WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #5

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  • #141
What do you guys make of this?? :eek:

(Candy is Shantina's step-mother)

At the following link is a post that makes it seem (IMO) that perhaps Candy knows something she isn't sharing.
http://truecrimes.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=375&t=2263

I don't know what to make of it. It could be a hoax by somebody not even involved. It could be... I don't know. I have to think about this one. It's certainly interesting!
 
  • #142
  • #143
Looks like nothing new in the news to report as of late. I hope more comes to light very soon.

My thoughts regarding a couple of things about this case.

One, wonderings about Shantina's call from the Williams' house to her grandfather in Brinnon:

The grandfather said Shantina stated, "She was lost, really lost, but she was doing fine." It always seemed odd she would be even calling him in the first place. So I wonder if she had actually tried calling the stepfather's house first, but then got no answer because they were out driving around looking for her? Or did she not have the phone number for the stepfather's house because she only had his phone no. memorized on her cell phone (which she had forgotten at home)? And did she not try Robb's because she knew his phone had already lost battery power?

My other thoughts were in regards to Shantina seemingly getting more and more lost:

I wonder if at some point she ever tried to buy a map, since she kept getting lost repeatedly. But then again, is it hard to find maps for sale nowadays? In the old days, I think you could buy one at most gas stations, but I'm not so sure they're as readily available now.

People are incredulous that she could get that lost, but as someone who is terrible with navigation myself, I can almost see me getting hopelessly lost, too--though, I do doubt I would get lost for hours and hours in a small area.

However, I know I am poor in my navigation skills, so I rely on mapquest a lot, and now have a gps. But if I didn't have those at my disposal, and I was lost, I would need to write down detailed directions, and maybe even a little map drawing, on paper to help me.

When you have no inner compass (like me), it is easy to get turned around. It is so confusing for me when people give me directions by saying, "when you get to such-and-such street, go east...". East? Arrgh--Just tell me to go right or left, as I have no idea which way is east. Anyway, maybe Shantina had the same problem.

If she was further impaired in some way due to alcohol, medication, or a medical problem, this could amplify the problem in a big way.
 
  • #144
This is quite a stretch, and yet you lay it out so convincingly. Superb writing, very much like the very best of professional authors.

Excellent writing...I feel like I am reading a mystery.
 
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I just wanted to post this - I had mentioned it a week ago. But I had to go out to Port Orchard and on my drive back this was the rainbow (only half in the photo) but a complete beautiful rainbow over fox island where Azriel was found. I have never seen a more beautiful rainbow in my life.

azriel.jpg


This is the only song in the world that can make me cry...the lyrics may not be exact, but I feel they are nice for Az...the rainbow was really the most beautiful ever. And this is the really most beautiful song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAIKznMPXUk
 
  • #147
When I first watched the interview with Dennis Williams, I thought he seemed odd. One thought I had at the time was - did he or someone else in the home offer to lead her to I-5 by having her follow his vehicle? Why did reports say "elderly couple" when they referred to the Williams? They are not elderly. I also saw an interview with a teenage male at this house.

Another thought, did Shantina follow someone (another car) onto that road/beach?

Hi Jules, Is this the case where there was only one set of footprints leaving the car? I could have this case confused with the one in Eastern Wa. :crazy:

I'll go back and read the previous posts.


ETA: OMGoodness, I was thinking of the Mackenzie Cowell case in Wenatchee Wa, another young lady gone missing. Sorry! xox
 
  • #148
I just wanted to post this - I had mentioned it a week ago. But I had to go out to Port Orchard and on my drive back this was the rainbow (only half in the photo) but a complete beautiful rainbow over fox island where Azriel was found. I have never seen a more beautiful rainbow in my life.

azriel.jpg


This is the only song in the world that can make me cry...the lyrics may not be exact, but I feel they are nice for Az...the rainbow was really the most beautiful ever. And this is the really most beautiful song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAIKznMPXUk

So beautiful... what a lovely, thoughtful tribute. Thank you so much for sharing.
 
  • #149
I can honestly say, that although it does not seem very likely, I have had a strong intuition, a gut hunch, that some third party entered into the scenario. And I cannot seem to shake the feeling.

Same here.
 
  • #150
How does this explain the police finding no evidence of anyone else being in the car?

Unless it was premeditated and someone knew what they were doing - but that seems pretty far fetched.

They found no fingerprints.






Gloves.
 
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One very nagging fact though is that the road/path she went down to get to the beach was an extremely unlikely coincidence, if she didn't already know it was there, plan to meet someone there, or was accosted by someone who knew it was there.

Fact; the van was found on the beach.

I agree, and I think this is a very important issue.

Being pretty familiar with the area, I believe the person who drove the van onto that beach had prior knowledge of the location, or was directed by someone with knowledge of it.

Someone local and/or familiar with the area could know of that beach access road. Someone who had ventured onto that beach from the water might have spotted the road. But it is private--no public access via roads.

Even if Shantina had looked at a map and wondered if there was beach access at the end of Zangle Road, the idea that she found that road at night--and drove down it without knowing where it led--is, IMO, highly improbable.

Zangle Road heads through a remote, wooded area. About 2 miles from Boston Harbor Rd, to continue on Zangle you must exit onto a marked, dead end road. Someone unfamiliar with the road would most likely end up on 81st, since the road curves right and becomes 81st. At the end of (the dead end) Zangle Rd there is a home, and it is clearly private property.

The beach access road would be very difficult to find in the dark and also difficult to navigate. Especially at night, it would be impossible, IMO, to see the condition of the road or where it leads. Not a road most people would risk taking at night if unfamiliar to them. Probably not a road a mother with her child, previously lost for hours (supposedly), perhaps impaired, at some point possibly scared, would choose to drive down at night without knowledge of its condition.

Also relevant is the fact that this is a very quiet, remote & secluded residential area and, again, a private beach. In daylight or early evening, someone attempting to drive down that private road would likely be spotted and, I assume, asked to turn around.

IMO, if someone were planning to go to that beach, they would wait until late at night to avoid being spotted. I also think they would not plan on being there long, i.e. not a good place to sleep or drink, being private property. ~ JMO

Btw, I love reading everyone's opinions & ideas. I haven't read them all, but someday I might catch up! Thanks to everyone for taking the time to share your thoughts and such great information.
 
  • #153
Good thought. This is from RS's website (and he mentions 9:00 PM which is when Shantina and Az were at the diner):

We started to get worried about 9:00pm, I began to check in with the WSP about accidents. Her step father and I drove around the area to see if we could spot her.

My question is which area did they drive around? Around Castle Rock? Or around Olympia?

I took him to mean he drove around Castle Rock, because he talks of going up I-5 later in the night:



I arrived in Castle Rock around 7:40, and found her Step Father’s house. We started to get worried about 9:00pm, I began to check in with the WSP about accidents.

Her step father and I drove around the area to see if we could spot her. I called her Grandparents house in Brinnon with her Step fathers phone.

They had informed met hat she had stopped at a house in Olympia around 10:10, to use the phone, and ask for directions, and let them know she was ok.

We went back to the Step Fathers home until 12:00 when we headed up I-5 to Olympia, we checked the two rest stops on the way back.

We got a few hours sleeps, headed back up I-5 at day break, got a phone charger, recharged my phone, and went back up to Olympia and back to Castle Rock.
 
  • #154
Some Solved and unsolved cases..

1. Lyn Ohana missing from Port Townsend 2005, never found. Middle age, brown hair, small stature, used public transportation/Bainbridge ferry to commute to work in Seattle. She is still missing.

2. Margarett Kirkpatrick, 53-year-old woman found floating in Liberty Bay (Poulsbo). Case never solved. The woman apparently visited a friend's boat Jan. 12 but he wasn't there. The next day he found her belongings and some food, and reported her missing. Her body was found Jan. 15 in Liberty Bay.

3. On the same day, Shannon Lyn Reed found floating near Bainbridge Island, which is near Poulsbo. Case never solved.(suspicious)..

4. 1/09 Lynn Stafford-Yilmaz After reviewing surveillance footage, detectives said they're not certain that Lynn Stafford-Yilmaz was the one who drove her car onto the ferry. Body never found

5. Betty Jean Boyce, age 43 missing from South Kitsap since September 2005. I have done no research at all on her at this point, so maybe she has been found? Have to look harder.

Having a storm where I live and might loose power...

Thanks for this!
 
  • #155
I don't recall what RS was getting fixed for 2 hours/was it two hours? . Did he stay at the place he was at while he was getting it fixed? I don't recall.

I don't know if it was ever disclosed what he was getting fixed or really how long he stayed. If he did leave his Scout training at 4:30 and arrived in Castle Rock at 7:40 - it could be assumed he was repairing his bike for that amount of time. Here is his time line from his website:

Shantina called me twice around 4:15 to let me know she was heading out

My training wrapped up at 4:30, I figured that she was already on the road heading to Castle Rock, so I proceeds to Castle Rock as well

I stopped in Toldeo-Vader to make quick repair, when she called me at 6:45 from a phone. She asked me if I could grab her phone, because she had left. I let her know where I was at. She was in the Olympia area, but wasn’t quite sure of where, Azriel was hungry, so she pulled off. She made complaint of being in the traffic. She gave me the destination address and told me she would be there shortly.

I arrived in Castle Rock around 7:40, and found her Step Father’s house.

We started to get worried about 9:00pm, I began to check in with the WSP about accidents. Her step father and I drove around the area to see if we could spot her.


ETA: RS's time line looks totally fine. It would take about 2 hrs and 6 mins to arrive at the Toledo-Vader exit off of I-5 - so if he left at 4:30 that would get him there about 6:36. Shantina called him at 6:45. At this point he was about 15 mins or so from Castle Rock, so he worked on his bike/talked to Shantina for less than 40 mins.
 
  • #156
According to Shantina's myspace blog, she met RS through myspace. Does anyone know when they met? I see they were living together in November of '07.

ETA: I found something that may be relevant, but I need to try to get an idea of when they met online and in person, if possible.
 
  • #157
Hi Jules, Is this the case where there was only one set of footprints leaving the car? I could have this case confused with the one in Eastern Wa. :crazy:

I'll go back and read the previous posts.


ETA: OMGoodness, I was thinking of the Mackenzie Cowell case in Wenatchee Wa, another young lady gone missing. Sorry! xox

Hi Scandi! Good to see you here! It does get confusing with all of these different cases. My brain is on overload.
 
  • #158
imo there is no way to tell how SS was affected by the amount of missing alcohol from the bottle.....period. It could have been shared, or not. Depending upon her day and what she ate, her stress levels, her water intake....etc.... Two people identical size and weight could have a completely different response to the same amount of the same alcohol than the other, due to their activities in the day. Someone who normally drinks 3 to 4 glasses of wine to get drunk can one day drink 1 and be drunk. The lack of or build up of alcohol in your system over a period of time, and lack of break down of that alcohol in your body could make a difference as to how the next drink may affect you. moo
 
  • #159
imo there is no way to tell how SS was affected by the amount of missing alcohol from the bottle.....period. It could have been shared, or not. Depending upon her day and what she ate, her stress levels, her water intake....etc.... Two people identical size and weight could have a completely different response to the same amount of the same alcohol than the other, due to their activities in the day. Someone who normally drinks 3 to 4 glasses of wine to get drunk can one day drink 1 and be drunk. The lack of or build up of alcohol in your system over a period of time, and lack of break down of that alcohol in your body could make a difference as to how the next drink may affect you. moo

I knew a recovering alcoholic. Unfortunately, he had a relapse. Before, he could drink huge quantities of alcohol and still be (somewhat) alert. When he relapsed, he was extremely intoxicated after 3 drinks. Stumbling, falling, confused. His tolerance was NOTHING like it was before.

I think this could be what was going on with Shantina.

jmo
 
  • #160
I took him to mean he drove around Castle Rock, because he talks of going up I-5 later in the night:



I arrived in Castle Rock around 7:40, and found her Step Father’s house. We started to get worried about 9:00pm, I began to check in with the WSP about accidents.

Her step father and I drove around the area to see if we could spot her. I called her Grandparents house in Brinnon with her Step fathers phone.

They had informed met hat she had stopped at a house in Olympia around 10:10, to use the phone, and ask for directions, and let them know she was ok.

We went back to the Step Fathers home until 12:00 when we headed up I-5 to Olympia, we checked the two rest stops on the way back.

We got a few hours sleeps, headed back up I-5 at day break, got a phone charger, recharged my phone, and went back up to Olympia and back to Castle Rock.

So many questions like why would he say I called her GF house in Brinnon WITH HER STEP FATHERS PHONE????

He never mentioned the time, (like he always did) when they got a few hours sleep and headed backup I-5...Why? And where did he buy a charger? Is there any place that is opened that early???

I would like to know if he called back her GF and asked him if he had caller ID and got the Williams phone number. I think he called the Williams house questioning them as to what direction she left towards. He left when the Stepfather was asleep and he found her on the beach. JMO...
 
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