WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

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I don't think we should send ANYTHING in as a lead or a tip if we haven't thoroughly gone over it here. The doenetwork shot in your post looks nothing like Lyle and I don't understand why you would send it in as a possibility?!

Websleuths is gaining in reputation as a legitimate site to work with LE and we need to be careful we do not innundate any office with unneccessary things. They simply will not put any stock into what we do send them in the future which could be pertinent to the case.

On other threads, we try to have specific person stay in contact with LE, but we work on the tips together to come to a consensus before we send them in. This way LE doesn't have 20 people from this site to respond to and we can narrow down leads beforehand which they have to sift through. LE has been appreciative and has responded well to WS.

Let's work together to find the Identity of Lyle and let's maintain a good working relationship with the detective in charge of his case.

Also, it isn't at all good to take ideas or results of searches from other forums. They developed their own and consider it their "work". (This is the reason Out was given a 7 day suspension from another site.) They want to protect their members which we should respect. If we work hard on a case and people take our theories it might cause real problems. WSers, imo, want to be held to a higher standard to gain respect from other sites, as well as LE and other agencies.


I may be the odd man out here, but I have a problem with this.

There has never been a time in history when everyone has agreed on everything. There are a lot of people here that spend hours going through UID's (me included) who don't always agree with everyone, or have everyone else agree with them. We all have different minds, and those minds perceive things differently. Where one person sees an uncanny resemblence, another may just say "nah" and move on to the next missing person.

There is also the issue that there are some people that have worked together on here for a long time, and others who are newer to the field. There may be three or four people working on one lead in particular. They've searched certain missing persons and unidentified sites and have their regular bookmarks. Then, along comes someone that went outside the norm and found something that is completely unrelated to who those three or four people are currently working on. Their ideas kind of get lost in the shuffle because they aren't on the same wavelength. Doesn't mean that they couldn't be right, doesn't mean that they couldn't be wrong. Just a differing opinion.

I hope that made sense. I haven't had enough coffee this morning.

I'm not calling "clique" or anything, I swear. What makes this place great is that we all have a contribution to make. LE is trained well. They've got these cases out there because they are at an impasse themselves. So they get ten e-mails on a case. . . doesn't mean that they'll follow them all up. They always have information that the public doesn't get. They can rule those out that are definitely not their person and work with the rest. We may be good sleuths, but we aren't LE. It should be their decision what they work with our links, ideas and comparisions, not ours.

This is all meant within reason, of course. To send them the UID's from the entire Eastern Seaboard is ridiculous. . . to send them a tip that so and so was last seen in a relevant state and the descriptions matches. . . that's a lead for them. Let them choose whether it needs to be worked on.

I hope I haven't offended anyone. . . was not my intention.
 
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I think most Romanian missing people are on this site, there are so many I haven't had the time to look at all them but if someone wants to have a look.

http://www.politiaromana.ro/urmariti/urmariti.aspx?type=cd


there isnt a way to turn this into english is there?? lol or do we have to go see what word means what one by one?


but here's a guy from washington.. nothing matches with the unidentified guy though... i'm just so curious to seee what this guy looks like without his hair over his eyebrows....

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502411S
 
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does anyone remember what chapter and verse ccm said were marked in the Bible ?
 
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does anyone remember what chapter and verse ccm said were marked in the Bible ?

I don't think he said anything about that. But it would be it great to know out of curiosity
 
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I thought I read it in the first one I believe he said something about John being marked in the bible in the room and it was out on the nightstand (they are usually kept in the drawer I thought) I'll go search it
 
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No backpack, but I only searched around the motel. The daily World most probably had stories about the attacks. There was nothing unusual about his paper, it wasn't folded a certain way indicating he focused on anything in particular. He tossed it into a trash can. For what it is worth, there was a Gideon bible in the nightstand. There was a bookmark in John 12, 13, 14 (pages 1050-1051). I don't know if Lyle was the one that was reading that passage.
 
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John 1:12-14 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV)

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him
12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[a] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[b] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 
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Either this case will be discussed without all the bickering and snide comments or it will not be discussed at all. Anyone who I have to remind more than this once, will be locked out.
 
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Those quotes from the bible are actually quite fitting really,considering what he did!I was wondering why Lyle's age was so broad(20-30)why is it it could not be narrowed down to a more specific age? :dance:
 
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Those quotes from the bible are actually quite fitting really,considering what he did!I was wondering why Lyle's age was so broad(20-30)why is it it could not be narrowed down to a more specific age? :dance:

I think CCM said he was at least around 20 because of his dention
 
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I think CCM said he was at least around 20 because of his dention
The age range was determined by the dentition, as well as cranial sutures. I don't know of any way you can get an exact age for adults. We want to have a range, so possible candidates won't be excluded due to the listed age.
 
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can bi-polar be diagnosed after death,or only when a person is alive!
 
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can bi-polar be diagnosed after death,or only when a person is alive!
I am sure it might be possible but I figure you'd have to interview the people that knew him and then it would be best guess. I don't believe there is a blood test or serotonin levels test for those types of things because it would make it easier to diagnose when a persons living too.
 
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After reading up here I am sad to say I have nothing to offer. You guys are doing a fantastic job! But I have his face and will remember him so if I ever see anyone who might resemble him, I will pop in and let you guys know!
 
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are there certain markers that show up differently in a cat-scan,you know like when they study the brain of a serial killer.Science has been able to determine that in majority of cases(not sure on statistics)a cat scan showed a significant difference in the neurological balance of the serial killer's brain pattern compared to some one that was completely normal.I know there are many other factors that come into play here also,i could be here all week.
 
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I think they do those test on the living.
I think schizophrenia is degenerative but not certain how that works after death as far as being able to tell.
Most serial killers are psychopaths so I think that involves thought and feeling processes or lack there of in them
 
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can bi-polar be diagnosed after death,or only when a person is alive!

I am not sure how you think knowing if Lyle was Bi-Polar or not will help find out who he was but this is what I found. My son is Bi-Polar and he has never had this done......Researchers are using advanced brain imaging techniques to examine brain function and structure in people with bipolar disorder, particularly using the functional MRI and positron emission tomography. An important area of neuroimaging research focuses on identifying and characterizing networks of interconnected nerve cells in the brain, interactions among which form the basis for normal and abnormal behaviors. Researchers hypothesize that abnormalities in the structure and/or function of certain brain circuits could underlie bipolar and other mood disorders, and studies have found anatomical differences in areas such as the prefrontal cortex[55] and hippocampus. A person would have to be alive to have this done
 
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If he and any family or close friend's knew he was bi-polar!would help with identification,like appendectomy scare!all a matter of elimination.also as bi-polar is severe depression,his family may have known this but he may not have been diagnosed with bi-polar.
 
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