Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Truly]

As I said, I guarantee this attorney is FLDS. In the larger FLDS communities, all law enforcement and "elected" officials are FLDS. There is no way these people could have survived all these years otherwise. If we're lucky, one of those 6 women will be honest about what's happening in these communities. As we have seen, it just takes one....

Remember that there are also 18 pregnant young girls. They might be very young. Who got them pregnant? God?:crazy: The other mothers may try to lie about which child belongs to which mother, but they can't claim that their sister-wife is the one who is pregnant!

 

[barb0301]

Cnn is reporting that "authorities" are saying this. But I dunno what that really means.

I heard this report too, but it was all coming out of Utah and AZ, not out of TX.

The calls in TX from Sarah came into a domestic violence hotline, not 911. The domestic violence hotline does not tape their calls, so there is no recording of them.

 

[Fairy1]

Now that I think about it, many of the mothers I saw on the news were older women - far past child-bearing age. I suppose these would be the legal wives, but most of their children would be above the age of those who are in state custody - particularly if they begin having children at the age of 15 or 16. Let's not forget, many of these mothers have allowed their sons to be left on the side of the road with no resources whatsoever. They won't be nominated as mother of the year.

 

[philamena]

This may very well be true, but they're not all FLDS. I saw a woman on Oprah last week attempting to "explain" the lifestyle. She appeared to be your typical soccer mom and said she willingly chose this way of life. She was definitely not FLDS as she was not wearing "pioneer" type clothing and she lived in the burbs. She also mentioned that her little sister was one of her sister wives. Seriously, who in their right mind, would buy into this? Your little sister? Ewwwww.

gheeseeeeee! :silenced:
ewwww is right. That is just weird. Normal women are not made to share their man with a bunch of other women. :waitasec:

 

[Leila]

Thanks, Ladybass. Interesting. And this is what Texas Law Enforcement has stated, not the FLDS, do I understand that correctly?

Last night CNN reporter, Gary Tuchman, reporting from Colorado City, AZ said that there's been several calls to Flora Jessop, one of the women who escaped the FLDS and now works helping others escape. She's getting calls from a girl who says she's 16 and abused and needs help, but the calls are not coming from Arizona or Texas and are coming from hundreds of miles away. The girl doesn't know where she is. They believe the girl is the same girl who made the call from the YFZ.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I heard this report too, but it was all coming out of Utah and AZ, not out of TX.

The calls in TX from Sarah came into a domestic violence hotline, not 911. The domestic violence hotline does not tape their calls, so there is no recording of them.

The believe the girl was at the compound in texas, but when authorites swept in, they beleive she was whisked away.

 

[mollymalone]

Quoted by cnn on there show on Anderson Cooper 360.

Yes and on Rick Ross's site:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy684.html
as of August 1, 2007: 37,000 Fundamentalists counted in or near Utah.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy683.html
Polygamists numbers broken down by group

 

[mollymalone]

Mollymalone.

I just wanted to thank-you for the time you've taken to post so much information in a such an articulate and thorough manner. :clap:

Thanks a bunch!
Jubie

You're welcome. I thank everyone else here for providing information on this. :blowkiss:

 

[Truly]

Now that I think about it, many of the mothers I saw on the news were older women - far past child-bearing age. I suppose these would be the legal wives, but most of their children would be above the age of those who are in state custody - particularly if they begin having children at the age of 15 or 16. Let's not forget, many of these mothers have allowed their sons to be left on the side of the road with no resources whatsoever. They won't be nominated as mother of the year.

I think you've got that right, Fairy. It adds up. 57 men on the ranch. (51+6)=57 legal wives. Everyone else is either a child or a mother with a child under the age of four.

There were 417 children removed
18 pregnant children
27 teenage boys (so few boys!)
100 children over the age of five
That leaves 145 children at Ft Concho. Some of these are under the age of 5, and some are probably teenage moms.

Also, 139 women originally left the compound with the children.
51 returned
6 went to a safe house, and have now also returned
That leaves 82 women who are still with the 145 kids at Ft Concho.

 

[mollymalone]

I think you've got that right, Fairy. It adds up. 57 men on the ranch. (51+6)=57 legal wives. Everyone else is either a child or a mother with a child under the age of four.

There were 417 children removed
18 pregnant children
27 teenage boys (so few boys!)
100 children over the age of five
That leaves 145 children at Ft Concho. Some of these are under the age of 5, and some are probably teenage moms.

I was wondering why there were so few boys, but perhaps some were out at work on construction sites or elsewhere? Once the raid began the cell phones were probably burning up the airwaves and they weren't allowed to go back to the compound for fear they'd be taken. Of course they're saying these were the handpicked group by Jeffs, perhaps these families all had more girls than boys.

 

[mysteriew]

Now that I think about it, many of the mothers I saw on the news were older women - far past child-bearing age. I suppose these would be the legal wives, but most of their children would be above the age of those who are in state custody - particularly if they begin having children at the age of 15 or 16. Let's not forget, many of these mothers have allowed their sons to be left on the side of the road with no resources whatsoever. They won't be nominated as mother of the year.

I have to confess, when I saw the older women being interviewed my thoughts weren't poor poor mother. My thoughts were more to the point of "old enough to have had little girls 14 years old, and gave them to old men to rape." "Old enough to have run her little boys out of the compound."

You all have talked about how the women almost seemed to be talking from a script. I noticed that too, esp. when the reporter started asking questions that obviously weren't on the script- like giving young girls to old men. One woman esp. hesitated like she had to think what to say about that. Then she refused to answer and said this isn't about that. This is about our children.

 

[Fairy1]

I think you've got that right, Fairy. It adds up. 57 men on the ranch. (51+6)=57 legal wives. Everyone else is either a child or a mother with a child under the age of four.

There were 417 children removed
18 pregnant children
27 teenage boys (so few boys!)
100 children over the age of five
That leaves 145 children at Ft Concho. Some of these are under the age of 5, and some are probably teenage moms.

Frightening. But true. If we, as a society, throw our hands up and say, this is too hard, what message does that send? I know that the Mormons, and that is what the FLDS are - no matter what anyone says - keep meticulous geneology records. Whatever LE confiscated, the information is there. They CAN figure out who belongs to whom. It may be difficult, but it can be done. I'm quite certain there's more than one "Sarah" who could have made that call.....

 

[mysteriew]

You know, there were several locked safes in the compound. I wonder if LE was able to get into all of them?

 

[Fairy1]

I have to confess, when I saw the older women being interviewed my thoughts weren't poor poor mother. My thoughts were more to the point of "old enough to have had little girls 14 years old, and gave them to old men to rape." "Old enough to have run her little boys out of the compound."

You all have talked about how the women almost seemed to be talking from a script. I noticed that too, esp. when the reporter started asking questions that obviously weren't on the script- like giving young girls to old men. One woman esp. hesitated like she had to think what to say about that. Then she refused to answer and said this isn't about that. This is about our children.

What can they possibly say? As a mother, I have to believe that - no matter what has been drilled into their brains - they don't want to give their daughters up to old men. It's not right, no matter what they think. There have been enough "defectors" from the FLDS who have escaped to know that free will still exists - no matter what. People can feel what is right and what is wrong.

 

[mollymalone]

You know, there were several locked safes in the compound. I wonder if LE was able to get into all of them?

Didn't they bring in a jackhammer too during the search? What was that used for?
I bet they did get into those safes, hence the FBI showing up.

 

[Fairy1]

Look at what Warren Jeffs had in his possession when he was finally busted. These people are not Amish, they have huge revenue streams that are used to support their pathetic "prophet." Make no mistake, these people have LOTS of money. Their women do not need welfare.

 

[Leila]

As I said, I guarantee this attorney is FLDS. In the larger FLDS communities, all law enforcement and "elected" officials are FLDS. There is no way these people could have survived all these years otherwise. If we're lucky, one of those 6 women will be honest about what's happening in these communities. As we have seen, it just takes one....

I so hope this is the case! I'd love to see one or more of those women come forward with evidence.

 

[mollymalone]

What can they possibly say? As a mother, I have to believe that - no matter what has been drilled into their brains - they don't want to give their daughters up to old men. It's not right, no matter what they think. There have been enough "defectors" from the FLDS who have escaped to know that free will still exists - no matter what. People can feel what is right and what is wrong.

We'd like to think that in spite of it being drilled into their brains that they don't wish to give their daughters up to old men, however, there are some of those women who are clearly invested in this lifestyle. Granted some they do it because they've been indoctrinated in the lifestyle for so long, and get punished if they speak out.

But if they're a first (legal) wife, they rule the roost over the other women/girls and they get the perks as the real wife. Their status in the hierarchy depends on their husband and if he's a head honcho or high up in the social ranking of this group they're going to share in his reflected glory and are quite happy to be the enforcers who snitch on the younger ones knowing they'll be beaten or abused as a result of their snitching.

 

[mysteriew]

This may very well be true, but they're not all FLDS. I saw a woman on Oprah last week attempting to "explain" the lifestyle. She appeared to be your typical soccer mom and said she willingly chose this way of life. She was definitely not FLDS as she was not wearing "pioneer" type clothing and she lived in the burbs. She also mentioned that her little sister was one of her sister wives. Seriously, who in their right mind, would buy into this? Your little sister? Ewwwww.

I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine kissing hubby at night and then watching him go to bed with someone else, anyone else... but my little sister???!!! Can you imagine sleeping with him afterwards and wondering if another wife pleased him more?

Still, we tend to compare to our own lives. Their lives are different. Maybe they don't watch them off to bed with another. Maybe they all go to bed together.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Didn't they bring in a jackhammer too during the search? What was that used for?
I bet they did get into those safes, hence the FBI showing up.

As far as I have been told by a few people they found automatic guns and granades!