WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 7

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  • #301
ETA Fruit Piccie. Seriously - do you have that much fruit on your counter for 3 people?

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Respectfully snipped. And since when does one make bowls of fruit the focus of the photo with people in the background?

Seriously, the more I see these pictures and comment the more apparent the photo's are staged to counter dads claims of the seriousness of JB's illness.

I'm still baffled at the silence from JB's friends and maternal family regarding the disappearance of this child. That silence along with SM's apparent walking on egg shells is the only thing giving me that 2% of hope that Sky is hidden and mom is pushing harder with the hopes he'll back down.




jmo
 
  • #302
Mel (I messed up my quote box sorry) But lo and behold photos of M making organic food, with bowls of food on the counter, along with enough fruit to feed an army. Coincidental? I think not.

I have a feeling there was a reason for every single photo taken, and each was calculated and staged!

Just my opinion.

Mel

ETA Fruit Piccie.
Seriously - do you have that much fruit on your counter for 3 people?

Looks like a "juicer" on the counter... so I would If I was juicing...
They are organic/holistic..IMG_1573 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!


but Mem, don't you know
those mean doctors lie?! (tongue in cheek....LOL)

last week on nancy grace she put up a little text box with some of what was in the court documents where Julia says: I didn't try to kill myself... I only did it to get his attention... I don't have OCD.. I clean..." or something to that effect...

I think Julia has a lot more problems/issues than just OCD imhoo:twocents: and
I bet she thinks the doctors are nutz and has not been compliant with her treatment...
also jmhoo:twocents: As a nurse I have seen this sort of behavior before

I think you are 110% correct! I also do not think SM believes in "Doctors"

DSC_0062 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Wonder if they allowed immunizations?
 
  • #303
That certain set of photos made sense to me too -- after reading the declaration. S indicated she didn't feed the children nor kept food in the house. But lo and behold photos of M making organic food, with bowls of food on the counter, along with enough fruit to feed an army. Coincidental? I think not.

I have a feeling there was a reason for every single photo taken, and each was calculated and staged!

Just my opinion.

Mel

ETA Fruit Piccie. Seriously - do you have that much fruit on your counter for 3 people?

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That was certainly a "food-galore" picture! WOW! Mommy smiling while daughter is using the ketchup with all kinds of bowls and fruit around. Looks like a party - or (obviously) staged. And no, most people don't have that much fruit around with three people, especially when two of the three are children.
 
  • #304
I wondered why there were so many photos of M eating, but after reading SMs declaration I understand now. When reading the declaration some dates that stood out for me. I haven't checked all of the flickr photos yet to see if any match up to what was going on according to SM though.

March 2009 - diagnosed as bi-polar and was confirmed to be depressed and have OCD
August 2009 - moved from the condo to the home because JB said that it would be easier for her condition if they lived in the home
November 2009 - moved from the home to the condo because JB said that it would be easier for her condition if they lived in the condo
March 2010 - JB had serious issues about leaving the house (or condo, whichever they lived at at the time) because of her condition getting worse
July 2, 2010 - JB attempts to regain sole custody of the kids with the help of her friend SO that she was living with at the time
October 2010 - JB and SM had shared custody
Jan 6, 2011 - SM takes polygraph because of charges of physical and sexual abuse against the children made by JB

Just those things above are alot for anyone to deal with much less two small children, IMO.


BBM. Isn't October 2010 the date of the 'exchange from hell' audio? and just prior to moms allegations of physical and sexual molestation of her children by dad? Interesting how those two allegations only arose after the courts initially granted shared custody.
 
  • #305
Is ABC news not considered a credible source on WS? If so, I apologize. This article supports Nursebeeme's thoughts on JB as a flight risk who's being watched by LE.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mom-missin...la-flight-risk/story?id=14949987#.TsGPJc33LjQ

Washington police investigating the disappearance of 2-year-old Sky Metalwala said they are keeping an eye on the boy's mother in case she tries to leave the country.

"We're not comfortable calling her a person of interest or a suspect. So I suppose if she did intend to make travel plans it would be something we'd want to know about and discuss with her," Bellevue police Maj. Mike Johnson said today.

"It is something that's on our radar. We're watching for that," Johnson said.

The officer also did not rule out a theory that Biryukova, who is in a bitter custody battle with her husband Solomon, may be trying to smuggle her son out of the country.

"There's a lot of work going on to rule out possible theories of abduction, coercion, the element of custody battle between mom and dad, secreting him outside the country, all of these are viable theories," Johnson said.

"We're not comfortable calling her a person of interest or a suspect. So I suppose if she did intend to make travel plans it would be something we'd want to know about and discuss with her," Bellevue police Maj. Mike Johnson said today.

"It is something that's on our radar. We're watching for that," Johnson said.

The officer also did not rule out a theory that Biryukova, who is in a bitter custody battle with her husband Solomon, may be trying to smuggle her son out of the country.
 
  • #306
Ok, went back and looked at photos from a certain time frame to try and get a better grasp on when JB and kids moved into the apartment. I also noted some interesting (to me) things concerning staging and food.

November 17, 2010 still living with Grandma, kitchen shows alot of fruit and such on the counters. I know this is still at grandmas because of the tub not matching up with the tub at the apartment.

November 29, 2010 shows photos of the kids at the apartment. The kitchen appears to be in the middle of just moving in. No fruit on counter, empty bowls on counter instead.

December 2, 2010 4 photos of M eating at the apartment, none of Sky eating. All 4 photos were taken at one sitting based on M's clothes. The kitchen in the apartment also seems to be staged now with fruit on the counter and boxed food left out on the counter.

I also wanted to add that it appears that JB and the kids rarely eat at the apartment as there is no where for JB to sit down for a meal. There are no table or chairs of any kind. JB would have to stand at the counter to eat. The kids also can only eat one at a time as there is only a place for one child to eat at the counter. There is no highchair or booster seat in a regular chair, just the seat that hooks onto the countertop.
 
  • #307
I think you are 110% correct! I also do not think SM believes in "Doctors"

DSC_0062 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Wonder if they allowed immunizations?

Why would you say that HE didn't believe in doctors? In his declaration he seemed to put a lot of credence in the opinions of "medically trained" psychiatrists.
 
  • #308
When it's part of bipolar disorder (or another non-psychotic disorder), it's usually a matter of hours or days. So, not very long. This is usually. Every person is different.

Psychosis, on the other, as seen in schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders can last much longer and happen much more frequently (and it's less-often referred to as a 'psychotic break'. In this case, it's more of a feature of the disorder -- the key word is "break," it's a temporary lapse in the normal presentation of the illness. Bipolar is not a psychotic disorder but you can have a momentary "break" in the normal features of the disorder that looks more like a psychotic state; often happens during a manic phase and, as I said, lasts hours to days, not usually weeks or months as in psychotic disorders).

A psychotic break looks like what it sounds like, though -- delusional, hallucinations, paranoid, aggressive, even violent. Again, it is very person-specific and I try to be careful to not make sweeping statements as if everyone experiences psychiatric symptoms the same as the next person.

Thanks...If a psychotic break was to happen to someone with bi-polar...would it be followed by depressed state or more mania? TIA
 
  • #309
:twocents

with diagnosable personality disorders can also be very good at getting a clinician to diagnosis them with something other than a personality disorder, and you can see how that would happen with the above diagnostic criteria.

Just a thought....perhaps JB was misdiagnosed. :twocents:

Speaking from experience having someone in the family diagnosed Borderline, this can be very true. Disgnosis tends to be more accurate after a patient has been seeing a Psychiatrist for a length of time. I wonder if it is because maybe the patient becomes comfortabble and lets their true patterns show.

My step-son's mother is also diagnosed Borderline. Fits every single characteristic. Her diagnosis was after many months of appointments several times each week. However, when she had to go through two psychological evals for custody, one after meeting with the Psychologist once, and the second time after meeting with another one twice, she was found to be depressed with OCD. They based their findings mainly on what she TOLD them, and after a personality assessment.

Edited to add:

Also, both psych evals... neither psychologist requested her previous records/diagnoses, even though they knew exactly where to get them from. The first doctor based his decision on the fact that the patient (step-mom) told him they weren't relevant, and the second one, it was after 10 years and the records had been destroyed.

Just shows that the manipulation of psychologists can happen.
 
  • #310
Thanks...If a psychotic break was to happen to someone with bi-polar...would it be followed by depressed state or more mania? TIA

So far as I know, it could be either. It could also just be followed by a normal phase of affect, mood, and behavior. I can't say I'm 100% positive on this answer, though.
 
  • #311
I've uploaded the 'optimized' version of the Press Conference from this morning. The sound is still low and there's still the feedback at the beginning (which is why I had to turn the sound down), but at least the video and sound are in sync now... Again, it's not a Patty_G video but it's my first effort. :o

Sky Press Conference, Nov 14, 2011 @ 10:30am

http://youtu.be/GxkndfmbH3o
 
  • #312
Just to keep things straight, the photo you posted is of grandma's house, not the apartment. Does not matter much as that would only add one more person but did want to point out that the photo was taken before they moved into the apartment.

Ahhh - thanks. And just when I thought I had the convoluted pictures in focus ;)

I did wonder about the bowls of what appears like nuts/chocolate chips for the pancakes. A bit much for just a few people. Wouldn't you just take them out of a bag/container to put in the mix? Or am I over-analyzing the photo too much (wait...I think I know that answer)!

Thx again!

Mel
 
  • #313
I think it was control. She seemed to be most symptomatic when she felt she has least control. I know I feel much more anxious when I cant control my environment. Shes not crazy, shes quirky.

She's not "crazy." She's not "quirky." She's not a "psycho." She's seriously mentally ill.
 
  • #314
I also wanted to add that it appears that JB and the kids rarely eat at the apartment as there is no where for JB to sit down for a meal. There are no table or chairs of any kind. JB would have to stand at the counter to eat. The kids also can only eat one at a time as there is only a place for one child to eat at the counter. There is no highchair or booster seat in a regular chair, just the seat that hooks onto the countertop.

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Having lived in many, many apartments, well over 30 years, I can say I have never had a table and chairs to sit and eat in. Most do not have the space for it. If you find one advertised as having an "eat in kitchen" you have a small spot only big enough for one of those $7 folding tables you can use as a t.v. table. Basically large enough for a coffee pot. Eating is done on the couch, chair, sitting on the floor with plate on coffee table or standing at the counter. Even when I had a young one, even with a roomful of guests for Thanksgiving or family visits. Grab a chair and hold your plate, it is what it is in an apartment.

Could also be none of that had been purchased yet, if there is space for it.

I still think the children look well fed. The mom may not have eaten for physical appearance's sake, but the children look just fine. jmo

ETA: I just realized I would be very uncomfortable sitting at a table and eating now! Holy moly, I hadn't thought about how long it had been. Restaurants are fine though.
 
  • #315
:twocents:

Thank you, Smooth Operator! I hope people don't mind all the psychological mumbo-jumbo I come out with in my posts. I know this isn't a mental health thread -- it's about helping to find Sky. I post about psychology because I think starting to develop a profile of a potential perpetrator can be helpful in untangling the details of a crime (and, it's a total bonus to hear that it's helping some posters understand themselves or family members/friends better!).

That said, if a person has a diagnosed personality disorder, one of the hallmarks of these types of disorders is what we might view as manipulation, "pulling the wool over someone's eyes," and presenting as one person at a certain time and as another person at a different time. It's all in attempt to get your needs met -- at whatever cost.

Just to back up my statements, here's some diagnostic criteria for various personality disorders, as quoted from the DSM-IV: "deception, repeated lying, conning others for profit or pleasure, reckless disregard for safety of others, lack of remorse, rationalization, instability of mood, identity disturbance"
and on it goes.

Also, it should be said that, so far as I know, JB was never diagnosed with a personality disorder. She was diagnosed with mood and anxiety disorders, which are very different. Diagnosis in general is highly subjective; it's not an exact science. What one clinician might see as bipolar disorder (with marked highs and lows in mood) might be seen by another clinician as borderline personality disorder (which includes often rapid mood swings/affect disregulation, as a person with borderline PD reacts strongly to environmental and relational changes). Persons with diagnosable personality disorders can also be very good at getting a clinician to diagnosis them with something other than a personality disorder, and you can see how that would happen with the above diagnostic criteria.

Just a thought....perhaps JB was misdiagnosed. :twocents:

Good explanation, Rougelatete... I'd like to add that with personality disorders, the symptoms are more pervasive... hence "personality" disorder. However, "mood" disorders are more fleeting (or, a better term, come and go...?). It is much much easier to treat a mood disorder (usually) than a personality disorder.

To show the extent of personality disorders, they are in a completely different section of the DSM-IV than mood disorders - Axis II vs Axis I, respectively. Axis II, in addition to Personality Disorders, includes intellectual disabilities and diagnoses such as Autism. Just to give you an idea of exactly how pervasive a personality disorder is, vs a mood disorder.

Just wanted to add to it... :seeya:
 
  • #316
That certain set of photos made sense to me too -- after reading the declaration. S indicated she didn't feed the children nor kept food in the house. But lo and behold photos of M making organic food, with bowls of food on the counter, along with enough fruit to feed an army. Coincidental? I think not.

I have a feeling there was a reason for every single photo taken, and each was calculated and staged!

Just my opinion.

Mel

ETA Fruit Piccie. Seriously - do you have that much fruit on your counter for 3 people?

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I think that's enough fruit to make fruit salad to serve about 200+ people, literally.

I will say, the countertops DO look clean! ;D

It begs the question - who took that picture? Who thought that was convincing? Better to have something fun going on in the foreground, and someone in the background peering into an open fridge so you can make out that there's food in there. That fruit is just ridiculous.
 
  • #317
Why would you say that HE didn't believe in doctors? In his declaration he seemed to put a lot of credence in the opinions of "medically trained" psychiatrists.

as a Pediatric nurse I respect homeopathy. But I believe pediatricians are better equipped to treat small children.
He doesn't take his child to an MD. Yet he fully trusts a Psychiatrist?
I find that suspect... but maybe mom didn't like "medicine" per se and he was fine with it.

He did seem to trust them (in court), but I see a photo of he and his child at an alternitive facility. In my experience with patients most do one or the pother not both so he seems a little ??? two faced ??? here
~jmo

eta: the more I read the more I question stuff that isn't natural.

Wonder if mom was headed to the home of one of the Natropaths that evening? I'm sure they live in the "area". She reportedly had passed one hospital already. No ID no wallet? (sounds like a quick personal house call to me) instead of an ER.
jmo
 
  • #318
Homeopathy & Naturopathy are very common up here in the PNW, in fact, WA State is home to one of the best natural medicine universities in the world - Bastyr University. Here in WA State, insurance plans cover alternative medicine.

I personally don't find it odd that they took their kiddos to see a Homeopath.
 
  • #319
as a Pediatric nurse I respect homeopathy. But I believe pediatricians are better equipped to treat small children.
He doesn't take his child to an MD. Yet he fully trusts a Psychiatrist?
I find that suspect... but maybe mom didn't like "medicine" per se and he was fine with it.

He did seem to trust them (in court), but I see a photo of he and his child at an alternitive facility. In my experience with patients most do one or the pother not both so he seems a little ??? two faced ??? here
~jmo

eta: the more I read the more I question stuff that isn't natural.

Wonder if mom was headed to the home of one of the Natropaths that evening? I'm sure they live in the "area". She reportedly had passed one hospital already. No ID no wallet? (sounds like a quick personal house call to me) instead of an ER.
jmo

I can see two parents having different beliefs about medical care. It's like that in our home: I'm into more natural/holistic healthcare, while DH would rather just do what the doctor says and be done with it - LOL!

However, since DH doesn't really care one way or the other, and I definitely do, I pick the healthcare providers for the kids. Our pediatrician is both an MD *and* a homeopath. She's well-respected in the DC area and teachers homeopathy to other physicians. Our children have rarely been on antibiotics (DS is almost 9 and has had them twice: once for pneumonia and the other for a tick bite b/c I've had lyme disease and begged her for them. DD is 4 and has never had antibiotics).

I'm not really trying to argue the merits of one way or the other, because "to each his own" and they both have their benefits.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because SM is seen taking his children to a homeopathic children's clinic doesn't mean he's fully on board, kwim? He may be just letting her take the lead, or he may believe more in 'complementary' medicine (using both together). When our children were smaller - and even now sometimes - DH will accompany us to the pediatrician. MOO

(ETA: As a psychologist, I do believe in conventional meds for certain things like certain mental illnesses...)
 
  • #320
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Having lived in many, many apartments, well over 30 years, I can say I have never had a table and chairs to sit and eat in. Most do not have the space for it. If you find one advertised as having an "eat in kitchen" you have a small spot only big enough for one of those $7 folding tables you can use as a t.v. table. Basically large enough for a coffee pot. Eating is done on the couch, chair, sitting on the floor with plate on coffee table or standing at the counter. Even when I had a young one, even with a roomful of guests for Thanksgiving or family visits. Grab a chair and hold your plate, it is what it is in an apartment.

Could also be none of that had been purchased yet, if there is space for it.

I still think the children look well fed. The mom may not have eaten for physical appearance's sake, but the children look just fine. jmo

ETA: I just realized I would be very uncomfortable sitting at a table and eating now! Holy moly, I hadn't thought about how long it had been. Restaurants are fine though.



None of the floor plans at the apartment complex mom lived at with the children have eat in kitchens in the floor plan. They are all galley style kitchens with an open combined LR/DR feature.

http://www.liveatveloce.com/p/distr...lans/floor_plans/redmond-wa-98052/veloce-3441

I too have lived in some small apartments. Even the numerous years I spent in a studio apartment, I still had a round dining room table which easily sat 4 chairs.

I find it odd and incredibly dangerous that she would still have a 4 yr old sitting one of those seats that clips onto a table. IIRC my son was out of one about the time he started walking and was under a year.

Her lack of having high chairs or booster chairs so they could eat as a family, confirms, imo, much of what the childrens father stated about moms habits.

jmo (except where linked)
 
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