WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - #16

[Rougelatete]

If your source is right about Sky being killed on October 15/16, it certainly makes the timeline more interesting.

I'm not sure how JB leaving her apt early in the morning on Nov 4 factors in. I'm also not sure how those photos released by police factor in. When were the bank ones taken? Was JB planning on disappearing with M but when she couldn't come up with the necessary funds, she was forced to set up a scenario to explain Sky's absence?

Respectfully snipped. I would take the 15/16th with a grain of salt -- I have no way of verifying it; this is just her educated guess. Perhaps, it's right, though!

I, personally, believe the surveillance photos were taken in November and not any earlier. LE said they were all taken in the "hours and days" prior to Sky's disappearance. Going back farther than November 1st would make it a week or more. I think your guesses are probably spot-on about the progression of things. Good work!

 

[hambirg]

Respectfully snipped. I would take the 15/16th with a grain of salt -- I have no way of verifying it; this is just her educated guess. Perhaps, it's right, though!

I, personally, believe the surveillance photos were taken in November and not any earlier. LE said they were all taken in the "hours and days" prior to Sky's disappearance. Going back farther than November 1st would make it a week or more. I think your guesses are probably spot-on about the progression of things. Good work!

I just wanted to thank you again for what you posted. It reflects what I have heard too. My info doesn't come directly from LE, but I do trust who I have heard it from as being in the know and close to the investigation. And I, like you, have no way of verifying what I have heard. But it does add some validity to what we have both been hearing and trust to be nothing but valid. LE knows that Sky was deceased in JB's apartment. My heart breaks for SM. I know he wants to hold out hope that Sky is still alive, and I would like nothing more than for that to be true. But my rational mind knows it's just not so.

Why Julia? Sky was such a beautiful little boy! He would have been so easy to love. I can't look at his pictures with his big, deep brown eyes and his pudgy little fingers, and not want to just pick him up and love on him as a mother would. I will never understand! There are so many deserving, loving people out there that ache to have such a child. . .and then the ones that are blessed with them don't care, feel nothing and are able to throw their own flesh and blood, that they carried within their own body for 9 months, in the trash. Hell isn't good enough. The fact that JB pretends to be so religious . . .and all of her "church" friends that allowed this to happen and even enabled it, just makes me sick. I know it's not my place. . .but I hope there is no redemption for any of them. God is certainly better than I if he can forgive them.

 

[cluciano63]

I think a confession in this case is very, very unlikely. It sounds (JMO) as though JB is a very twisted individual and if indeed this was a planned crime, she won't ever confess, and I fear that if LE cannot find Sky, she won't be charged. I don't know what can be done in these cases that seem to be piling up, when the victim cannot be found. It takes a great deal of evidence to try to make a case without a body, not least a crime scene of some sort, possible witnesses, lies that can be proven, etc...

 

[Adrienne37]

I think the only way we are going to see a breakdown and confession is if they throw her sorry rear end in the slammer. I would hope that the nasty conditions of the jail might throw her OCD into overdrive and make her so desperate to get out that she will spill the beans. Why is it fair to know this woman killed her son and disposed of him yet she's out walking free as a bird? It's beyond infuriating to me.

I think the 10/15-10/16 date is very possible, the increased computer activity in my mind confirms this. She killed him then attempted to negotiate the trip to Russia or Arizona with Solomon through the attorneys hoping that would work and since it didn't, she went to plan B. I definitely think the Sugar Daddy visit was just that Jash. It would be interesting to know if she ever made any "matches" on their site. The 11/04 trip that Rougeletate spoke of may have been to dispose of evidence

Like I said, I'd be there tomorrow to search that landfill if LE would let me. Surely they've narrowed the dates when the trash was disposed of from that area. I understand a search of that magnitude is very expensive but the recovery of this precious little boy should be utmost in the minds of LE. His recovery is worth any price to me.

I have news for these three women - Julia, Jerice Hunter, Zinah Jennings - hell ain't hot enough for ANY OF YOU.

 

[jash]

I think a confession in this case is very, very unlikely. It sounds (JMO) as though JB is a very twisted individual and if indeed this was a planned crime, she won't ever confess, and I fear that if LE cannot find Sky, she won't be charged. I don't know what can be done in these cases that seem to be piling up, when the victim cannot be found. It takes a great deal of evidence to try to make a case without a body, not least a crime scene of some sort, possible witnesses, lies that can be proven, etc...

This is why I don't understand LE not doing a forensic search of the landfill. If there's even a slight chance that Sky is there (and obviously there is, given that early on the FBI had a section of the landfill preserved) then why not start going through it. I realize it will be painstaking task, but they are more likely to get answers there than from JB or those protecting her. I wonder if that part of the landfill is still being preserved.

Link to Nov. 14 article:

At the request of the FBI, a portion of the Cedar Falls Landfill remains cordoned off to new shipments of garbage. Last week, police said they had been in contact with the landfill's managers and wanted to protect any potential evidence that may have been tossed out at Biryukova's Redmond apartment.

ETA: It just dawned on me that if Sky was killed and disposed of 2-3 weeks prior to being reported missing, there may not be anything of value in that section of the landfill. Perhaps that explains why LE is not searching it with a fine-tooth comb.

 

[Rougelatete]

ETA: It just dawned on me that if Sky was killed and disposed of 2-3 weeks prior to being reported missing, there may not be anything of value in that section of the landfill. Perhaps that explains why LE is not searching it with a fine-tooth comb.

Respectfully snipped. It would be in a different part of the landfill or it would be under more stuff in the same section of landfill? I hope it's not in a whole different section! That would be really hard to deal with.

 

[Rougelatete]

Thanks to Cocomod & Bree0372 for your support!! I am so grateful for the people on this forum because the goodness they bring helps balance the evil in this world. We need gentle reminders that the world is still good -- thank you for your gentle reminders.

 

[jjenny]

It's possible to get a conviction without a body. Recently a man was convicted for killing his son even though the body was never found. But obviously it's difficult, and because JB was pretty reclusive prior to Sky going missing, there are no witnesses to anything (apparently). Of course court helped in that preventing children's father from even making sure the children were still there.

 

[etkay]

I wonder if LE has checked to see if JB has a Zipcar account. There are couple of cars in Redmond and I just find it hard to believe that if she did need to dispose of a body (I hate typing that), she did so without a car. The cadaver dogs checked her brother's car, and we know they didn't pick up Sky's scent. Zipcars are common around here and she would be aware of the option, imo.

Just a thought...

 

[LCoastMom]

JB's attempt to fool SB with her desire to move to AZ or Russia has struck a cord with me since we first heard them. AZ or Russia is like saying I'm going next door or I'm taking a trip to the moon, or I want a PB&J sandwich or filet minion with lobster tails. IMO just another piece of the puzzle that didn't fit the story.

I'm so sad Sky was left with her for so long without anyone looking out for his well being. A mother who could put her baby boy in the trash is worse than no mother at all. I hope she is never allowed contact with little M but I worry that if she is never prosecuted it will only be a matter of time before she once again has at least partial custody.

 

[LCoastMom]

I wonder if LE has checked to see if JB has a Zipcar account. There are couple of cars in Redmond and I just find it hard to believe that if she did need to dispose of a body (I hate typing that), she did so without a car. The cadaver dogs checked her brother's car, and we know they didn't pick up Sky's scent. Zipcars are common around here and she would be aware of the option, imo.

Just a thought...

If she used the trash bins at her apt she didn't need a car, IIRC they even have trash shoots. (Sorry that hurt to write too.)

 

[cluciano63]

It's possible to get a conviction without a body. Recently a man was convicted for killing his son even though the body was never found. But obviously it's difficult, and because JB was pretty reclusive prior to Sky going missing, there are no witnesses to anything (apparently). Of course court helped in that preventing children's father from even making sure the children were still there.

Can you elaborate on which case you are talking about? There are so few cases without a body involving children being charged, that I am aware of, I want to see what evidence they did have, thanks.

 

[Rougelatete]

If she used the trash bins at her apt she didn't need a car, IIRC they even have trash shoots. (Sorry that hurt to write too.)

Yes, the Veloce Apartment building has trash chutes and the dumpsters get emptied every Friday, with the trash being brought to Cedar Hills Regional Landfill, possibly Trench #5.

Search & Seek -- is there any way for locals to search the landfill with the permission of LE? If they're not going to to do it, maybe someone else could?

:websleuther:

 

[gitana1]

So if the class runs for a year to 18 months, SM would have to pay and attend, but would not be able to see the children during that time? The protection order was for one year, so one can see why it doesn't make sense.
The protection order was going to expire before he completed this program.

Not uncommon situation, as the protection order could be renewed if there were any further episodes of DV (documented by LE). Protection orders are put into place to keep Perps away from victims for a period of time to allow them to calm down. Often protection orders will be only for 30 days, and the victim can petition the court for a one year order (if it is warranted). The hope is that with time and distance, the issues will not be present and people can get along.

Often protection orders expire while Perp is attending classes. If there are no further issues, the Perp can petition the court and say I have completed my court ordered treatment and complied with all protection orders. I am no longer a threat to this person and have learned from my mistakes and want to re-establish a relationship with my children, etc.

Yes, but if they haven't completed or started the programs, they will be unlikely to be granted a change in the child custody orders. Thus, Solomon would have not been able to see his kids until he at least started the programs, even after the restraining order expired.

Thanks for the info Rougelatete! It's heartbreaking to find out that some of the theories on here may prove to be reality, but this has gone on far too long. SM, M and all the others who loved Sky deserve answers.

I had previously read that JB left her apartment after the Facebook post early on Nov 4th (I think Robert A posted it somewhere) but as I couldn't trace it back to a source or any evidence, I discounted it.

If your source is right about Sky being killed on October 15/16, it certainly makes the timeline more interesting.

I believe the neighbour claimed to have seen Sky between Oct 15 and Oct 23 (I've read different accounts). If true, this person may have witnessed Sky's final hours.

Around Oct 25, JB proposed waiving support if she could take the kids to Scottsdale or Russia. As someone on here guessed, that may have been a desperate attempt to avoid having to produce both children and thus exposing Sky's absence.

On Oct 26, JB last accessed the sugar daddy site. Was she hoping to get some money to flee with M and leave all her problems behind?

Around Oct 27, JB borrows her brother's car for 10 days. I'm not sure what her intentions were at that time (could have been a way to disappear with M and avoid answering questions) but ultimately this car enabled her to stage the disappearance.

On Nov 1/2, JB attends the mediation and for nearly 12 hours, she digs in her heels and refuses to agree to anything. This tells me she had not come up with a plan yet. Eventually she is worn down and agrees.

On Nov 4, SM's attorneys are notified that JB felt pressured at the mediation and she is backing out of the agreement. Again, I think she was stalling for time because she didn't have a plan yet.

On Nov 5, that Law & Order SVU episode re-airs (originally aired on Oct 19). I think this is where she came up with her plan. As Clay Terry said in an article recently, JB isn't creative.

On Nov 6, Sky is reported missing, supposedly after being left in the car.

I'm not sure how JB leaving her apt early in the morning on Nov 4 factors in. I'm also not sure how those photos released by police factor in. When were the bank ones taken? Was JB planning on disappearing with M but when she couldn't come up with the necessary funds, she was forced to set up a scenario to explain Sky's absence?

Ugh, I'm so sick of trying to think like this woman. I too think LE needs to search the landfill asap. I imagine the longer they wait, the less likely a cause of death can be determined (though maybe we're beyond that point anyway). I cannot stand to see a repeat of the CA case!

I love your timeline, Jash.

I think a confession in this case is very, very unlikely. It sounds (JMO) as though JB is a very twisted individual and if indeed this was a planned crime, she won't ever confess, and I fear that if LE cannot find Sky, she won't be charged. I don't know what can be done in these cases that seem to be piling up, when the victim cannot be found. It takes a great deal of evidence to try to make a case without a body, not least a crime scene of some sort, possible witnesses, lies that can be proven, etc...

I agree. But, question for Rougelatete, I think I have asked before but this woman has some serious mental issues. I would think that she would have some sort of breaking point, need to be hospitalized, something, after committing such an act. It's hard enough for murderers who are sane to go on with life after killing someone. I would think it would be even harder for someone with significant mental problems. What do you say, Rouge?

This is why I don't understand LE not doing a forensic search of the landfill. If there's even a slight chance that Sky is there (and obviously there is, given that early on the FBI had a section of the landfill preserved) then why not start going through it. I realize it will be painstaking task, but they are more likely to get answers there than from JB or those protecting her. I wonder if that part of the landfill is still being preserved.

Link to Nov. 14 article:


ETA: It just dawned on me that if Sky was killed and disposed of 2-3 weeks prior to being reported missing, there may not be anything of value in that section of the landfill. Perhaps that explains why LE is not searching it with a fine-tooth comb.

I want them to search as well. But such searches are very costly. And not knowing when she may have disposed of him makes an extremely difficult task almost impossible.

I have mentioned in either this thread or Jhessye's thread how difficult it is. In the Lori Hacking case, they knew exactly when Lori was murdered and disposed of and which trash receptacle she was transported in and thus, which grid of landfill they needed to search. Yet:

Mark Hacking Charged With Wife's Murder - Aug. 9, 2004
A first-degree murder charge was filed against Mark Hacking, who according to police sources confessed to his brothers that he shot his wife in the head and threw her body in a trash bin. Lori Hacking's body has not been found, despite numerous searches of a local landfill.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/hacking_2.htm

Finally:

Police who had been picking through the trash for weeks in search of a clue to Hacking's whereabouts found her body in a landfill Friday afternoon. The state medical examiner's office used dental records to identify the remains, about six hours after they were discovered.

The discovery came on the 33rd working day of a search of 4,600 tons of garbage. Over the past weeks, investigators used cadaver dogs and brought in garden rakes to comb through the trash. About 20 law enforcement found the remains on Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134233,00.html

LE simply does not know where to look for Sky. And even if they did, it would be miraculous to find him.

In another case, the mother was found in a landfill but the little girl never was:

Jennifer's remains were discovered in the Mesa County landfill on June 5, 2002. There was no evidence of Abby's body at the scene and authorities are not certain if her remains will be located in the future.


Investigators stated that Jennifer's body was located in landfill trash collected from Michael's former employer in November 2001. One of his former co-workers told authorities that he saw Michael pushing a pallet jack with two large-sized cardboard boxes on it on the day he reported Jennifer and Abby as missing. The witness stated that Michael discarded the items on the loading dock near Ametek Inc.s' trash compactor. Michael refused an offer of assistance with the boxes, which was uncharacteristic of his behavior.

http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=abbyjo&action=print&thread=1419 (Emphasis by me).

GRAND JUNCTION, COLORADO - Investigators on Monday resumed their search for a missing girl at a landfill where her mother's body was found last week.

Investigators remained hopeful but have found no clues since they identified the body of Abby's mother, Jennifer Blagg, in the dump on Wednesday. Police said she had been shot to death.

``If Abby is in the landfill and was in that same load of refuse, the bulldozers spread it out over quite a large area,'' said Janet Prell, spokeswoman for the Mesa County sheriff. ``Abby could be quite far from her mother.''

Authorities said it could take weeks to finish sorting through the 7,000 tons of trash in the search area at the landfill.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=193741&c=2

Although LE knew the father killed Abby too, they never found her. He was charged and convicted for the mother's murder only.

I understand why they are not searching the landfill for Sky.

 

[PaulR]

Search & Seek -- is there any way for locals to search the landfill with the permission of LE? If they're not going to to do it, maybe someone else could?

:websleuther:

I drove near the landfill for some volunteer work a few years ago. It's a BIG landfill - you are talking the trash for the greater Seattle metro area.

I'd want to have at least professionals working there helping the volunteers out, otherwise they could just make it worse.

 

[Rougelatete]

Jash ~ I hope you don't mind but I merged your timeline with one I drew up previously, hoping that something would come of it. Thank you in advance!!


Updated Timeline:

* September 27, 2010: SM and JB appear before the courts and shared custody is rendered. JB is "primary parent"; temporary DSMS protective order and temporary restraining order issued (not sure against whom?)
* September 28, 2010: JB rejoices on facebook that she was deemed "the primary parent" by the courts
~early Oct 2010 - JB goes to police and says SM is planning to take M out of state*
* October 28, 2010: "Exchange from hell" audio recording
* November 5, 2010: Second audio recording of exchange
* Nov-Dec, 2010: JB accuses SM of abusing Sky and M
* Dec 14, 2010: PET order for protection, temporary order for protection issued
* Dec 28, 2010: Order reissuing temporary protective order
* January 6, 2011: SM takes polygraph re abuse
* Mar 3, 2011: Order for Protection and Temporary Restraining Order issued (against SM I assume, the court info doesn't specify)
* August 31, 2011: JB is listed as a defendent in a complaint filed in King County Superior Court (likely for SM’s store)
* September 21, 2011: another notice of unlawful detainer in the court records
* October 14th: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments (I called to verify)
* October 15th or 16th: Neighbor claims to see Sky; my source believes JB killed Sky sometime during these two days (unverified)
* October 19th: SVU "Missing Pieces" airs
* October 21st: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments
*October 24th: JB proposed waiving support if she could take the kids to Scottsdale or Russia. As someone on here guessed, that may have been a desperate attempt to avoid having to produce both children and thus exposing Sky's absence.
* October 26th: JB accesses Sugar Daddies site before taking a long hiatus. Was she hoping to get some money to flee with M and leave all her problems behind?
* October 27th: JB borrows SB's car (unverified date, but it’s likely it happened on this day or right around this day). It’s unclear what her intentions were at that time (could have been a way to disappear with M and avoid answering questions) but ultimately this car enabled her to stage the disappearance. There is also the possibility she used the car to dispose of evidence. Why did she ask for ten days???
* October 28th: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments
* November 1st/2nd: JB attends the mediation and for nearly 12 hours, she digs in her heels and refuses to agree to anything. This suggests she had not come up with a plan yet. Eventually, she is worn down and agrees. The children were reportedly left unattended at home.
*November 4th (at 1:28am): JB's last public facebook wall posting
*November 4th (approximately 1:30am): JB goes to her car; this is tracked by a FoB at Veloce Apartments -- was she disposing of evidence? Preparing an alibi by hiding a doll in a blanket?
* November 4th: JB backs out of custody agreement. She is likely continuing to stall for time here.
* November 4th: Trash gets emptied at Veloce Apartments
* November 5th: REPEAT of SVU's "Missing Pieces." This may be where she developed her plan for an alibi since less than 24 hours later....
* November 6th: Sky is reported missing by JB; JB reportedly calls SB to tell him and is “crying hysterically.”
* November 17th: Flurry of flickr uploads to JB's account
* November 27th: JB's flickr account goes private


* It's interesting that she said SM was going to take M out of state (and not Sky as well). Does this mean she doesn't think SM wanted Sky? Or is it that she favoured M, and only feared losing her?

* When did grandpa visit?

 

[jjenny]

Can you elaborate on which case you are talking about? There are so few cases without a body involving children being charged, that I am aware of, I want to see what evidence they did have, thanks.

This one:"Jurors on Wednesday convicted Roderick Fountain of felony murder in the death of his 3-year-old son, whose body was never found."
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...in-death-of-son-whose-body-wasn-t-2238268.php

 

[cluciano63]

This one:"Jurors on Wednesday convicted Roderick Fountain of felony murder in the death of his 3-year-old son, whose body was never found."
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...in-death-of-son-whose-body-wasn-t-2238268.php

Thanks, it sounds like jurors heard from two jailhouse informants who were apparently told by the father that he killed his son and dumped him in the bay...and also there were witnessing to prior beatings. So that helped LE make a case.

 

[Adrienne37]

I'm sure when the time is right, LE is going to haul Julia's sorry rear in, we just have to be patient as hard as it is.

 

[fearless]

I read..... it can't be, it is not right...