WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #8

[Malkmus]

I think perhaps you misunderstood. What I wrote is that I am pro-justice for Meredith. I am not a proponent of guilt under any circumstances. I am a proponent of justice. Pro-justice works as a respectful shorthand, not pro-guilt. The victim is Meredith Kercher, so I see her as the subject of this discussion. Pro-Amanda may be more appropriate for those that want Amanda returned to US soil regardless of her participation in the murder of Meredith Kercher.

Otto, you believe Amanda and Raf are guilty, therefore I chose to refer to you and others who share the same belief as "pro-guilt", plain and simple. Since you don't like that I won't use it. By claiming that you want to be labeled "pro-justice" you are drawing a line between other posters that is rather inflammatory, by insinuating that those who believe in the couple's innocence are not "pro-justice". I can't abide by that, and think you are grossly over-complicating a rather inconsequential matter. I think we all believe we're "pro-justice" so I'll just have to refrain from any abbreviations I suppose. Oh well.

 

[Malkmus]

We have previously discussed Amanda's 2 hour questioning as a witness prior to her confession (for weeks). Is there anything new to add to the discussion?

Yes, as opposed to hearing about how incredulous it is that someone could commit a false confession after only two hours (please see the case of Karl Fontenot, who did the same and was not mentally handicapped either), I would like to hear your version or any one who believes in the guilt of AManda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito (see no abbreviations) to explain how they think the interrogation went by including all we know about it. So far every time it's mentioned it is misrepresented to seem as if Amanda waltzed in intending to accuse Patrick, got hit on the head and made the accusation.

 

[Malkmus]

The arguments for Amanda and Raffaele's guilt will "keep coming back" because, as it stands, she is convicted of murder. There is an ongoing appeal, and new information may emerge but, until then, she is guilty - just like Rudy. I have faith in the judicial system in general. Sometimes mistakes are made but, in general, verdicts are correct.

I don't think you'll find statements from me suggesting that three people murdered Meredith over an argument about chores. Personally, I have viewed this as a thrill kill from pretty much the beginning.

And what was the thrill exactly? How does the knife fit in to your scenario? Was it premeditated? At what point in the evening did they decide to do this and for what reason?

 

[Malkmus]

Within the context of the discussion, my objection was the label of "pro-guilt" being used to label those that believe justice for Meredith is being done.
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Otto, that isn't at all what I said the moniker of "pro-guilt" was being used to label, yet I'm sure you were aware of that when you wrote this. Again, you claim that only those not arguing that there is reasonable doubt in this case are interested in justice for Meredith.

 

[Malkmus]

Of course, I expect that arguments for the guilt of AK and RS will "keep coming back." That's what we're discussing.

If I'd known we were playing take one sentence out of context and misconstrue its meaning, I could have chosen my words more carefully. What I was saying is that I don't understand why arguments for AK's guilt keep coming back to her supposed "confession." In fact she never confessed to murder.

Get in line. :crazy:

 

[Malkmus]

Thanks Nova,
There is an excellent piece on TJMK that you and all posters here might want to read :websleuther: . Especially read the posts linked in the articles.

All analysis from Judge's reports, so no media or internet rumors.

Could you be more specific on which piece you're referring to? The latest one is just a link to Rudy's sentencing report. Is that what you mean?

 

[Malkmus]

Are retired accident reconstruction analysts considered crime scene analysis experts in the US? What training does Hendry have? Are his credentials available anywhere? I looked. I couldn't find them.

Hendry is an engineer whose specialty is accident reconstruction, involving the same techniques police use to reconstruct a homicide. He has analyzed upwards of 2,000 cases and has interfaced with and reviewed the work of police investigators on many of them.

His professional focus, for many years, has been to study photographs and other evidence and produce detailed reports that show exactly what happened. He starts by creating a precise map of the scene. Then he examines photos to trace the sequence of events that unfolded across that map.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...attacker-killed-meredith-kercher-explains-why

Seems plenty qualified to me.

 

[Malkmus]

Maybe nobody told anyone to stop? It is an indication that they know very well that all 3 of them are equally guilty. Although AK and RS somewhat started to accuse each other that never continued when they got lawyers. It would be very stupid for them to accuse each other. That is a prosecutors wet dream so to speak

Perhaps at the beginning phase of the first trial this would have made sense. But now that they've been found guilty with a finite amount of time before their fates are sealed forever, it's unusual that neither of them has turned against the other two in a move that would surely reduce their sentence greatly.

 

[Malkmus]

Malkmus good to see you back!!!

Thanks! Life has been busy

 

[Malkmus]

It is worth noting that Rudy Guede had no criminal record prior to his murder conviction, just like Amanda Knox.

How many times was Amanda arrested? Rudy was caught in germany because his fingerprints were on file from a previous arrest for stolen goods. How many breaking and enterings does Amanda have? We know of at least two for Rudy. Just because he was never convicted doesn't mean very much.

Yes, Amanda has a noise violation ticket. I would hope everyone here can differentiate the gravity of the situations Rudy was involved in versus Amanda.

 

[Malkmus]

Can't find it, but is not all that important anyway. I don't believe in any 'coerced confession' with the help of the interpreter in a room full of people. But before we go into another 5 pages of discussions about the interrogation, it was thrown out so forget it. The police definitely messed up here to get these statements thrown out. How stupid is that? AK got very lucky here IMO.

And why not? She certainly wouldn't be the first, or fifth, or hundredth even.

 

[Malkmus]

BBM. Those are all internet gossips. Lets stick with the facts. He was caught with stolen goods. The guy that accused him of brandishing a knife was considered unreliable.

Actually they're not "internet gossips", they're straight from the judge's sentencing report.

 

[sherlockh]

And why not? She certainly wouldn't be the first, or fifth, or hundredth even.

That is not how it works. Too many distractions.

 

[sherlockh]

Perhaps at the beginning phase of the first trial this would have made sense. But now that they've been found guilty with a finite amount of time before their fates are sealed forever, it's unusual that neither of them has turned against the other two in a move that would surely reduce their sentence greatly.

There is nothing 'surely' about it. That is just your opinion.

 

[sherlockh]

Actually they're not "internet gossips", they're straight from the judge's sentencing report.

Not true. Are you speaking of RG with a knife or breaking in?

 

[Malkmus]

Normally my private life remains just that private. This weekend though one of the most caring, nuturing, loving people in the world passed away.

Her moto throughout life was "treat people the way you wish to be treated" and her main perspective on life was that it is always very easy to judge others but few take the time to realize what the ramifications those judgements may have on others. She often said never think that you are better than those whom you have passed those judgments on and if you think you are then it is time to take a good look inside yourself.

My aunt on the other hand is simply one of those people who believes that she has the god given right. In her very self centered, self righteous, and quite pompous belief of herself (she attends church every Sunday) she passed judgement on me when my partner arrived at the hospital, hugged me and gave me a kiss, not in a sexual way, but to simply express that he was here to help and confort.

If it had not been so sad to watch and hear, my aunt created chaos over her perception that what my partner did was inappropriate. My uncle quickly escorted her from the room and yup I was beyond furious. In my normally decisive way, I went to the hallway and informed her in no uncertain terms that she would not be welcome at the funeral and asked the staff to have her removed from the hospital.

Upon reflection, my step mothers words came back and I realized my "decision" was wrong. I called my aunt up and told her that in my company she was never to pass judgement on any person. She would be welcome at the funeral if those conditions were adhered to and her response was to hang up. I hope that I can live up to the legacy of my step mother whom I came to love and respect greatly. For my aunt I hope and pray that she takes the time to look within herself as I do not believe if she took the time to look in the mirror she would like whom or what she has become. Needless to say my uncle and cousins were upset with her behaviour. I smiled and said hey lets head back to my home as I know she is smiling down on us all.

There is a moral to this. Some will understand it and others with find offense with it. Some may simply dismiss it. I did though find it ironic how the very incident that had just happened to me was being discussed.

I feel for you, Allusonz. I've been and am going through similar family plights and it is very difficult to deal with.

 

[Malkmus]

That is not how it works. Too many distractions.

I don't even know what that means. Could you elaborate?

 

[Malkmus]

There is nothing 'surely' about it. That is just your opinion.

Oh, i'm pretty sure that if Raffaele turned on Amanda right now and said that his only involvement was cleaning up afterwards that his sentence would be reduced. Of course he hasn't, likely because that never happened, and that is my opinion.

 

[Malkmus]

Not true. Are you speaking of RG with a knife or breaking in?

I'm speaking of his break-ins prior to the murder and being caught with a large kitchen knife at one and a small pocket knife at the other.

 

[sherlockh]

I'm speaking of his break-ins prior to the murder and being caught with a large kitchen knife at one and a small pocket knife at the other.

He was found in a nursery school but there were no signs of any break-in. A stolen kitchen knife was found in his backpack. He did not brandish a knife there. That he stolen a knife there indicates he didn't have a knife of himself IMO. He had stolen property from a law office, but no proof of him actually breaking in there and being the thief. Then there is Tramontano who claimed RG broke in and brandished a knife. He is the only one claiming RG brandished a knife. Judge Micheli didn't find Tramontano very credible. Judge Massei mentions the testimony of Tramontano but he seems rather critical of his identification (quote: the identification of Rudy was expressed only by the phrase "I believe I recognize him"). Massei doesn't further elaborate about the knife part. He focuses more on the differences of breaking in. That is it