WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[wasnt_me]

Oh but otto: wasnt_me just had an excellent and reasonable explanation - maybe only half of the foot stepped in the blood. I guess we'll just have to see you ask the same question again and again because your idea of reasonable is slightly unreasonable.

You know what? I totally hate to admit this, but you see the picture on my advatar?

Okay, those two pee all the time in the house and when I step in it, usually only the front of my foot steps in it. I retract my foot at that point, turn it to walk on my heel to the bathroom to wash it off. Sometimes, I accidentally hit the ground with the whole foot as I'm making my way to the bathroom. When I hit the ground on accident, I will make only a partial print.

No one wants to luminol my floor, I promise you!

 

[Allusonz]

Thanks for appeasing me. I am still of the theory that glass travels in the direction of the thing flying through it, so that's why I think there isn't glass outside. Residual glass that might have fallen straight down as the window was still closed would be the reason that some got on that sill, because at that point, only gravity controls those pieces.

Actually in all fairness from the research I did do glass should spray in all directions. Maybe not to the same degree but I do know what my ummmmmmmm very errant golf balls have done. I have a wicked slice which I am quite certain has caused some home owners great inconvenience let alone myself being very upset at what I had done

 

[Allusonz]

You know what? I totally hate to admit this, but you see the picture on my advatar?

Okay, those two pee all the time in the house and when I step in it, usually only the front of my foot steps in it. I retract my foot at that point, turn it to walk on my heel to the bathroom to wash it off. Sometimes, I accidentally hit the ground with the whole foot as I'm making my way to the bathroom.

No one want to luminol this floor, I promise you!

Oh god that is so totally cute and trust me have been in that situation :giggle:

And totally cool someone else has a quirky sense of humour

 

[otto]

The part I don't get about that, Otto, is--say the missing half was due to a clean up. Okay, then why not take the whole bathmat with you, since it has the majority of your footprint on it?

I mean, I'm saying if the perp's aim is to remove the print, then he failed by leaving the majority of it on the bathmat. Some also say that someone tried to wash the bathmat. well, it still had the blood on it, so why not just remove it from the house? I mean, if the perp was paying that much attention to the footprint and the bathmat to try to wash it. Also I think I heard something about people seeing AK at a laundry mat? Again, why not take that mat there and wash it? Then if the thing still had blood on it, throw it in a dumpster somehwere. If I were the perp, that's what I'd do, and I'd risk whether or not Laura or FR would remember that the mat had been there. Better no mat than a mat with a print on it.

I think the bathmat got wet because AK stood on it after her shower.

I'm sure that a missing bath mat would have raised as much suspicion as the staged break in.

 

[wasnt_me]

Actually in all fairness from the research I did do glass should spray in all directions. Maybe not to the same degree but I do know what my ummmmmmmm very errant golf balls have done. I have a wicked slice which I am quite certain has caused some home owners great inconvenience let alone myself being very upset at what I had done

Allusonz, give the 411 on what you know about glass spray. Save me some research! :great:

 

[SMK]

I'm sure that a missing bath mat would have raised as much suspicion as the staged break in.

I doubt it. I really doubt it.

 

[Allusonz]

Allusonz, give the 411 on what you know about glass spray. Save me some research! :great:

From the research I did and from personal experience it should of gone all directions. The larger portions approximately where they are the smaller portions would spray both in and out but the majority of the spray would be in the direction of the rock

In my case with the golf ball, it was a finer spray. Again it depends on a number of variables such as the speed, weight etc much like a bullet so there truly is an art in being able to explain an instance such as this

 

[wasnt_me]

I'm sure that a missing bath mat would have raised as much suspicion as the staged break in.

That's why I said in my post that I would take my chances, if I were the perp, and I would remove the bathmat because if the perp was Amanda, then only she and MK shared the bathroom. What were the chances the other roommates would ever remember that bathmat? I'd risk it.

Also, if luminol or something showed that there was a square missing right there, I'd risk it because explaining away that bathmat is circumstanial. Explaining away my bloody footprint on it, is a lot harder.

That's why I make the case that if the killer was so concerned about that print as to clean half of it, why not just remove the bathmat OR work a hell of a lot harder to rinse that bathmat out.

Let's face it, that stain looks deep. At least to me. So I'd stand at the sink all night running water and peroxide over it until it disappeared or was so smudged that you couldn't tell what it was. And I sure as heck wouldn't show it to the investigators first off.

 

[wasnt_me]

From the research I did and from personal experience it should of gone all directions. The larger portions approximately where they are the smaller portions would spray both in and out but the majority of the spray would be in the direction of the rock

In my case with the golf ball, it was a finer spray. Again it depends on a number of variables such as the speed, weight etc much like a bullet so there truly is an art in being able to explain an instance such as this

So I'm sort of correct that the spray will go with the flying object, depending on weight? finner portions might be light enough to go other directions. I just still can't shake the shows I've seen where the police indicate that the majority of glass outside means the glass was broken from the inside.

My next question is about the curtain. Was it pulled off to the side the whole time, because that would affect glass spray IF the rock was thrown from outside.

 

[Allusonz]

That's why I said in my post that I would take my chances, if I were the perp, and I would remove the bathmat because if the perp was Amanda, then only she and MK shared the bathroom. What were the chances the other roommates would ever remember that bathmat? I'd risk it.

Also, if luminol or something showed that there was a square missing right there, I'd risk it because explaining away that bathmat is circumstanial. Explaining away my bloody footprint on it, is a lot harder.

That's why I make the case that if the killer was so concerned about that print as to clean half of it, why not just remove the bathmat OR work a hell of a lot harder to rinse that bathmat out.

Let's face it, that stain looks deep. At least to me. So I'd stand at the sink all night running water and peroxide over it until it disappeared or was so smudged that you couldn't tell what it was. And I sure as heck wouldn't show it to the investigators first off.

I have to toally agree with this. If they were trying to do a cover up, they would of removed the bathmat before trying to clean up invisable DNA to the naked eye. I would of tossed the bathmat

 

[wasnt_me]

That's what i'm saying, Allusonz. I mean what's worse? The police finding the print or the police asking what happened to a bathmat? And if you're the perp in the mindset of cleaning, you GOT to be thinking about that, right?

 

[dgfred]

Exactly - it doesn't seem logical to clean a third of a footprint and leave the majority print there along with a gruesome bloody handprint on the wall and somebody who could implicate you's doodie in the toilet. If it was a conspiracy RG could implicate them so why did they only clean up evidence that would inculpate them and leave his? And no evidence of a conspiracy exists - no texts, nothing.

But ziggy,
The footprint, whether cleaned or not is definately male, and shown in court (to the judges and jurors opinions that matter) to be RS's (even tho still argued here quite often). I like the 'stepped on a piece of clothing' reasoning in that RG would not have taken his shoes off, it is a male's print, it has no reason to be there, AK mentions a shower with RS and cleaning her ears (also mentions the possibility of a bleeding ear :innocent: ), AK mentions the 'bathmat boogie' in a I think weak attempt to explain away evidence that may be found against her. The same thing I think RS did with his 'knife pricking' and 'worried what the lies' the captured RG would say about him.

 

[Allusonz]

But ziggy,
The footprint, whether cleaned or not is definately male, and shown in court (to the judges and jurors opinions that matter) to be RS's (even tho still argued here quite often). I like the 'stepped on a piece of clothing' reasoning in that RG would not have taken his shoes off, it is a male's print, it has no reason to be there, AK mentions a shower with RS and cleaning her ears (also mentions the possibility of a bleeding ear :innocent: ), AK mentions the 'bathmat boogie' in a I think weak attempt to explain away evidence that may be found against her. The same thing I think RS did with his 'knife pricking' and 'worried what the lies' the captured RG would say about him.

That actually cannot be stated. It was not compared to the flatmates, residents downstairs, the girls from the UK, boyfriends or girlfriends

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't understand what the bathmat boogie is?

In any case, RG could have taken his shoes off. If he wanted to get the blood off the bottom of them, or take off his pants to rinse his jeans. I really can't imagine him trying to rinse his jeans in the sink while wearing them.


How's this for crazy. I just stepped in some water in the kitchen. I swear it's water, because the doggies are blocked from going in the kitchen. I stepped accidentally in it and only got wet my third, fourth and fifth toe and a little of my 'whatever it is' that connects the toes to the foot.

Now, this is water, not blood, but it smeared on the hardwood a little as I realized and retracted my foot and I didn't see any "print" but of course I wouldn't seeing as it's water. But I bring this up because there might be a smear mark somewhere related to this foot in blood UNLESS the perp stepped on some bloody clothes.

 

[Nova]

Hi Claudi!! That's an interesting take and it's good to see you.

Funny that I'm over here, the one who is usually saying "they are guilty" in so many other cases with one leg further down the defense fence. Those who don't know me have called me a conspiracy theorist for the defense of AK and RS; which to me is amusing. It's more like a perfect storm than a conspiracy if anything. The investigation just seems to have failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and the police work and CSI was shoddy.

Speaking of conspiracies - it comes to mind that there is no proof that one existed between RG and the others - zip. This conspiracy would have to have been made before AK and RS went back to the flat because otherwise the knife that AK allegedly took from RS's to murder MK would not fit into the scenario.

No evidence of a conspiracy to commit anything or even meet.

Exactly! And besides, otto has explained to us that AK spoke not one word of Italian while the boys spoke not one word of English. How was the conspiracy effected? Smoke signals?

 

[dgfred]

You will enjoy the 'story' I'm sure when you find it. :great:

There are no shoe prints of RG going to or from the bathroom. Only his shoe prints in Meredith's room and leaving to the front door.

*Ha, was your water spill at 8:30 or 11:30? Could you remember tomorrow?

 

[dgfred]

Why does there need to be a 'conspiracy' anyway?

 

[Malkmus]

I'm sure that a missing bath mat would have raised as much suspicion as the staged break in.

I'm sure that if Raf and Amanda knew there was one of their bloody footprints on the bathmat after they had just cleaned up every other trace of themselves, that they would have opted to just throw some water on the footprint to at least distort it or thrown it in the washing machine before calling the cops to take a look at it.

 

[Malkmus]

But ziggy,
The footprint, whether cleaned or not is definately male, and shown in court (to the judges and jurors opinions that matter) to be RS's (even tho still argued here quite often). I like the 'stepped on a piece of clothing' reasoning in that RG would not have taken his shoes off, it is a male's print, it has no reason to be there, AK mentions a shower with RS and cleaning her ears (also mentions the possibility of a bleeding ear :innocent: ), AK mentions the 'bathmat boogie' in a I think weak attempt to explain away evidence that may be found against her. The same thing I think RS did with his 'knife pricking' and 'worried what the lies' the captured RG would say about him.

Please explain how the "bathmat boogie" is an excuse to explain away evidence.

 

[wasnt_me]

You will enjoy the 'story' I'm sure when you find it. :great:

There are no shoe prints of RG going to or from the bathroom. Only his shoe prints in Meredith's room and leaving to the front door.

*Ha, was your water spill at 8:30 or 11:30? Could you remember tomorrow?

I'm sure it was early to midevening, but I can't be certain that it was before or after 8pm.

Isn't that the kind of answer that AK had given once to some question and it was assumed that she was lying about the whole event?

I theorize that he'd already taken off his shoes in the room. Perhaps carried them and some of his bloodied clothes into the bathroom. Then dropped his bloody clothes, including his jeans on the floor, stepped on them, getting the half print, then stepped on the bathmat.

Tell me this, what kind of prints of his went out the door? where they super faint with blood? I mean barely visible blood as if he'd cleaned or wiped off the soles?