Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[biggirl]

This is the best thing that could happen. I really believe some of the older women in the group were influencing the younger women, advising them not to give the authorities their names or information.

I totally agree with you, some of these women did not go with the authorities strictly out of concern for the "children", but to keep the "children" in line. I have thought that since day one. Maybe with them out of the picture the children will be able to open up and not feel threatened.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

How do you even prepare for the enormous task ahead. It would be so interesting if you were able to post during that time, not specifics just scenarios. This is fascinating how these cult leaders can have so much power over so many. You are to be commended for doing what you are going to do.:clap::clap:

Quite frankly I am not sure how I will prepare. Me and my husband are considering just picking up from PA and moving to TX.

It will depend on if we do move, if I will be able to make posts.


Also keep in mind folks this is a precadent. Once this flys I am sure there will be more of these cases developing! Once other states plus FBI see that texas is successful at this, I am very sure this will sweep across the nation, world, etc!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3080462

FLDS women separated from their children as legal battle heats up

 

[biggirl]

Quite frankly I am not sure how I will prepare. Me and my husband are considering just picking up from PA and moving to TX.

It will depend on if we do move, if I will be able to make posts.


Also keep in mind folks this is a precadent. Once this flys I am sure there will be more of these cases developing! Once other states plus FBI see that texas is successful at this, I am very sure this will sweep across the nation, world, etc!

You are correct about that. I cannot believe the FBI will let this continue in other states. If it is illegal in one then it cannot be legal in another. You will have your hands full and you will have many supporters cheering you on.
:clap:

 

[mollymalone]

Like father, like son and other controlling ........ fill in the blank... leaders of the FLDS.http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/ChartLinks/FLDSChurch.htm

Reportedly “on October 25, 1987, Rulon Jeffs asked his followers to donate more money for the new building. He told them that for every $1,000 turned in for the new church house, that contributor would be guaranteed a ticket to Jackson County, Missouri (where the Second Coming was to occur) and title to one lot there. This promise was believed by many and they went to great sacrifice to contribute."

This apparent lapse was based, at least in part, upon the feeling that Rulon Jeffs would never die. He had told his followers on several occasions that he would live long enough to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and that he would then personally turn his priesthood keys over to the Savior.

Leroy Johnson’s death surprised many FLDS members. He “had told people that he was going to live until Christ’s return at His Second Coming, that he would be here to turn the ‘Keys of Priesthood back to Him.’ He had set the date of this event to be in the year 1998,” but was apparently mistaken.

"President Warren Jeffs’ exact plans for the colony (at Eldorado) became a little clearer with the dawning of 2005. Reports suggested that he had predicted the end of the world on January first, but when it failed to materialize, his followers were directed to build a temple. Between New Year Day and April fifth, construction proceeded at a frantic pace, sometimes late into the night.


"As April sixth arrived, rumors circulated in Texas and in Colorado City[40] that Jeffs had again prophesied the apocalyptic end of the world."

 

[mollymalone]

I totally agree with you, some of these women did not go with the authorities strictly out of concern for the "children", but to keep the "children" in line. I have thought that since day one. Maybe with them out of the picture the children will be able to open up and not feel threatened.

I've thought that too. Without access to the children or young women there is no reason to stay and that's why they left.

 

[Leila]

Ladybass, here's another article. Some of those women who returned to the compound might be ones who had originally decided to accompany those women/children going with CPS in order to intimidate, control, or coach them.
Some women might have changed their minds on leaving or were (by cell phone) encouraged to return. Those going to women's shelters who did not return seem to be making their bid for freedom from the sect.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/17679389.html

Meanwhile, Rod Parker, a spokesman for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, says a ranch resident told him some of the women had returned to the compound.

Child Protective services says other women chose to go to women's shelters.

The agency says women with children four or under were allowed
to remain with their kids for now.

CPS officials say it is not normal to allow a parent to accompany a child or to even know the child's exact location once a child has been removed because of abuse or neglect.

I really believe that now that the women have been separated from the children, there's a real chance to make progress. Without the women who might be telling the children not to talk, there's a good chance some of the children will open up.

Also, the women who didn't want to return to the compound and were sent to shelters, might be a good source of information.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I really believe that now that the women have been separated from the children, there's a real chance to make progress. Without the women who might be telling the children not to talk, there's a good chance some of the children will open up.

Also, the women who didn't want to return to the compound and were sent to shelters, might be a good source of information.

I firmly agree!!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Anderson cooper is covering this.


NEW DETAILS!!!!!!!!!!!! BBS

 

[mollymalone]

I really believe that now that the women have been separated from the children, there's a real chance to make progress. Without the women who might be telling the children not to talk, there's a good chance some of the children will open up.

Also, the women who didn't want to return to the compound and were sent to shelters, might be a good source of information.

True. In one of the articles when this all started said that 18 young girls were removed and put into foster care then the reports kept coming about how many were being removed over that day and the next. I wonder if they were kept with this group or if they really were immediately placed?

Jeffs said they couldn't use the word fun. They weren't to laugh, he ordered all the dogs shot. He and his followers and predecessors really have ruined a lot of people's lives and stunted their emotional growth. The ones who might have a good chance on the outside are the younger ones and even some of the teenagers, if they respond to the counseling. I wish you luck!!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

New details about the phone call. CNN has been allowed into the compound!

They are saying they are being persecuted for there religion! Denying that they are sexually abusing there children Any marrige that is done is done when the girl is 18, 19, 20...

They beeliev the call is a hoax, They say that it was an outsider. CNN reporter is saying they are doing Damage control

will report more when I can

 

[mollymalone]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy752.html

We can't conclude by virtue of his resignation as president of the corporation sole what he intends with regards to his religious office as prophet," Parker said. It is unclear whether Jeffs continues as the faith's prophet.

In January, just before attempting suicide, Jeffs told family and key sect members he had never been a prophet and named William E. Jessop as the faith's rightful leader.

He apparently later backed away from those statements."

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Lawyers are saying that the woman were not coached.

State is trying to round up attornys for children

They beleive that the mothers rights were violated. and that they did not have to remove all 400 kids from this one phone call.

 

[mollymalone]

"The character Roman Grant, played by Harry Dean Stanton in the HBO series Big Love, is based loosely on Rulon Jeffs, and the character Alby Grant, played by Matt Ross, is similarly inspired by Warren Jeffs."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy722.html

 

[LinasK]

From Molly's link:
Former FLDS members report being taught that "the Holocaust never existed and that the government fabricated the story of man landing on the moon in order to hide tax money" (Page 7).:doh::doh::doh::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[mollymalone]

Lawyers are saying that the woman were not coached.

State is trying to round up attornys for children

They beleive that the mothers rights were violated. and that they did not have to remove all 400 kids from this one phone call.

Who's saying this? FLDS lawyers?

 

[sherri79]

Lawyers are saying that the woman were not coached.

State is trying to round up attornys for children

They beleive that the mothers rights were violated. and that they did not have to remove all 400 kids from this one phone call.

hmmm

well i am so not shocked. the lawyer says the women are not coached so lets just pack up and go home. nothing to see here. how much do they pay this amazing legal mind?

and they did not remove every child due to 1 call. the investigation only began with 1 call. it was the interviews with the children that started the mass removals. does this lawyer really think people will over look that?

 

[sherri79]

From Molly's link:
Former FLDS members report being taught that "the Holocaust never existed and that the government fabricated the story of man landing on the moon in order to hide tax money" (Page 7).:doh::doh::doh::banghead::banghead::banghead:

proof of what inbreeding can do to a IQ

 

[Leila]

Wow.........CNN!

CNN's reporter, David Mattingly, is on right now. He said that when the women returned to the YFZ, the gates were thrown open and all the reporters invited in and allowed to interview the women. Right now CNN is showing a FLDS attorney speaking with the women who returned.

David Mattingly, reporting from inside on compound, says the FLDS says the 16-year-old girl is a hoax and the raid was illegal. They will be arguing that their religious rights have been violated.

Anderson CooperTalking now to Kathleen - surname not given. She was one of those who in Fort Concho. Anderson just asked about those women who have fled the FLDS and told about abuse. She refuses to address his questions, saying that doesn't relate to the children being returned. Anderson just said her statement sounds like she's rehearsed with others what to say. She's now comparing Fort Concho to WWII and the Jews in consentration camps. She says she's 42, a college graduate, and knows her history. She sounds very strange.

Anderson Cooper is now talking with Carolyn Jessop who knows Kathleen and says she's one of Merrill Jessop's wives and the one that almost prevented her from escaping. She says that Kathleen lied to Anderson about the age of her daughter (Kathleen said her daughter is 18), and Carolyn says the daughter is younger and has a 10-month baby.

Clarification............Anderson Cooper told Kathleen that her view of the Jews and WWII differs from his (Kathleen doesn't believe the Holacaust).

 

[mollymalone]

From Molly's link:
Former FLDS members report being taught that "the Holocaust never existed and that the government fabricated the story of man landing on the moon in order to hide tax money" (Page 7).:doh::doh::doh::banghead::banghead::banghead:

That's the tip of it, on one of the links I've posted there are downloads or articles where one can read his racist diatribes against African Americans and others.

One woman who left the flds said she trembled as she reached to touch an African American child because of his teachings. But once she held that baby she couldn't understand how anyone could preach the things he does.