WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #8

[otto]

Completely excluded after being repeated in the press for months. I assume most of the jurors could read.

Point being??? That the jury based their opinion on newspaper articles?

Not this again!

Do juries in the US based their decisions on what is published in the newspaper? No. Therefore, there is no reason to assume that juries in any other country base their decisions on what is published in the newspaper.

And ... is there proof that the jury acted inappropriately? If not, the point needs to be dropped.

I'll just copy this for use in two weeks when this is raised again.

 

[missyjane77]

Point being??? That the jury based their opinion on newspaper articles?

Not this again!

Do juries in the US based their decisions on what is published in the newspaper? No. Therefore, there is no reason to assume that juries in any other country base their decisions on what is published in the newspaper.

And ... is there proof that the jury acted inappropriately? If not, the point needs to be dropped.

I'll just copy this for use in two weeks when this is raised again.

There is a HUGE difference in the way juries are handled here in the US than in the way they are handled in Perugia - one being our's are typically sequestered in high profile cases. I'm curious as to how their jury selection works as well.


I think it's reasonable to think that the jury pool could have very well been biased....

from http://www.grahamlawyerblog.com/tag/jury/

"King County Superior Court Judge Mike Heavey is among the local people trying to help Amanda. Heavey took the unusual step of writing to the Italian council that regulates judges to protest the leaks from the prosecutor, police and prison officials to the tabloid press. According to a Seattle Times article he wrote “Amanda Knox is in grave danger of being convicted of the murder because of illegal and improper poisoning of public opinion and judicial opinion.” He continued: “I respectfully submit that the prosecutor’s office, police and prison employees have made illegal and false statements … These false reports have wrongfully poisoned the well of public opinion against Amanda.”"

 

[Allusonz]

Nothing Amanda said during questioning was entered into court ... everything was completely excluded.

Really?

Why did you speak about Patrick only in the interrogation of Nov 6 at 1:45?
Why didn't you mention him before? You never mentioned him before.

Before what?

In your preceding declarations, on Nov 2 at 15:30, on Nov 3 at 14:45, then,
there was another one, Nov 4, 14:45, and then there's Nov 6, 1:45. Only
in these declarations, and then in the following spontaneous declarations,
did you mention the name of Patrick. Why hadn't you ever mentioned him before?

Because that was the one where they suggested Patrick's name to me.

I can post some other examples if you would like

 

[Allusonz]

Break ins are not language dependent. It doesn't matter where one lives. If they arrive home, there's blood where there wasn't blood the day before, broken window, door wide open, one locked bedroom ... I could understand if Amanda phoned her mom at that time, or Meredith, or even Raffaele .. but she didn't.

No one thought Amanda was guilty because of this.

I still come back to this:

If i was to murder someone i certainly would not come back to my house, take a mop, go to my boyfriends and mop a floor, then even go to the extreme of returning said mop.....

I would of continued on with my plans for the day since it was a holiday and i know i certainly would not voice my concerns to my boyfriend, to my flatmates, and phone the police....

 

[Allusonz]

I think Knox had Meredith's blood on her foot and then she walked into Filomina's bedroom to do something with that fishy window.

I can understand what you might believe but usually individuals have actual proof....

Now in a what if scenerio it was AK's blood i would definately look at that but it was not her blood

Since we now have 11 DNA experts stating that all the residents DNA would be all over that house (btw did I mention a well known DNA expert from the UK is speaking up in her defense?)

The experts are saying anyone could of deposited that blood there including MK herself as there simply is no way to time stamp the DNA (DNA cannot tell them when it happened just whose DNA it is)

This is not AK's blood...this would be like skin shedding which i am sure we all know happens to us all

 

[Allusonz]

Thought this might interest some of you

Finally, even the judicial system seem to have started considering the hypothesis of the crime that doesn’t necessary include Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. The document stressed that the Supreme Court had only been called to assess the guilt of Guede.
Iannelli, though, confirms the collective assault, but the description he provides, all focuses on sexual purpose perpetrated with extreme cruelty. All this that suggested the actions of accomplished criminals, rather than two lovebirds who had just finished watching Amelie. His analysis seems to exclude any female psychology as part of the crime, even more so as its mastermind

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/

 

[Allusonz]

Has anyone done a test with bathroom cleaners and luminol?

My housekeepers always leave their shoes in front of the house. They clean in bare feet. So if they were cleaning the shower and stepped out, it would make a print on the tile for sure, reactive to luminol. I'm not sure how long it would last but it would be interesting to see if this test had been done. By the pattern, it looks like the prints go from the bathroom and into AK's room... and none anywhere near MK's room.

I would guess there are a few "bloody" footprints in my own house!! And with my DNA, my boyfriends DNA, and my daughters DNA, even though we are not dead or murderers.

Trillion again worth mentioning. For some reason people think that luminol can only interact with blood when in fact it can be a number of things including:

iron in water
various cleansing agents that contain bleach
soil (aka dirt)

just to name a few

 

[Allusonz]

Apparently all of Knox's parents forgot to have the talk with Amanda ... the one where they tell her to stay away from drugs and alcohol, don't sleep around, don't talk to strangers, keep a good schedule, don't lie to police, don't pretend to be a restless teenager at the police station, and to respect the laws and customs of the fabric of the society where she is visiting. Amanda should have listened to her aunt and uncle and fulfilled her job responsibilities in Berlin. She should have listened to them when they told her to go to Germany. She should have listened to her mom when she was told to return home. She should have listened ... but apparently she didn't feel like listening to anyone ... and look where she landed herself.

Maybe Raffaele is innocent and everything that happened is just a huge series of unforunate circumstances ... everyone is corrupt, DNA flies and so on.

Is there a cite for this information?

 

[Allusonz]

Teenagers can't vote. Adults can. She was 20 years old at the time of the murder. Describe Knox at the police station to any 15 year old today and I think you'll find that you'll have to repeat yourself several times, and desribe the scene several times before you pick the 15 year old's jaw up from the floor.

Teenagers are not so stupid as to do gymnastics at a police station during a murder investigation.

Ok now i am truly confused

One minute she is a stupid liar the next not stupid. Which is it?

 

[Allusonz]

It's interesting that the first things you mention are drugs and sex.

Perhaps it's a coincidence, but in a lot of posts and articles about Amanda Knox, those "crimes" seem to be paramount, whether she actually committed the murder secondary.

Now you have AK "pretending" to be a restless teenager? Whatever was the point of pretending?

I agree.

Its something like the Dempsey and Moore quotes not being accepted.

Nova been truly busy thus not much time to be on but i did want to thank you for sharing your experience with that particular university.

THEIR LOSS...YOUR GAIN...

 

[Allusonz]

Apparently all of Knox's parents forgot to have the talk with Amanda ... the one where they tell her to stay away from drugs and alcohol, don't sleep around, don't talk to strangers, keep a good schedule, don't lie to police, don't pretend to be a restless teenager at the police station, and to respect the laws and customs of the fabric of the society where she is visiting. Amanda should have listened to her aunt and uncle and fulfilled her job responsibilities in Berlin. She should have listened to them when they told her to go to Germany. She should have listened to her mom when she was told to return home. She should have listened ... but apparently she didn't feel like listening to anyone ... and look where she landed herself.

Maybe Raffaele is innocent and everything that happened is just a huge series of unforunate circumstances ... everyone is corrupt, DNA flies and so on.

Even I have to admit to some very strange things, I thought some of you might enjoy this though

As we know the cops sued Amanda’s parents, who were subsequently charged with defamation through the press for the interview they released to the Times Online. Only Edda and Curt, not the journalist, not the editor-in-chief, as it must be.

So we have to assume that they entered the Times unannounced to anyone, wrote and published the article themselves, and signed it with the pseudonym of John Follain. It must be like this, otherwise people understand that when a medium criticizes the cops (as Telenorba did), he gets prosecuted. When it doesn’t criticize, he’s not prosecuted, even if he hosts a libel (a presumed libel).

Not only the public, but even the CSM (the disciplinary committee) and the court of Florence may understand it this way. And the Perugia case, as we know, it’s already on their table. They may spot out new clues of abuse of office and omission of office. Especially if prompted by American and Italian authorities, who, after the strange lawsuit, are actually starting to follow the case for real

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/

 

[Allusonz]

BBM
Not sure if it speaks of her innocence - but it sure speaks of her need to have had good legal counsel right from start! As much as I may not approve of her behavior – convicting her of murder is too serious a thing to see her so unprotected in the situation she was in! Amanda, if only you would have listened to your mom and gotten the heck out of there!

I here must agree with you as well. This is one major issue I have had from the start

 

[Allusonz]

Why was Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomina's room? That doesn't sound right to me. Meredith's blood mixed with Filomina's DNA in Filomina's bedroom, sure ... but not Knox's DNA.

Why would Meredith be bleeding such that Knox picked up that blood and deposited it in Filomina's bedroom? We haven't heard testimony from anyone that Meredith was a bleeder and Amanda spent time in Filomina's bedroom.

As i have tried so many times to explain to you everyones DNA is in the house. All the flatemates and visitors DNA is all over. Whether it be skin, hair, fingerprints etc

 

[Allusonz]

Respectfully snipped from quote from above post


Maternal leading, guiding, suggesting, perhaps? Just something to kick around...:twocents:

I think that would be natural for any mother, those instincts would simply kick in.

I think stress in this situation would of been a given...:twocents:

 

[sherlockh]

As i have tried so many times to explain to you everyones DNA is in the house. All the flatemates and visitors DNA is all over. Whether it be skin, hair, fingerprints etc

Except that it isn't. My house is not covered for 99% with DNA just because I live here. Neither is AK's hallway and bathroom. Their might be a few traces in her sink but even then it is already unlikely to get that mixed and then there is several other spots. The defense failed to prove their point, simply because there is no innocent explanation for the mixed blood/DNA traces that she left even if she lived there. RG supposedly cleaned up in the bathroom and left no DNA trace of himself, because he didn't live there? Makes no sense. IMO.

 

[Nova]

In your opinion. Sure, I accept that. Unfortunately, there is a lot of evidence they were there and shows exactly what they did. No there isn't. Yes there is. No. Yes. No. Yes. Coffee anyone?

I'm willing to hear otherwise. But thus far I haven't heard the evidence that puts either AK or RS at the murder at the time MK was killed. DNA can't be dated, so mixtures of their DNA with blood or other substances don't give us times.

 

[Nova]

Point being??? That the jury based their opinion on newspaper articles?

Not this again!

Do juries in the US based their decisions on what is published in the newspaper? No. Therefore, there is no reason to assume that juries in any other country base their decisions on what is published in the newspaper.

And ... is there proof that the jury acted inappropriately? If not, the point needs to be dropped.

I'll just copy this for use in two weeks when this is raised again.

I'm sorry but pretrial publicity is a fair issue and I have no intention of dropping it. No, no juror has thus far come out and said he or she was influenced by press coverage. How often do you think that happens (even when there is clear evidence from other jurors that instructions were violated)?

Inappropriate influence may be inferred from the conviction, however, since there isn't sufficient evidence to convict AK or RS.

It can also be inferred from the posts of those who support the verdicts, since I've yet to see a single poster stick to trial evidence without quickly sliding over to the realm of tabloid gossip and innuendo.

 

[Nova]

I still come back to this:

If i was to murder someone i certainly would not come back to my house, take a mop, go to my boyfriends and mop a floor, then even go to the extreme of returning said mop.....

I would of continued on with my plans for the day since it was a holiday and i know i certainly would not voice my concerns to my boyfriend, to my flatmates, and phone the police....

Indeed. Murderers usually go out of their way to avoid being the one to "discover" the body and report the crime.

 

[Allusonz]

Some interesting things

It appears that that particular night was very windy

The front door, if not locked, opens by itself with the wind. It was a very windy night and, during the assault in Meredith’s room, the door opened by itself. It could happen, since those who entered with Meredith (never mind, now, if gently or not) didn’t know the secret of the door: that it had to always be locked

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?...3&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=k1uQ5rt8L5XhnUxA3_Yyvw--

 

[Allusonz]

Except that it isn't. My house is not covered for 99% with DNA just because I live here. Neither is AK's hallway and bathroom. Their might be a few traces in her sink but even then it is already unlikely to get that mixed and then there is several other spots. The defense failed to prove their point, simply because there is no innocent explanation for the mixed blood/DNA traces that she left even if she lived there. RG supposedly cleaned up in the bathroom and left no DNA trace of himself, because he didn't live there? Makes no sense. IMO.

Obviously I am sure that we know that the quantities would vary depending on the particular area of the cottage

As well it is commonly known that in order to find it tests must be performed (i will grant here the assumption that there would be very low levels of picograms in some areas)