WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 7

[~n/t~]

“But we understand that she’s traumatized by this and devastated by the loss of her son,” he said. “We’re hopeful that if she can gather herself we can have that conversation that we need to have.”

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=133807223&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212

Anyone beside me amazed at the level of coddling mom is getting?

I don't care how traumatized she is, this is a 25 month old child we're talking about here and mom can't get her head out of her hiney to assist with the investigation? :furious:

Whoa! Did he say "loss"?? Are they admitting he's dead? Dad continues to be hopeful.

 

[wenwe4]

One thing I can't get out of my mind with the L&O episode . . . in the end the Mom was considered to be a kind and caring mom as the child was buried with a blanket and favorite toy. I imagine JB wants to be thought of as the kind and caring Mom . . . also the child in the L&O episode died of SIDS . . . thus leaving the parents to not be prosecuted for falsly reporting as "they had suffered enough".

I am still trying to wrap my head around the timelines. If the children were removed by CPS for child endangerment for 7 months . . . the parents would be offered services to help ameliorate the issues that brought the children into care. The recorded audio tapes appear to be from a "facilitator" from an agency . . . although I am unaware of any agency that actually audio records the exchanges. It could be that the audio tapes were made by the facilitator and were done to protect the "facilitator". It made me sick that this person did not want to peel MM out of JB's arms as it was too emotional for the "facilitator"! How about being too emotionally traumatizing to the child???? Often a visitation facilitator only requires a high school education, and they are not therapists. Clearly, the exchanges should have been referred to a therapeutic setting in an effort to help the parents teach the children to "regulate" their emotions . . . not amp them up (which was clearly what JB was doing). The exchanges should have not included the parents being face to face (especially if there was a restraining order in place at the time).

If the children were removed from the parents for the Target incident by CPS . . . the parents would have supervised visits @ a visitation center usually. If there were allegations of no food, severe OCD, not allowing MM the kids to get up until 2:00 pm, etc . . . CPS would have to see the home an ensure those issues are no longer a threat to the kids before being able to allow the children back in the parent(s) home fulltime. Also a GAL/CASA would have been assigned to the children to represent them in court.

All I was able to glean from the audio tapes was that JB was unable to have the children in her care for 7 months prior to those (ie: Feb or Mar 2010). Dad was unable to have access to the kids since 12/2010, but it appears the Mom had custody at that time. The marathon mediation (which is completely unheard of among professional mediators that I am familiar with), sounds as if JB could easily argue she was pressured into agreement.

If CPS returned the kids to JB, and then filed a "leave to proceed to Superior Court" to finish the parenting plan and divorce proceedings . . . CPS could close their case within 6 months of returning the kids to the home.

There are in home services called Family Preservation Services (FPS) to help families whose children are at high risk of being placed out of the home. FPS services in Washington State have been cut more than half due to no funding and the State being in such a tremendous debt. (there is no income tax in Washington but sales tax varies between 8.5% to 9% depending on the county).

If the children were not malnourished when SM made these allegations (if CPS ever heard them before closing their case), then CPS could not deem the allegations would be "founded". In Washington "neglect" must rise to the level of "imminent harm" before CPS can get involved. There must be evidence of harm in order to find the neglect was a founded referral. Many CPS workers in Washington have been trained that "imminent harm" translates to . . . ."is the child going to die tomorrow?".

There is a conflict between the two laws that govern CPS intervention (RCW and WAC) and the language about "neglect" doesn't match up . . . leaving the Attorneys to determine what they are willing to bring to court in front of a judge. Ultimately, it is a judges order that removes or return kids to their parents . . . not CPS.

 

[jash]

Welcome to WS jash!

:welcome:

Thanks Cubby! I've been following these threads (and the heartbreaking story) since day one. I'm in awe of all the awesome sleuthing and insightful comments displayed here and felt compelled to join in.

Perhaps. But why take a picture of her father's OPEN luggage on the floor? That picture just confused the heck out of me as to the purpose of taking THAT particular photo with daughter (and no son) sitting on the sofa behind it.

I still smell an ulterior motive...lol

I couldn't even begin to speculate as to the motive behind all the photos. Whoever was behind the camera certainly was snap happy (so many photos of M getting into the pool) and random (there's one of just the hotel bathroom which seems odd, as well as one that shows all the food on the table with JB's father off to the side seemingly looking for something to wear out of the luggage).

The only reason I mentioned that I thought the luggage belonged to JB's father was because someone had posted wondering if they had been accounted for.

 

[Cubby]

Whoa! Did he say "loss"?? Are they admitting he's dead? Dad continues to be hopeful.

Yep he did. I dunno if he meant it in that context or that he is lost.

I wonder if that was a freudian slip and forensics have come back so they were waiting to present evidence to the prosecutors this am? or ??

If mom was as reclusive as we've been told and something happened to Sky it likely only happened in one of two places, the apartment or the car.
And if something happened, would mom be foolish again to leave her daughter home?

Guess we'll have to wait until this am's presser.

 

[wenwe4]

Whoa! Did he say "loss"?? Are they admitting he's dead? Dad continues to be hopeful.

I understood the word "loss" meant the child is "lost" . . . meaning a missing child.

 

[pferrin]

I am really looking forward to hearing that Julia has been arrested.

 

[~n/t~]

Yep he did. I dunno if he meant it in that context or that he is lost.

I wonder if that was a freudian slip and forensics have come back so they were waiting to present evidence to the prosecutors this am? or ??

If mom was as reclusive as we've been told and something happened to Sky it likely only happened in one of two places, the apartment or the car.
And if something happened, would mom be foolish again to leave her daughter home?

Guess we'll have to wait until this am's presser.

Apparently dogs didn't pick up a death smell or any smell. Alive or dead from one of the links posted last night. How are they so sure whatever happened happened at the apartment or the car?

Except for the park search that took place on Saturday, all other searches were focused where she said she was. I realize they don't have much to go on because she's not talking but wouldn't they want to continue to expand their search? What would arresting her on child endangerment accomplish at this point? She'll lawyer up, maybe go to jail or not but Sky will remain missing and she gets away with murder (if she killed him).

:waitasec: Yes hopefully the PC will bring more developments.

 

[SurfieTX]

I don't see how you mean, or what you mean by mis-reporting. The gas station attendent told LE she did not purchase any gas and that she only called her friend for help from the gas station.

Also, the neighborhood she walked through on her route to the gas station was a wealthy one, and mom did not stop to ask anyone for help in a 'safe' neighborhood.

That is how I am interpreting the statement and imo it coincides with what we previously learnt.

jmo

It just sounds a bit embellished to me...like she was strolling through a neighborhood, instead of walking past it on the way to the gas station.

 

[~n/t~]

I understood the word "loss" meant the child is "lost" . . . meaning a missing child.

IMO, it's a play on words.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/1...ersons-case-to-criminal-investigation-monday/

fox news insider piece and video on Sky...

 

[MEM2010]

ooh interesting comment underneath that picture now.I wonder if that is one of her friends,claiming JB does NOT have OCD.

Wasn't Julia diagnosed by medical professionals? And wasn't she also committed on several occasions?

This is not merely Solomon claiming she has OCD, this is documented, correct?

 

[nursebeeme]

I think LE has a general deadline on how long they will play the lawyer game with mom before charging her for her other crimes (leaving child unattended for extended periods of time.. they say she admitted to that.. and leaving child unattended in the car)

...you know... it screams to me... that this woman will fess up to those things ^^ when she won't even come in and talk to police... it is almost like she is saying... I'll admit to this but not that...

I hope that made sense... (hard trying to find the right words)

 

[ClassyT]

What 'docket' are you referring to, and I would love a link, if you have it! Thanks so much!

I am hesitant to post this because there are people listed in the docket with declarations and are easily searchable etc. I dont want people harassing them or being intrusive. I was just curious about what the case entailed and to some it might look like a bunch of garbage but there are a few telling filings. Thats as specific as I can be. If its inappropriate to post, mods feel free to remove. Its public record so I think I am ok.

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?f...sekey=150460526&courtname=KING CO SUPERIOR CT

 

[nursebeeme]

Wasn't Julia diagnosed by medical professionals? And wasn't she also committed on several occasions?

This is not merely Solomon claiming she has OCD, this is documented, correct?

but Mem, don't you know those mean doctors lie?! (tongue in cheek....LOL)

last week on nancy grace she put up a little text box with some of what was in the court documents where Julia says: I didn't try to kill myself... I only did it to get his attention... I don't have OCD.. I clean..." or something to that effect...

I think Julia has a lot more problems/issues than just OCD imhoo:twocents: and I bet she thinks the doctors are nutz and has not been compliant with her treatment... also jmhoo:twocents: As a nurse I have seen this sort of behavior before

 

[Cubby]

It just sounds a bit embellished to me...like she was strolling through a neighborhood, instead of walking past it on the way to the gas station.

I took it to mean there were plenty of places to stop and ask for help as opposed to leaving a child ill enough to be rushed to the hospital for an hour. IOW, it's not like she was walking in the middle of farm country and homes were miles apart.

We're talking about a young child old enough to walk on her own and most likely safely through a neighborhood with sidewalks while she carried an ill 28 lb child. (NCMEC lists him at 28 lbs).

Heck, when my now grown godson was 7! We got stuck in a bog while we were six wheeling. I walked with him on my hip and then on my back when he was too heavy for my hip, knee deep in mud without shoes. (yes the shoes got stuck forever in the mud.) We were in the middle of farmland and we found one house with a light on. Well, they wouldn't answer the door so I went to the back yard and started ringing one of those old bells as loud as I could. At that point, I didn't care if they called the police because we were stranded and needed help. They finally answered the door and let us call for help.

None of Julia's story makes an ounce of sense. If he was that ill why not call police or an ambulance from the gas station and then call a friend?

ETA: And this wasn't with an ill child. Just a child in my care who I was responsible to ensure he wasn't hurt.

 

[MEM2010]

Either he is too afraid of what he really might say ie he is really angry and doesn't want to tip her further over the edge(making her reluctant to admit what she has done). Or he has been coached by someone to not push her too hard.

I absolutely agree he has been coached. He has to walk on an incredible amount of egg shells to appease this woman it seems.

MOO

 

[hollyblue]

I think I saw that elsewhere as well - that she never bought gas.

She couldn't buy gas...from the comments in one of the articles...the station was having money problems and had no credit to purchase it...only COD. If you go back and look at the photo, there were cones around the pumps.

I think nurse is right tho...the reporter embellished it a bit with her walking around the neighborhood. She called S from the pay phone, iirc.

 

[peeples]

I am hesitant to post this because there are people listed in the docket with declarations and are easily searchable etc. I dont want people harassing them or being intrusive. I was just curious about what the case entailed and to some it might look like a bunch of garbage but there are a few telling filings. Thats as specific as I can be. If its inappropriate to post, mods feel free to remove. Its public record so I think I am ok.

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?f...sekey=150460526&courtname=KING CO SUPERIOR CT

Thanks for sharing.. I just wish I knew what it all meant.. we need one of our attorneys to break it all down and explain each thing (Obviously i know what the restraining orders and such are.. but the other stuff I don't get).

 

[rachelslaw]

I think LE has a general deadline on how long they will play the lawyer game with mom before charging her for her other crimes (leaving child unattended for extended periods of time.. they say she admitted to that.. and leaving child unattended in the car)

...you know... it screams to me... that this woman will fess up to those things ^^ when she won't even come in and talk to police... it is almost like she is saying... I'll admit to this but not that...

I hope that made sense... (hard trying to find the right words)

That makes perfect sense, and I agree with your assessment of the situation. Interesting that she obtained a lawyer quickly, and will only answer questions through her lawyer. Yes, she will fess up to only those things that can be proven. Since Sky is considered "missing", and he has not been found, they can't charge her with anything involving the "results" of Sky not being here other than the cause itself, which would be her negligence.

 

[daisy7]

Still catching up on this thread, so I apologize if this was already discussed. I'm having a real hard time believing that the statements in the court document posted up thread with the Dad's response to the divorce/custody/child are true. He and the kids were not allowed back in the home after they left? And, they all had to wear the same clothes every day, though we have seen many pics. of them wearing different clothes?

According to the GMA interview this morning, he has not yet spoken with M since she was taken into state custody. Why??

I'm not accusing Solomon of taking Sky, but his actions are questionable, IMO.