Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[DEPUTYDAWG]

When I turned on Fox this AM, they were interviewing 3 women from the ranch. Everything they said sounded scripted and rehearsed, and they would only talk about how the children needed their mothers and how terrible the separation was and how badly they were treated.

Ughhhhhh!
Soooo scripted and rehearsed...and boy did they deflect (not very well, either) when asked the tough questions. And wasn't it amazing that they were all over 18 when they got "married?" Yeah right.

Well, they were telling the truth when they stated the children were never sexually abused! Why? because they don't believe that IS sexual abuse, it's normal in their world! :furious:

Unreal. Don't you love how none (all 6 I saw interviewed) of them were aware of any 14-15-16 year olds being pregnant? "I'm not aware."

 

[golfmom]

I was thinking that the emancipation of minors may be a "loophole" that allows young girls to marry and the adults involved to skate free.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_get_emancipated_in_Texas

Texas Emancipation

The state refers to emancipation as "Removal of Disabilities of a Minor"; Texas Family Code, Title 2, Chapter 31. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us

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You can try. Among other things, you'd have to prove to the court that you are capable of fully supporting yourself--that means establishing and maintaining your own residence, not living with someone else and depending on them for support--and that there is a valid, legitimate reason that they should grant emancipation--simply not getting along with your parents or wanting more freedom is not going to be enough.

http://www.bostoncoop.net/lcd/emancipation/texas.html

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The age of majority is 18. That's when you would be "naturally" emancipated in Texas.

 

[Pepper]

Ughhhhhh!
Soooo scripted and rehearsed...and boy did they deflect (not very well, either) when asked the tough questions. And wasn't it amazing that they were all over 18 when they got "married?" Yeah right.

Well, they were telling the truth when they stated the children were never sexually abused! Why? because they don't believe that IS sexual abuse, it's normal in their world! :furious:

Unreal. Don't you love how none (all 6 I saw interviewed) of them were aware of any 14-15-16 year olds being pregnant? "I'm not aware."

Yup. Amazing.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Every now and again I'll see a post where the poster proclaims "I just threw up a little bit in my mouth". That story did it for me.

Oh my. I don't know which would be worse...having my "week" with my husband (and the first wife in the same bed)...or having to be on the top bunk when it's not my "week" and having to listen/feel when they're having sex on the bunk below. Goodness.

I wonder if one could elect to sleep on a rug on the floor? That's got to be better! :bang:

 

[CarpeDiem]

i think by sending mothers home unless they have children under 4 may have a hidden benefit for the state. all the women sent home would be over 18 but with no children under 4. this would mostly leave the younger mothers but weed out the older women that act as enforcers.

That's a good point. I'm thinking too they have a lot of those kids 4 and under still breastfeeding. Surely these aren't the first kids ever taken into custody that had to be weened right away though.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

According to the article in Slate today, before Warren Jeffs was charged and placed on the FBI's Most Wanted List, some of his nephews had filed charges (or sued him) alleging that he had sodomized them as children. I wonder if the boys who have been placed in foster care have alleged sexual abuse of themselves. Has anyone seen anything on this?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

There's so much wrong with this it's hard to know which to choose.

I think I'll tell Mrs. Adnoid when I get home tonight that she's been chosen as the "ON" wife this week, so get ready. I'll let you all know how that pans out, assuming the ICU has internet access.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Assuming you have fingers left to even type

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Okay, and does anyone have a brief explanation of what one wife does to become the first wife? Is it seniority or ?

 

[mollymalone]

From the Nancy Grace show tonight:

The reporter who went out to the ranch asked several women:
Is there sex with underage girls?
No one is forced to do anything.

Their is no force here, they can do exactly as they like. They are clean and pure and unabused.

Why won't you tell us your last names?
Because we just want our children back.

Asking about underage sex:
It does not have anything to do with what we want that our children come back to us.

Nancy: Where are the men?
Flora Jessop: the men are cowards and are renowned for hiding behind the women. They hide behind the abuses that they commit. They would have to answer questions about their abuses and underage sex. The women need to be held accountable in a conspiracy for the abuses.

Guest on Nancy:
"I am so made, fit to be tied. This is about child rape. They are operating a scam and doing it with our money. One and a half mil in contracts and
900,000 federal monies for single mothers. You like those prairie dresses? we paid for them!

Caller asked where the money comes from to build those edifices out at the ranch.
Journalist: It's called bleeding the beast: The men sign up the women for welfare and get every cent they can from the govt. Young men do construction jobs with no pay. In return they get a child bride.

Nancy: "Ask them how old they were when they were married and they say I can't tell you that.. oh 21, 21, I was 21."

Caller in Wisconsin: How long can CPS hold the children. How long has the compound been there and where do the people come from?
They came in 2002, 2003, forget the date.. came from other groups like this in Colorado City, Utah, some in Canada, from similar cults. Some with Warren Jeffs, his second in command Merrill Jeffs.

Journalist:
"They're religion is a mystery to us, they are opening doors to us because they are desperate. The hearing is tomorrow and that will go a long way to whether they will see their children again. The safety of the child is first and foremost.

Nancy: if they don't find the original complaintant..
Guest:
The laws are designed to give the state.. good faith and inevitable.
Other guest: Nobody's saying this didn't happen. The phone call obviously was expected, I think it comes in.

Flds member: they took a little 7 year old girl, CPS lied to us
They tell us lies. They tell us one thing and do another.
Do 14, 15, 16, year old girls get married here.
We are talking about our children here.

Do you share a husband with many other wives.
I can't answer that. It is sacred to me.
I take that to mean you do share a husband with other wives.
It may or may not.


Nancy: I would love to cross examine them on the stand and find out what they really know about child brides and little boys.
Rick Ross: running a program, mind set, set peices in aplay put together by polygamist leaders. Refusing to answer about the ages of the children were married. The same women would not answer what age were you married. The other one was disconnected from reality. If she was torn up about being separated from her child what was she smiling about. (He's referring to the one who talks about living in heaven on earth and asks if the journalist knows about Zion.) They returned because their loyalty is foremost to the group. He references Jonestown, 200 children dead beside parents.

Nancy: You would have to put me in shackles before you sent me back to that ranch and take my children from me. I would be lying on the front step of the courthouse begging for my children.

 

[mollymalone]

There's so much wrong with this it's hard to know which to choose.

I think I'll tell Mrs. Adnoid when I get home tonight that she's been chosen as the "ON" wife this week, so get ready. I'll let you all know how that pans out, assuming the ICU has internet access.

Do you have a preference in flowers?

 

[Truly]

Okay, and does anyone have a brief explanation of what one wife does to become the first wife? Is it seniority or ?

lol, I believe that's the topic being discussed over on the Marilyn Monroe thread! :crazy:l

 

[mollymalone]

Okay, and does anyone have a brief explanation of what one wife does to become the first wife? Is it seniority or ?

Tying into that question, what happens if the man decides he wants to trade her in on a younger female and doesn't want her as a first wife anymore? Does he divorce her since that marriage was done legally?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

lol, I believe that's the topic being discussed over on the Marilyn Monroe thread! :crazy:l

:crazy: oh no :crazy:

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Tying into that question, what happens if the man decides he wants to trade her in on a younger female and doesn't want her as a first wife anymore? Does he divorce her since that marriage was done legally?

Yes, that would be interesting to know.

 

[Leila]

Larry King Live is doing an interview with the mothers. It looks like about 12 of them, sitting in chairs. One, an older woman - Sally, is doing most of the talking. She's speaking in a monotone. Larry King asked how old one was when they got married. The older woman interrupted him to ask "Can I finish my story?" Two woman said 20, and one said 21. The way the older woman is telling the story, is making it dramatic, making it sound like they've been very victimized. She's says the CPS and LE has lied to them, and was brutal.

One woman, Esther, was asked where her husband is. She won't answer. She went on to say she wants her children. Larry asked again where are the fathers, the women refuse to mention their husbands. Larry asked Marilyn where her husband is......he asked Sally where her husband is.......none will answer that question.

Larry told the women that polygamy is against the law. One said, it depends on who's law you are looking at.

 

[Leila]

In the second part of Larry King, Marilyn is showing her home, the living room, the kitchen, the children's bedroom. This seems very staged........she says "we normally have the kitchen filled with children, but now they're gone." She cried a bit at that point. She's crying again at the end of the segment.

 

[mysteriew]

They want her legally recognized as an adult, so that they cannot be prosecuted for an underage marriage. If she was an "adult", she is of age to be married, that's their true agenda...

They don't want her to have a guardian ad litem because they would then have no control over her responses. If they supplied a "private" (read FLDS) attorney he will tell her what to say.

 

[mollymalone]

I read an article today where a journalist was asking those same questions and then he asked about the charges against Warren Jeffs that resulted in his incarceration.

The woman, Janet (I think that was her name) said those were just "stories."

The women all say that "that sarah doesn't live here" ; there's no one alive by that name"; or "she used to live here but got mad and left";

Again, it's just stories, only this time they're the ones telling them.

 

[SuziQ]

Tour of polygamist compound 1:09
A member of a polygamist sect gives CNN an exclusive tour of the group's El Dorado, Texas, compound. (video at link)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/04/16/lkl.flds.polygamy.cnn

 

[Leila]

I was thinking and it occurred to me that these people have really been preparing for the event since the Short Creek Raid. It's almost as if they are gleefully playing the roles of martyrs. The church sanctions lying to "gentiles" to suit themselves and they don't even worry about keeping the stories straight.

I really think that this is going to get ugly fast.

Golfmom...........I was searching for the right words........martyrs is the right word. I feel so much of what these women are saying and doing is scripted, and they're playing a role.

They're claiming that no one has ever told them why the children were taken.