into staying with him, to guilt her so to speak. If he's being honest about what she said in the call he received at 6:45, then she clearly believed him to still be at home.

That he was never supposed to be with her that weekend in Castle Rock fits together all those inconsistent statements he's made, and it also explains why he took off on a 2 hour trip not knowing the address of his destination. It would also explain her actions... I never felt she was truly "lost". By the time she started appearing in all these videos, she knew he was most likely in Castle Rock. I don't think she wanted to be there with RS, and started drinking and driving in circles to avoid having to confront him. It also explains why she'd call grandpa rather than step-family. Perhaps she DID decide to sleep it off in the Olympia area in an attempt to avoid that confrontation.

Do you have a link or source for the info I bolded above? If that is true, and it is the person who assaulted Az previously - I found a family with the same last name in Olympia - close to where Shantina was driving around.

 

[BeanE]

Maybe he lied because he wasn't supposed to be going with her in the first place.

You state that he lied as if that is a fact, but I have yet to see you present any proof that he did.

Thinking that your training ends at one time, and having it end up ending at a different time, is hardly evidence of lying.

I've had a myriad of activities in my life that I mistakenly thought ended at a different time than they ended up concluding - both earlier and later. I certainly wasn't lying. I was simply mistaken about the time.

 

[Jules71]

Maybe he lied because he wasn't supposed to be going with her in the first place.

If the training was scheduled to end at 4 pm and they were planning on going together to visit her step-family, why would she call at 4:15 twice to tell him she was leaving town? And police said she didn't leave town until 5 pm, an hour after his training session ended. Why didn't she simply take him with her?

The more I think on this, the more I'm convinced she hadn't planned on having him go along.

He also said she'd contacted an ex in Castle Rock, wanting to come visit while she was there. RS doesn't strike me as the most confident person around. Maybe that is the reason she "relapsed" and he suddenly diagnosed himself as terminal.

My theory:

Things weren't as hunky-dory as he has claimed. She is planning to connect with people from her past, including her ex. Perhaps the ex was her primary reason for visiting Castle Rock... grandpa DID say she'd recently visited down there just a couple of weeks prior to this. She planned to go alone with her son. RS isn't happy, he's jealous, insecure, whatever. He comes up with this cancer "diagnosis" in an attempt to manipulate her into staying with him, to guilt her so to speak. If he's being honest about what she said in the call he received at 6:45, then she clearly believed him to still be at home.

That he was never supposed to be with her that weekend in Castle Rock fits together all those inconsistent statements he's made, and it also explains why he took off on a 2 hour trip not knowing the address of his destination. It would also explain her actions... I never felt she was truly "lost". By the time she started appearing in all these videos, she knew he was most likely in Castle Rock. I don't think she wanted to be there with RS, and started drinking and driving in circles to avoid having to confront him. It also explains why she'd call grandpa rather than step-family. Perhaps she DID decide to sleep it off in the Olympia area in an attempt to avoid that confrontation.

Btw, this sounds VERY plausible!

ETA: He could have told her the training was to end at 6:30, knowing it really ended at 4:30 so he would be able to get home before she left.

 

[Calliope]

Calliope: I thought I was the ONLY one who felt this way. Thank you for making me feel not like a jerk for thinking this. Please see the wordpress page, too. And there you will find that that this man's photography interest & reason for his bike purchase was to explore this area in detail and navigate down nooks and crannies like the one her vehicle was found in. I believe you are on to something. I also believe he was her enabler & that his reason for enabling her to get f-ed up was b/c he wanted to control her. MHO--just the feeling that I get. His page that listed his activities for that day sounded more like an alibi than a missing persons help cry.

I don't necessarily think he killed her or had anything directly to do with the van being abandoned in that spot. I am convinced now he wasn't supposed to be going along with her that weekend. It's the only scenario that makes sense out of all that he's said and done.

 

[floridaheather]

http://robbsimmons.com/scouting/
http://robbsimmons.com/Flyer.pdf
cached his "alibi-like" timeline:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache....com+robbsimmons.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Calliope]

Do you have a link or source for the info I bolded above? If that is true, and it is the person who assaulted Az previously - I found a family with the same last name in Olympia - close to where Shantina was driving around.

I can't recall if it was in a video interview or article, but he did say the ex was not the one who had assaulted Azriel. I'm thinking it was in one of the radio links someone posted (Ron and Don?). I'll have to come back to this and search a bit on the threads and see if I can find it. I'm leaving here soon and doubt I can find it now, if not I'll look again tomorrow.

 

[floridaheather]

I see where he says he was sampling the wine. I don't see where it indicates she was.

What I see in that blog post is one picture where there's a mug of beer on the table in front of her.

No pictures of her drinking. Nothing written about her drinking.

Personally, I prefer to stick with facts.

You are right, it doesn't outright say that they are drinking together, but they are on a bike together for a 2 state vacation that includes stopping at eateries that serve. Now, if I am in recovery and my fiance is drinking beer and sampling wine and we are staying at a motel together in between riding on a bike together, it's going to be pretty hard NOT to drink. I am just saying. People who have a hard time NOT drinking and are in recovery are taught in rehab not to put themselves in positions like those. He was aware of her condition, and I am not suggesting he is responsible for her drinking, but I think that we can say it is possible or in fact probable that if he is asserting she relapsed a week before her disappearance and a week before it she was with him on this trip where he was drinking, then it makes a lot of sense to me why he would pull this blog post down after announcing to the media and the police that she had been struggling w/ drinking & relapsed. If nothing else it says something about his character that he knew how difficult a time she was having and yet felt at liberty to imbibe around her.

 

[floridaheather]

I don't necessarily think he killed her or had anything directly to do with the van being abandoned in that spot. I am convinced now he wasn't supposed to be going along with her that weekend. It's the only scenario that makes sense out of all that he's said and done.

Ok. I see what you are saying. I don't think he killed her either. I do think that his actions show that he feels some guilt, however. And I can see why that may be the case, too. Thanks.

 

[floridaheather]

Do you have a link or source for the info I bolded above? If that is true, and it is the person who assaulted Az previously - I found a family with the same last name in Olympia - close to where Shantina was driving around.

I can get you this information. It was the EX that said she had contacted HIM by email. There is even a video of the EX after the news she was missing. Right back w/ that!

 

[floridaheather]

HERE ARE THE GOOD LINKS W/ LOTS OF DETAIL:

http://www.king5.com/news/Search-to-...-87648637.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seat...ld-be-sinister

http://robbsimmons.com/

HER myspace: http://www.myspace.com/neiko_82

HIS Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1201642426

HIS other FB: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Silver....4055550895..1

WA WA- Shantina Smiley,29, & son Azriel Carver,8, car found near Olympia 14-Mar-10 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/1...#ixzz0iMRUPRfV

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/1...#ixzz0iMR50YJy

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shantina-sm...0116896&page=2

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0314...,6651388.story

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/FE...-SON-CONTINUES

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...onmissing.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_1....html?tag=page

http://www.seattlepi.com/sound/41682...d87673977.html

http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington/...-87825797.html

THIS IS THE LINK WHERE THEY TALK TO HER EX-HUSB & HER EXTENDED FAMILY IN CASTLE ROCK:
http://www.kptv.com/news/22860661/detail.html

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/1...ays-after.html

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_ki.../48539517.html

THESE ARE THE TWO LATEST AS OF THE TODAY SHOW THIS AM:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/sha...ry?id=10122149
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...07799#35907799

HOPE THIS HELPS W/ THE BACKGROUND

 

[Jules71]

Ok I think I just found a domestic violence case against RDS dated 1-30-06 by his ex wife MS. A minor girl was involved. If you search Washington Courts for case info - there are a lot of things listed for both RDS and MS. I am trying to look thru them all. He says on his ms page he has 2 kids dj and kik. DJ is his son who he is a scout leader for. Is kik a girl, and if so - does anyone know her real name (just give initials if you do)?

ETA: The minor listed in the domestic violence case is NMS.

It seems there is a lot of dysfunction in Shantina's life.

Her Mom committed suicide 4 years ago and Shantina has not seen her step-dad since. Was her mother abused by her step father? Was Shantina abused?

She was involved with her ex CBW who assaulted Az.

She is now involved with RDS who appears to be the respondent/defendant in a domestic violence case possibly against his daughter in 2006.

I am also getting the feeling she and RS were not getting along and she wanted to make this trip without him and he was being controlling and wanted to make sure he was there with her. Beyond that, I don't know....

 

[floridaheather]

This is the one w/ the quote from the EX abt the email. It may even link to the video w/ him:

http://www.kptv.com/news/22860661/detail.html

 

[Jules71]

I can get you this information. It was the EX that said she had contacted HIM by email. There is even a video of the EX after the news she was missing. Right back w/ that!

Is this ex you are referring to CBW - the one who assaulted Az?

 

[Calliope]

Btw, this sounds VERY plausible!

ETA: He could have told her the training was to end at 6:30, knowing it really ended at 4:30 so he would be able to get home before she left.

Perhaps; she was involved in scouts too so she would presumably have known the schedule. I also wonder about the two calls she made back-to-back to tell him she was leaving town.

All along his story just hasn't set right. He clearly had an alibi as to her disappearance (he was with step-father, and police could easily confirm that), however his statements were confusing and inconsistent at the very least. But if he wasn't supposed to be with her in the first place, it all makes sense. It also helps explain the step-sister's post shortly after 7pm on myspace? facebook? (posted in last thread) expressing frustration about crazy people or something like that. Maybe she was frustrated at getting caught up in all the drama.

 

[Jules71]

Is this ex you are referring to CBW - the one who assaulted Az?

OK, it's not the same ex. It was J Smiley. Thanks!

ETA: Actually his real name is RJS, Jerry is short for his middle name.

 

[floridaheather]

Is this ex you are referring to CBW - the one who assaulted Az?

No, this is her ex husband that lived in Castle Rock. Mr. Smiley. She had emailed him she wanted to see him on her trip to see her step dad. He was expecting her. He was really emotional in a video they took. I think Robb prob knew they were going to see each other. I don't know why but my gut tells me he was jealous and desperate. Maybe the whole cancer thing has something to do w/ why I feel that way

 

[Calliope]

This is the one w/ the quote from the EX abt the email. It may even link to the video w/ him:

http://www.kptv.com/news/22860661/detail.html

Thanks

I know I've heard and read it in more than one interview. The more I think about it, I believe he was asked about this specifically in the radio interview --- I think that is where he said the ex wasn't the one who hurt Azriel.

 

[floridaheather]

Perhaps; she was involved in scouts too so she would presumably have known the schedule. I also wonder about the two calls she made back-to-back to tell him she was leaving town.

All along his story just hasn't set right. He clearly had an alibi as to her disappearance (he was with step-father, and police could easily confirm that), however his statements were confusing and inconsistent at the very least. But if he wasn't supposed to be with her in the first place, it all makes sense. It also helps explain the step-sister's post shortly after 7pm on myspace? facebook? (posted in last thread) expressing frustration about crazy people or something like that. Maybe she was frustrated at getting caught up in all the drama.

I agree abt the phone calls & the story abt the phones doesn't make sense either. It was as if his phone had to die somewhere along the way for his timeline to be credible or as a reason why Shantina would NOT be calling him (as opposed to maybe a real reason-like that she was trying to get AWAY from him).