WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[dgfred]

What if...
You are planning to do a little 'touch up' cleaning right before you call the police, and suddenly you see the postal police riding around near the cottage looking all around? anic:

 

[wasnt_me]

I'd say ain't enough "touch up" cleaning in the world for what was found in there.

If it were me, I'd actually feel safe in my own home, all night cleaning it, if I knew the roommates weren't returning. I mean, what is the point of leaving and returning? To clean RS's house all night? why they gotta do that? If it was to get cleaning supplies, were any found in their car? Was any blood found in their vehicles that might have gotten in there when they left the first time?

 

[SMK]

What if...
You are planning to do a little 'touch up' cleaning right before you call the police, and suddenly you see the postal police riding around near the cottage looking all around? anic:

That is POSSIBLE, surely. But was it not proven that Raffaele DID in fact phone 112 or whatever their emergency number is, PRIOR to the arrival of the postal police? Hence, he was NOT surprised, and not in a panic. When they asked him if he had phoned the police, he said, "But are you not the police?" and then they explained about the 2 cell phones discovered by the woman. I had read that the clock which made them think RS had phoned AFTER their arrival, was proven to be slow by some considerable minutes. Is this established fact as is being hailed? And as for the bathroom mat print, I enjoyed this analysis: http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-03.html

 

[dgfred]

Please explain how the "bathmat boogie" is an excuse to explain away evidence.

Let's see:
AK's BARE footprints found in luminal in the hallway and to/in front of her room.

AK's blood and dna mixed with Meredith's in bathroom, and dna mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomena's room (maybe some on the way before boogie).

'Excuse' of no towels, limited lighting, naked 20 yr old female, open front door, blood drops on sink (maybe on floor too before boogie), poo in toilet, etc that I PLAINLY stated "I THINK" are excuses.

I already know you don't agree so why ask?

 

[dgfred]

Whether he called a few minutes before or a few minutes after is irrelevant to me since I believe the postal police were driving around looking for the cottage in the area... not sure of it's exact location. I believe RS spotted them either while they were nearing the cottage walking to it or just after they both arrived at the cottage (AK's second trip).

 

[SMK]

Raff and Amanda were likely NOT taken by surprise by the arrival of the Postal Police---indeed, they thought it was the 112 responding to their call. that is why they stood outside.


2:35 p.m. The parking garage CCTV camera across the street from the cottage captures the Postal Police car arriving at the gate. The camera timer is 10 -12 minutes slow.

12:45 p.m. This is the actual time the Postal Police arrive at the gate.

12:46 p.m. Meredith's second phone is dropped off at police station.

12:47 p.m. Amanda calls her mother in Seattle.

12.50 p.m. Raffaele calls his sister Vanessa who is a police officer.

12:51 p.m. Raffaele calls 112. They said call back.

12:54 p.m. Raffaele calls 112 back and reports a possible robbery at the cottage.

12:55 pm Raffaele completes his 112 call

12:58 - 1:00 p.m. Postal Police arrive to the cottage. The Postal Police who are trying to find Filomena, as they had found two mobile phones and one of the numbers belongs to Filomena. Amanda thinks the phones are Meredith's. Amanda asks the police to break Meredith's door down. Amanda is unaware that the Postal Police are at the cottage from another call regarding the phones. Amanda assumes the police are there responding to Raffaele's call. http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/timeline-2.html

 

[wasnt_me]

Okay, but I thought we already estblished that AK's blood was NOT mixed with MK's blood in FR's room.

 

[sherlockh]

That's because this case is all over the internet in light of the controversy in which luminol prints that could not be said to have been made in blood and other possible explanations ignored, were used to convict someone of murder.

You see a good deal of luminol prints where the blood may have been on the shoe but reduced as the person walked on carpet or other material - some of those footprints are not easily seen by the naked eye and luminol enhances the shoe print. Also, shoe prints on dark carpet - luminol enhances the print for shoe print matching.

The prosecutor's logic was that someone walked in MK's blood in her room, managed to clean up those footprints on the floor of MK's room, but after cleaning footprints from other locations in the flat as well, some of the "cleaned" footprint shapes glowed with very distinguishable shape under the light/luminol test while other "cleaned" footprints disappeared without a trace. Isn't that pretty much what you are willing to believe? How do you reconcile that?

Sorry, need to catch up All luminol prints have been concluded to been made in blood. Or was that your opinion? Not sure, what was stated about a cleanup in MK's room. Even our friend Hendry claims that areas in the room were wiped, not cleaned. I can't even see where RG stepped in blood. I don't think he picked up blood on his shoe from the pillow case. Besides that people have told me that it is a mini room where 4 people would hardly fit in so it wouldn't take that many steps to leave the room. I am not sure which footprints disappeared without a trace.

 

[dgfred]

Okay, but I thought we already estblished that AK's blood was NOT mixed with MK's blood?

Yes we did. AK's blood and dna mixed with Meredith's in several spots in the bathroom. AK's dna mixed with spot of Meredith's blood in Filomena's room.
I said exactly that in my original post but it may have not been clear.

 

[wasnt_me]

Something did have to be wiped in MK's room if there are bloody towels in the room.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes we did. AK's blood and dna mixed with Meredith's in several spots in the bathroom. AK's dna mixed with spot of Meredith's blood in Filomena's room.
I said exactly that in my original post but it may have not been clear.

So you are saying now that AK's actual blood is mixed with Meredith's blood in the bathroom?

 

[Malkmus]

Let's see:
AK's BARE footprints found in luminal in the hallway and to/in front of her room.

AK's blood and dna mixed with Meredith's in bathroom, and dna mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomena's room (maybe some on the way before boogie).

'Excuse' of no towels, limited lighting, naked 20 yr old female, open front door, blood drops on sink (maybe on floor too before boogie), poo in toilet, etc that I PLAINLY stated "I THINK" are excuses.

I already know you don't agree so why ask?

I still don't see where the excuse is. And I'm honestly not being facetious. They found luminol-detected footprints in the hallway which the prosecution allege were made in blood. Are you saying that AK tried to excuse the missing blood by saying she accidentally wiped it with the bathmat which had no blood on the bottom of it? How does a story like that, if fake, help her in any way?

 

[dgfred]

So you are saying now that AK's actual blood is mixed with Meredith's blood in the bathroom?

Isn't that correct Malkmus? Wasn't one place on the box of Q-tips?

 

[Malkmus]

Isn't that correct Malkmus? Wasn't one place on the box of Q-tips?

One drop of Amanda's blood was found on the faucet I believe, not mixed with anyone else's dna. She attributed this to a recent ear piercing. None of the mixed blood/dna samples contained Amanda's blood.

 

[SMK]

Something did have to be wiped in MK's room if there are bloody towels in the room.

Rudy claims he tried to staunch the bleeding from Meredith's wound, and there may be truth in this.

 

[wasnt_me]

So this statement is incorrect? Just trying to be clear.

AK's blood and dna mixed with Meredith's in several spots in the bathroom.

 

[dgfred]

One drop of Amanda's blood was found on the faucet I believe, not mixed with anyone else's dna. She attributed this to a recent ear piercing. None of the mixed blood/dna samples contained Amanda's blood.

So what was the one on the Q-tips?

I recall there being 5 different places with 'mixtures' of either AK's blood or dna mixed with Meredith's dna (blood).

 

[dgfred]

So this statement is incorrect? Just trying to be clear.

I think the most certain way to know exactly is to read it in the transcripts or the motivation reports.

Personally I recall there being 3 spots out of 5 that were her blood, but I could be wrong. 1 of the spots of only dna was in Filomena's room.

 

[Malkmus]

So what was the one on the Q-tips?

I recall there being 5 different places with 'mixtures' of either AK's blood or dna mixed with Meredith's dna (blood).

Meredith's blood/Amanda's DNA

 

[SMK]

Whether he called a few minutes before or a few minutes after is irrelevant to me since I believe the postal police were driving around looking for the cottage in the area... not sure of it's exact location. I believe RS spotted them either while they were nearing the cottage walking to it or just after they both arrived at the cottage (AK's second trip).

so are you saying that this discounts this???



Raff and Amanda were likely NOT taken by surprise by the arrival of the Postal Police---indeed, they thought it was the 112 responding to their call. that is why they stood outside.


2:35 p.m. The parking garage CCTV camera across the street from the cottage captures the Postal Police car arriving at the gate. The camera timer is 10 -12 minutes slow.

12:45 p.m. This is the actual time the Postal Police arrive at the gate.

12:46 p.m. Meredith's second phone is dropped off at police station.

12:47 p.m. Amanda calls her mother in Seattle.

12.50 p.m. Raffaele calls his sister Vanessa who is a police officer.

12:51 p.m. Raffaele calls 112. They said call back.

12:54 p.m. Raffaele calls 112 back and reports a possible robbery at the cottage.

12:55 pm Raffaele completes his 112 call

12:58 - 1:00 p.m. Postal Police arrive to the cottage. The Postal Police who are trying to find Filomena, as they had found two mobile phones and one of the numbers belongs to Filomena. Amanda thinks the phones are Meredith's. Amanda asks the police to break Meredith's door down. Amanda is unaware that the Postal Police are at the cottage from another call regarding the phones. Amanda assumes the police are there responding to Raffaele's call. http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/timeline-2.html