WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #8

[SMK]

I don't have "blind faith". I don't see any problem with the current reasoning regarding the convictions.

OK, I understand. I unfortunately have a mountain of unsettled thoughts. . .

 

[otto]

:welcome:

Otto you have requested his credentials before and they have been cited often. He is not a layperson

Ron Hendry is a retired Forensic Engineer (aka Accident Reconstructionist) with 28 years of experience at evaluating and reconstructing serious to fatal incidents based on the physical evidence. Mr. Hendry is a degreed Mechanical Engineer who held a Professional Engineering License during his consulting career. His body of work was primarily with regard civil litigation matters. However, his work has required him to interact extensively with police and review their reports, interview witnesses, review autopsy reports, and review statements and depositions of witnesses and experts. Ron has extensive experience in evaluating incidents from scene photos and witness testimony in cases where the physical evidence was no longer around. In several instances, Ron has evaluated injuries of those involved to ascertain how they occurred

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendryindex2.html

Could you give a link to his credentials as a crime scene analyst please ... something unrelated to this case.

 

[Allusonz]

I don't know why we are being especially sensitive here. We've had threads that linked to autopsy photos of Jon-Benet Ramsey and crime scene photos of Darlie Routier's children.

This is a true-crime site. Personally, I assume that any thread may link to photos I find distressing.

To be honest that label was put on after an experience I had myself reared its head out of the blue in which I have aplogized to everyone. (It so rarely happens and I have viewed these photos and worse many times) The graphic warning is probably not truly needed

 

[otto]

OK, I understand. I unfortunately have a mountain of unsettled thoughts. . .

Isn't that common when people rely on family driven media coverage about a trial held in a foreign country in a foreign language?

 

[Allusonz]

Could you give a link to his credentials as a crime scene analyst please ... something unrelated to this case.

i did

 

[otto]

i did

The link is to the blog run by the person using the alias Bruce Fisher. I'm interested in credentials for Hendry ... something from him and independent from Amanda Knox discussion.

 

[Allusonz]

I assumed he knew whereof he spoke. Gee, I do not know a thing about blood spatter. But that former FBI agent believes Hendry, and we must assume he knows something about spatter.. . . ?

He is the one often quoted as he has laid it out in a way that is easy to understand but we often overlook the others that also testified to the same thing

 

[Allusonz]

Everybody in this thread wants justice for Meredith. To imply otherwise is grossly offensive.

I believe this bears repeating a thank you just is not simply enough

 

[sherlockh]

Well, I believe many could not entertain the idea that Rudy was innocent until the appeals proved him not so, because of his history of smashing windows, burglarizing, brandishing knives, his DNA found on Ms. Kercher's body, his faeces in the toilet, his admission of sex with Ms. Kercher-----just kind of hard to see him as "wrongly accused" in all that.......

BBM. Those are all internet gossips. Lets stick with the facts. He was caught with stolen goods. The guy that accused him of brandishing a knife was considered unreliable.

 

[Allusonz]

Otto, the three most important things we know about Amanda's interrogation are:

1. That it was not recorded, a red flag when considering that Mignini himself claimed to have recorded all the witness statements he conducted as well as ILE recording Amanda and Raf's conversations before the interrogation.

2. The Amanda meeting Patrick scenario was perpetrated by ILE based on their misunderstanding of her text message to him.

3. That Amanda resisted complying with that scenario and that it took ILE convincing her she'd been traumatized to get her to acquiesce to it. This is backed by the interpreter's personal story of being traumatized and forgetting what happened to her which she related to Amanda in an effort to get her to submit to the Patrick scenario.

So in a nutshell, what we have is an interrogation where no one can say for certain how police treated the witness because it was suspiciously not recorded, with police insisting the witness agree wit their theory of what happened, and when the witness rejects that theory, convince her she just doesn't remember because she must have been traumatized by it.
I'll post this one more time, as I find it very relevant:

"This sort of flaw can be a prime indicator of a false confession, evidence that the police, not the suspect, provided the story line. "
- Richard leo
http://www.injusticebusters.com/04/Loftus_Elizabeth.shtml

But I believe your point stemmed from the notion that Amanda and Rudy both claim to have been at the cottage that night and therefore the DNA evidence against them should be applied equally. But they are not the same. Rudy has always maintained he was at the scene of the crime and never denied it. Amanda said only in her November 5th interrogation that she had been to the cottage (under the dubious circumstances noted above), and in her memorandum the next day where she recollects what she actually did that night there is no mention of going to the cottage or meeting Patrick. And subsequently, during her trial she has always maintained that she was not at the cottage that night. So, to go back to your original point that someone could argue against Rudy's DNA evidence just as they have against Amanda's, this is why that notion doesn't make sense. It's pointless to argue against Rudy's DNA evidence because he never denied being present at the scene of the crime, and Amanda has. There's a big difference.

Malkmus good to see you back!!!

 

[otto]

BBM. Those are all internet gossips. Lets stick with the facts. He was caught with stolen goods. The guy that accused him of brandishing a knife was considered unreliable.

It is worth noting that Rudy Guede had no criminal record prior to his murder conviction, just like Amanda Knox.

 

[Allusonz]

The link is to the blog run by the person using the alias Bruce Fisher. I'm interested in credentials for Hendry ... something from him and independent from Amanda Knox discussion.

yes it is

 

[sherlockh]

Yes it was. As well the "mediator" her term not mine also used a situation from her life thus she was actually involved within the interrogation rather than translating it

If AK said that then it must be true!

 

[Allusonz]

Ah, so he was already fined. Then either Napoleoni was too or she was given leeway for being with the police. I guess we won't know until further reports come out. Either way, I find her absence intriguing, considering she apparently never missed a hearing before.

This was an interesting one. I have not read if she was fined or not yet the disco owner was fined immediately. I guess we will have to wait to see what her reason is

 

[otto]

yes it is

That's all very well, but I am looking for credentials for Ron Hendry as a crime scene analyst expert that are unrelated to Knox. If his first case of giving so-called expert opinion about crime scene analysis is a case in a foreign country, where he has never visited the crime scene ... I rest my case.

 

[Allusonz]

If AK said that then it must be true!

Actually that was in the trial testimony and that was what she described herself as not AK

 

[Allusonz]

Normally my private life remains just that private. This weekend though one of the most caring, nuturing, loving people in the world passed away.

Her moto throughout life was "treat people the way you wish to be treated" and her main perspective on life was that it is always very easy to judge others but few take the time to realize what the ramifications those judgements may have on others. She often said never think that you are better than those whom you have passed those judgments on and if you think you are then it is time to take a good look inside yourself.

My aunt on the other hand is simply one of those people who believes that she has the god given right. In her very self centered, self righteous, and quite pompous belief of herself (she attends church every Sunday) she passed judgement on me when my partner arrived at the hospital, hugged me and gave me a kiss, not in a sexual way, but to simply express that he was here to help and confort.

If it had not been so sad to watch and hear, my aunt created chaos over her perception that what my partner did was inappropriate. My uncle quickly escorted her from the room and yup I was beyond furious. In my normally decisive way, I went to the hallway and informed her in no uncertain terms that she would not be welcome at the funeral and asked the staff to have her removed from the hospital.

Upon reflection, my step mothers words came back and I realized my "decision" was wrong. I called my aunt up and told her that in my company she was never to pass judgement on any person. She would be welcome at the funeral if those conditions were adhered to and her response was to hang up. I hope that I can live up to the legacy of my step mother whom I came to love and respect greatly. For my aunt I hope and pray that she takes the time to look within herself as I do not believe if she took the time to look in the mirror she would like whom or what she has become. Needless to say my uncle and cousins were upset with her behaviour. I smiled and said hey lets head back to my home as I know she is smiling down on us all.

There is a moral to this. Some will understand it and others with find offense with it. Some may simply dismiss it. I did though find it ironic how the very incident that had just happened to me was being discussed.

 

[scandi]

She did confess to murder. Being present in the cottage during the murder and not do anything about it makes her guilty under Italian law. Of course, I understand what you mean but the confession should not be taken lightly. Standing in the kitchen with her fingers in her ears during the murder does not make it ok.

Gosh, One would have to be on something to stand nearby with fingers in their ears as someone is murdered. Sounds :crazy: to me unless they were all whacked out. In that case her lawyer should have used that as a defense, right?

I need to go read up on the facts of the case, as maybe that was done.

 

[sherlockh]

Actually that was in the trial testimony and that was what she described herself as not AK

Can't find it, but is not all that important anyway. I don't believe in any 'coerced confession' with the help of the interpreter in a room full of people. But before we go into another 5 pages of discussions about the interrogation, it was thrown out so forget it. The police definitely messed up here to get these statements thrown out. How stupid is that? AK got very lucky here IMO.

 

[otto]

Allusonz, I'm very sorry for your loss. I think you make an important point. Sometimes we are quick to judge, and many times we need to step back an re-evaluate our perspectives. Sending you strength and warmth. (sorry, I'm not good with words in some situations)