Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #3

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Yes, but once back in they'll be reprogrammed.

Did you notice they all make their voices soft? I presume that's one of the conditions of keeping sweet, is to never raise your voice or talk normally around the men. Edited to add: I've been culling thru the articles finding what the FLDS members have to say and putting it together into a file and they say the same thing on every show or article. There seems to be no variation from the theme.

RE: The HEARING:

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_8947241

Clerks say the hearing before Tom Green County District Judge Barbara Walther will begin at 10 a.m. tomorrow in two venues: Walther's courtroom and the city hall auditorium one block away. Hundreds in the auditorium will be able to watch the proceedings via a closed-circuit television and will possibly be able to participate in the hearing.

Oh I don't doubt they will be reprogrammed, once yoru in it it is hard to get out. And those that do have a hell of a time, staying out of it, and have a hell of a time not returning!

 

[mollymalone]

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695271064,00.html

"she won't have to walk through the courtroom doors Thursday for the state to prove its case of widespread child abuse at the Fundamentalist LDS Church compound. "I think some people have really focused on that (Sarah) but the reality is that her phone call is the reason we went out there, but it was not the reason for the removals," said Greg Cunningham, spokesman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services. The removals happened based on what we saw out there. It was the investigation afterward that led us to believe there was abuse happening in widespread fashion at the compound," he said."

There has been great pressure for state officials to "produce" the child bride, but Cunninghan said she has not been positively identified. He does say that officials believe "she is among the children in San Angelo with us. It is not what we have built our case on," he said. "In our case, what we have found is more than enough evidence that we believe will show that this abuse is happening and these kids are put at risk by returning there."

 

[mollymalone]

i see it as force. what is more of a threat?

have sex with me or i will beat you.

have sex with me or you will burn in hell forever!

these girls are raised to believe these men have power over their very soul. as a victim of child sex abuse i can say the body heals. the scars are left on the soul.

I added "Just coerced in response to their "No one is forced." I see it as forced because they use the mental abuse and threat of loss of salvation as well as the physical abuse.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

have you spoken with the attornys??

Yes

Are the attorny's optimistic???

silence for 30 seconds then " I can't speak for them I dunno"

Just goes to say that there own attorny's are not optimistic.

 

[sherri79]

I added "Just coerced in response to their "No one is forced." I see it as forced because they use the mental abuse and threat of loss of salvation as well as the physical abuse.

i understand now. sorry. :blowkiss:

 

[mollymalone]

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/apr/16/opinions-differ-flds-classification/

"Neither the FLDS nor the YFZ Ranch — scene of suspected child sexual and physical abuse — has filed for status as a nonprofit organization with the IRS, an IRS spokesman said. In Schleicher County, records reflect the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas, has not requested an exemption from property taxes as a religious organization, an option for qualifying property.

The YFZ Ranch’s property tax tab adds up to $1 million from 2004 when the sect first began paying property taxes through 2007, according to the Schleicher County Appraisal District. The tax bill raises the question of how the compound is being funded.

 

[mollymalone]

i understand now. sorry. :blowkiss:

:blowkiss: I ditto what you said.

 

[SieSie]

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/apr/16/opinions-differ-flds-classification/

"Neither the FLDS nor the YFZ Ranch — scene of suspected child sexual and physical abuse — has filed for status as a nonprofit organization with the IRS, an IRS spokesman said. In Schleicher County, records reflect the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas, has not requested an exemption from property taxes as a religious organization, an option for qualifying property.

The YFZ Ranch’s property tax tab adds up to $1 million from 2004 when the sect first began paying property taxes through 2007, according to the Schleicher County Appraisal District. The tax bill raises the question of how the compound is being funded.

Interesting. So, can they get sued for tax evasion or something, I wonder?

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Can we say that this gentlemen (loosley stated) is aware that texas group did and does practices underage marriages??(sex with children) He just admitted it on national television. Hope the CPS got it recorded so they can play it in court tomorow!

 

[mollymalone]

CAROLYN JESSOP: Regarding daily life, when I'm not doing book promotions I get to spend time with my family, something I've never had. When I lived with Merril he required me to work and so I was isolated away from my children and he had other people responsible for the care of my children and the amount of time I was allowed to spend with them was very limited. My children were not allowed to call me mother or mom, they referred to me as Mother Carolyn. My presence in their life was considered no different than any wife. Now they call me mom.

RE: The elaborate hairstyles: "Everything is so restricted and so controlled if you have one area where you can put a little bit of time into yourself, you do it. It's one of their few outlets. It's so controlled, the dress, no personal expression.

To comment on the cult thing ... the FLDS meets the definition of the 10 things that make a cult dangerous and destructive, it contains all 10.

Highly controlling from the time you get up until the time you go to bed at night, including what you're allowed exposure to. You can't watch TV. There used to be a moderate amount of it. When I was there in Colorado City, Ariz., we did not have access to TV, radio, the Internet, newspapers and movies and anything from outside our community. You lived every day in this little town and could only leave with a man and permission.
I went to college in town close to the community and I went with several of my husband's daughters. They monitored everything I did and reported to their dad. I wasn't allowed to work; I was supposed to take a very enormous class load, go to school, and be back so he knew where I was. I never developed relationships with any of the other students because I didn't dare. "

"We have an unofficial count right now of 2,000 boys that have been dumped on the streets of cities and told that the prophet has rejected them"

"Once they've been sent away they know they can never come back."

 

[mollymalone]

Interesting. So, can they get sued for tax evasion or something, I wonder?

The FBI was called in because all of this is related to an ongoing investigation, and in addition to the abuse allegations, it's my OP that they are looking into the fraud and other financial misconduct. Although this group paid their taxes and the property taxes, the question is where did the money come from that they pay it with. If they can prove its been paid for via fraud it's quite probably they could confiscate the properties?

 

[mysteriew]

wow this thread is suddenly very quiet. Is there no body around to defend these poor women?

LOL, I'll take the challenge.

Let's see. They are their children and only they have the right to say how they will be raised. If one of their children dies from child abuse or waterboarding, it is God's will. If one of their children dies from too early pregnancy, it is God's will. If they die from that beating, it is God's will. If the child is born to too young a mother and then dies or the mother miscarries- it is God's will. If they or their daughters disobey their husbands, they deserve to be beaten until they submit- it is God's will. God put them on earth to suffer through this life, but if they are very very good to the church and their husbands then someday, maybe, really maybe- their husband just might choose to allow them to rule a planet with him. Maybe. So above all, their husband must be pleased. They must choose their husband over their surviving children.... it is God's will.

Their sole purpose in life is to please their husbands and be fruitful and have many children. They can own nothing and have nothing, except their children (and those belong to the church.) How will they ever prove to their husbands that they are worthy of being chosen, if they do not have their children? Thus, the state must give the children back.

One thing I am confused about. If each man with three or more wives gets a planet to rule, who are they going to be ruling over? If a child is born too soon or dies young, where do they go? Where do the wives who are not chosen go?

 

[mollymalone]

RE: the three women on the Today Show

Carolyn Jessop: I did see three women today on TV. One of them was a step-daughter of mine. What I'm seeing is that it's scripted. They're saying what they're being told to say by the man (probably Merril Jessop told them what to say). Monica, his daughter, did most of the talking (the one in the middle with red hair and glasses). They seemed that they didn't understand how to answer questions that they hadn't been scripted on.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Admins? Can we start a new thread for tomorows court cases please, so we don't have to scroll through several pages?

 

[mollymalone]

Admins? Can we start a new thread for tomorows court cases please, so we don't have to scroll through several pages?

That might be a good idea since the hearing is slated to be heard over two days time.

 

[Truly]

LOL, I'll take the challenge.

Let's see. They are their children and only they have the right to say how they will be raised. If one of their children dies from child abuse or waterboarding, it is God's will. If one of their children dies from too early pregnancy, it is God's will. If they die from that beating, it is God's will. If the child is born to too young a mother and then dies or the mother miscarries- it is God's will. If they or their daughters disobey their husbands, they deserve to be beaten until they submit- it is God's will. God put them on earth to suffer through this life, but if they are very very good to the church and their husbands then someday, maybe, really maybe- their husband just might choose to allow them to rule a planet with him. Maybe. So above all, their husband must be pleased. They must choose their husband over their surviving children.... it is God's will.

Their sole purpose in life is to please their husbands and be fruitful and have many children. They can own nothing and have nothing, except their children (and those belong to the church.) How will they ever prove to their husbands that they are worthy of being chosen, if they do not have their children? Thus, the state must give the children back.

One thing I am confused about. If each man with three or more wives gets a planet to rule, who are they going to be ruling over? If a child is born too soon or dies young, where do they go? Where do the wives who are not chosen go?

LOL! I had never in my life prior to this thread heard that the FLDS men believe that when they die they go to their own planet! When somebody brought up the planet thing earlier, I thought they were kidding, and asked if the women get to be goddesses of their own planets, too. Wouldn't it be soooo funny if these creeps bit the dust and actually ended up floating all alone in outer space?! :crazy:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

That might be a good idea since the hearing is slated to be heard over two days time.

Maybe a seperate forum would be in order here!? Just thinking by the time is all said and done we could have 30 or more different threads

 

[mollymalone]

LOL! I had never in my life prior to this thread heard that the FLDS men believe that when they die they go to their own planet! When somebody brought up the planet thing earlier, I thought they were kidding, and asked if the women get to be goddesses of their own planets, too. Wouldn't it be soooo funny if these creeps bit the dust and actually ended up floating all alone in outer space?! :crazy:

Quite a few of them might end up in jail and since they'll have lots of time on their hands they can float in their minds to outer space!! I wonder though if the rest of their community will be putting money into their commissary...especially if the authorities put paid to their welfare fraud etc.

 

[mollymalone]

Maybe a seperate forum would be in order here!? Just thinking by the time is all said and done we could have 30 or more different threads

As always, up to the lovely mods!

 

[cheko1]

LOL, I'll take the challenge.

Let's see. They are their children and only they have the right to say how they will be raised. If one of their children dies from child abuse or waterboarding, it is God's will. If one of their children dies from too early pregnancy, it is God's will. If they die from that beating, it is God's will. If the child is born to too young a mother and then dies or the mother miscarries- it is God's will. If they or their daughters disobey their husbands, they deserve to be beaten until they submit- it is God's will. God put them on earth to suffer through this life, but if they are very very good to the church and their husbands then someday, maybe, really maybe- their husband just might choose to allow them to rule a planet with him. Maybe. So above all, their husband must be pleased. They must choose their husband over their surviving children.... it is God's will.

Their sole purpose in life is to please their husbands and be fruitful and have many children. They can own nothing and have nothing, except their children (and those belong to the church.) How will they ever prove to their husbands that they are worthy of being chosen, if they do not have their children? Thus, the state must give the children back.

One thing I am confused about. If each man with three or more wives gets a planet to rule, who are they going to be ruling over? If a child is born too soon or dies young, where do they go? Where do the wives who are not chosen go?

That was good mysteryview!!!!
Made me laugh.....