with the shutters closed???:snooty:
Maybe it is better just to focus on the trials? Many things you read on the internet aren't even an issue in court. I don't know why you say that the staged break-in was dismantled? That was accepted in several trials already. You keep mentioning RG's habit. There are certainly suspicions that he broke into places where he shouldn't have been, but for some reason you find him guilty without any trial in that case. You are making up all kinds of stuff about rocks, police informants and I don't know what. Lets just keep it serious pls. JMO.
It is not uncommon that in a murder with knives no (or not much) evidence is left. What was Meredith supposed to do against 2 knives? No DNA is to be expected. Then with a knife in your hand it is more difficult to leave fingerprints. Besides how many fingerprints did RG leave? Also, there are fingerprints that could not be identified. You are denying a large part in the judges report that discusses the multiple attackers and knives. To say that 'nothing suggests multiple knives' is not true. You don't have to agree with it of course. The evidence that AK was in the murder room comes from all the traces left in the cottage, the dynamics of the murder, her boyfriends traces, and her own statements and alibi problems. I don't think we have to go through all that again. IMO.
Yes, I suppose this is what comes of reading on the internet, but that is basically where one does research these days. All of these ideas were "put into my head", so to speak, by persons claiming to have authority and expertise. I have taken the accounts about Guded being a police informant who had confidence in robbing in Perugia at face value. It certainly turned me around on the case. I meant the staged break in, once I realized that it was questioned, that it even could be questioned, made me lose interest in Knox and Sollecito as criminals. The trials, I am afraid, seem rather dull to me, and skipping too much of what should be important. The idea that these things were "upheld" does not make them set in stone, since in America we have had for several decades movies "based on a true story of a shocking false conviction", etc. I thought this was a forum to discuss our thoughts on it all....
I can go find a list of cases but I just stick with one if you don't mind. The point merely is that victims don't fight back against a knife but try to escape.
OK--point extremely well taken---yet I must admit I do find this case shaky. :waitasec: And surely the myriad of false convictions - many wherein people are cleared after serving decades in prison - cannot be discounted? Surely one has a right to speak out - the core of democracy - if one believes someone is innocent. As for victim's families, no one is disputing the horror of what happened to Ms. Kercher. But it is just as tragic if it was done by a lone wolf, and one MUST be vigilant about defending those who MAY be wrongfully convicted???:shakehead:I can go find a list of cases but I just stick with one if you don't mind. The point merely is that victims don't fight back against a knife but try to escape.
The case of the murder of Catherine Woods
Very bloody murder with 30+ stab wounds in a small room. Guy walked away without leaving any blood or DNA (go figure). He got caught because they eventually found 1 bloody fingerprint and he lied about his alibi (always a bad thing to do).
Not surprising, there is an innocence campaign going on. Nice site where people with 'credentials' are listed that support the innocence case. They are claiming the fingerprint is all 'normal' because they dated for a year or so, and he was in the apartment all the time. His fingerprints 'all over' (sounds familiar?) the apartment are expected. The group tries to 'spin' the facts in their favor to somehow change public opinion and I guess they are hoping to influence any appeal trials or something. Also here the group is rather aggressive and people with a different opinion are basically not allowed.
http://www.freepaulcortez.org/
These kind of attempts to distort the truth are usually not appreciated by the victims family, friends and supporters. So they created a counter site: http://www.dontfreepaulcortez.org/
We see the same in the Meredith Kercher case where several sites have been created to show the real issues in court and show their support for Meredith Kercher and her family.
Here is an interesting part from that site:
http://www.dontfreepaulcortez.org/Case_Evidence_and_Facts.html
"It is very likely for Paul to have walked out with none of his own blood or DNA left at the scene. Most cases have proven that when a viscious attack happens by someone the victim knows, and (sorry to all women) it is a woman thats victimized by the male, most of time the person walks out without a scratch or left DNA. In most cases the victim attempts to run or escape rather than fight back, especially if it involves a throat-cut."
Basically my point is not to focus too much on sites with an agenda, but just focus on what is going on in court. That is far more interesting. All this was just my opinion
Oh, I have no problem with innocence groups or different opinions, but you have to admit that the PR affords by the Knox family are rather exceptional. You don't see that very often. It has pretty much turned the Meredith Kercher case into the Amanda Knox case. The problem is they are trying to prove their points with simple one-liners like 'her DNA is to be expected everywhere because she lives there', 'RG's DNA was all over the room', 'ZERO evidence of her being in the room', etc.. It is a bit more complicated then that. The trial took a long time and there certainly are 2 sides to the story.
:floorlaugh:Lol..oh boy, what have I done now?Lets stick to one case here
I am not totally sure if it is possible for them to get a reduction. I would be very surprised to see them released. If you read the Supreme Court sentencing report for RG then AK+RS are mentioned several times. I know that is a separate trial but still.
Thank you, in any case. will take well under advisementI am not totally sure if it is possible for them to get a reduction. I would be very surprised to see them released. If you read the Supreme Court sentencing report for RG then AK+RS are mentioned several times. I know that is a separate trial but still.
I expect the witness testimony of Curatolo to get tossed and maybe even the knife. The convictions will probably stand (I don't think they will get increased) based on a slightly different argumentation. I think the argumentation will focus more on 'it could not have been anybody else'. If indeed the convictions will be upheld without knife and Curatolo then IMO it is a set case for the final appeal as well.
Anyway, that is what I think so far. I have been wrong before so you never know
