WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

[OneLostGrl]

I am not sure how you think knowing if Lyle was Bi-Polar or not will help find out who he was but this is what I found. My son is Bi-Polar and he has never had this done......Researchers are using advanced brain imaging techniques to examine brain function and structure in people with bipolar disorder, particularly using the functional MRI and positron emission tomography. An important area of neuroimaging research focuses on identifying and characterizing networks of interconnected nerve cells in the brain, interactions among which form the basis for normal and abnormal behaviors. Researchers hypothesize that abnormalities in the structure and/or function of certain brain circuits could underlie bipolar and other mood disorders, and studies have found anatomical differences in areas such as the prefrontal cortex[55] and hippocampus. A person would have to be alive to have this done

Before being given a diagnosis of Bipolar, I was given many imaging tests to rule out other things and then after my diagnosis, I again went through imaging tests to document any differences in my brain "structure" and response compared to a "normal" brain. The imaging was done at different times over a period of a year while my brain was idle, while I was shown pictures, while I listened to music, while I was told short stories, while there was differences in lighting in a room, while manic, while depressed and while I was asleep.

Most doctors worth anything do imaging tests before handing out such powerful diagnosis'.

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[Al_B]

Before being given a diagnosis of Bipolar, I was given many imaging tests to rule out other things and then after my diagnosis, I again went through imaging tests to document any differences in my brain "structure" and response compared to a "normal" brain. The imaging was done at different times over a period of a year while my brain was idle, while I was shown pictures, while I listened to music, while I was told short stories, while there was differences in lighting in a room, while manic, while depressed and while I was asleep.

Most doctors worth anything do imaging tests before handing out such powerful diagnosis'.

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wow,never have heard of them doing all that my self and those test are really expensive and does insurence cover them? (I live in a really small town with a very poor population they hand out bi-polar meds to the masses we probably have a higher then normal average of bi-polars and they don't do that,not even if you are going for and ssi check)
Sorry

 

[Teresa Larson]

Before being given a diagnosis of Bipolar, I was given many imaging tests to rule out other things and then after my diagnosis, I again went through imaging tests to document any differences in my brain "structure" and response compared to a "normal" brain. The imaging was done at different times over a period of a year while my brain was idle, while I was shown pictures, while I listened to music, while I was told short stories, while there was differences in lighting in a room, while manic, while depressed and while I was asleep.

Most doctors worth anything do imaging tests before handing out such powerful diagnosis'.

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My son has seen many good doctors over 25 years and none of them have ever done any brain scans. They usually base the diagnosis off of behavior etc. Bi-Polar people are not constantly depressed and once they are dead you have no way of knowing if they were.

 

[outofthedark]

I'm not the only person who has sent a PM for Lyle that was from another country. Someone sent Steve Shumate a PM for Lyle from Australia. Last that I have heard about this is that Shumate is looking into it

 

[Al_B]

so reading this book just got to the part where the old guy turns lyle in for being a commie and he is in the interview he is talking to a short detective and feels the guy is even more hostle towards him because the det.is like 5'6" and lyle is 6'2" but book could just be a fluke just thought it was odd their heights matched

 

[superunknown]

I'm not the only person who has sent a PM for Lyle that was from another country. Someone sent Steve Shumate a PM for Lyle from Australia. Last that I have heard about this is that Shumate is looking into it

Sgt Shumate has a WS account?

 

[Meyahna]

I don't think he was necessarily bi-polar many people commit suicide just because the world sucks. Btw, rmf, in answer to your last pm I live in France for 29 years while I dk if you've ever been here so I think I know better how it is here.

As far as Lyle is concerned he is definitely not on the Doe Network or the Nampn, if you want to find him you must go out of the beaten tracks.

 

[superunknown]

Btw, rmf, in answer to your last pm I live in France for 29 years while I dk if you've ever been here so I think I know better how it is here.

Perhaps it would have been better to address this debate in a PM like I did, since it's off topic and Jeana specifically asked for us not to do this so that this thread does not suffer?

In any event, I am second generation American on one side (from France) and a few more generations removed on the other side, so I am about 75% ethnically French. A good segment (on one side) of my extended family are still in France. I travel there at least 3 times a year (finances allowing) and have spent extended periods there since my childhood as well, in both Paris AND the Tarn region. In fact, I'll be leaving to go there in a few weeks again. My great Aunt lives in Paris in the 16th Arr. and I can't wait to see her!

Congrats on your many years in France!

 

[outofthedark]

Sgt Shumate has a WS account?

No. I'm saying that Shumate is looking into the possible match. The PM's name is Chris Lane (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1331dmnsw.html)

 

[Meyahna]

Perhaps it would have been better to address this debate in a PM like I did, since it's off topic and Jeana specifically asked for us not to do this so that this thread does not suffer?

In any event, I am second generation American on one side (from France) and a few more generations removed on the other side, so I am about 75% ethnically French. A good segment (on one side) of my extended family are still in France. I travel there at least 3 times a year (finances allowing) and have spent extended periods there since my childhood as well, in both Paris AND the Tarn region. In fact, I'll be leaving to go there in a few weeks again. My great Aunt lives in Paris in the 16th Arr. and I can't wait to see her!

Congrats on your many years in France!

I didn't see anything wrong with our discussion, not any snide remark from my parts nor from yours. But I won't talk more about it I was just telling the facts and since you just don't want to believe them I just can't do anything. Btw, Paris is not at all representative of France. And as far as the Tarn is concerned not either see its proximity to mediterranean countries.

 

[coldcaseman]

As far as Lyle is concerned he is definitely not on the Doe Network or the Nampn, if you want to find him you must go out of the beaten tracks.

His Doe Network case# is 233MWA. He is also on the National Centerfor Missing Adults case# WA-John Doe 405.

 

[coldcaseman]

As far as Lyle is concerned he is definitely not on the Doe Network or the Nampn, if you want to find him you must go out of the beaten tracks.

The Doe Network case# is actually 233UMWA. Sorry.

 

[Teresa Larson]

Catholics have always believed that if you commited suicide your soul would go to hell. They aren't nearly as strict as they used to be regarding this and a lot of other things. (Thank God LOL) I can't imagine that all of the people in France do not care about religion either way religion and being bi-polar do not play any part in finding out who Lyle is. IMO If he was bi-polar we will never have any way of knowing unless of course we find his family. Another thing I have thought about is this Maybe when someone saw him pacing he was waiting for the mailman to get there so he could give him the letter he had written to his family along with his wallet and personal things. Maybe his family already knows he is dead and wouldn't think to look for an unidentified person in trying to seach for him. One more thing did the police ever check the bus stations to see if there was some luggage or bag left unclaimed around that time?

 

[Al_B]

but I don't think the post office was that far away. I know in the small town next door to us everyone there has a PO box and no mailmen
post address for Amanda Park
http://www.manta.com/comsite5/bin/pddnb_company.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=3550&id=655ykh

 

[Teresa Larson]

but I don't think the post office was that far away. I know in the small town next door to us everyone there has a PO box and no mailmen
post address for Amanda Park
http://www.manta.com/comsite5/bin/pddnb_company.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=3550&id=655ykh

Yes you are probably right I didn't think about that. :doh: I am going to see if I can find out if it was near the motel.

 

[Al_B]

Information about the area
http://www.quinaultrainforest.com/index.html

 

[laini]

His Doe Network case# is 233MWA. He is also on the National Centerfor Missing Adults case# WA-John Doe 405.

I think what she means is "Lyle's" identity as a missing person is not listed on either site.

 

[Teresa Larson]

I don't remember seeing anything about this but what are the possibilites of him being in a mental hospital? He leaves there to go to the motel so he could commit suicide. He wouldn't be able to do that in a mental hospital. That could also be why he didn't have anything with him and the clothes he had on belonged to someone else at the mental hospital. Just a few thoughts. :twocents:

 

[Teresa Larson]

Information about the area
http://www.quinaultrainforest.com/index.html

You are correct the Post Office was about 2 blocks away so JD could have walked there.

 

[cold case lady]

after checking it out some more i get the feeling that the the amanda park motel and the address he gave where random.that he was looking for a motel,saw the address in idaho at the same time,so used it.you know how he possibly wrote the address down as maridan.that could be one thing he did write correctly,he could have come from the mexico area i wonder!