Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #4

[SweetPea2]

I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

:banghead: OMG! How freakin' hard headed are you? :banghead::banghead:

Testimony says there IS evidence of abuse.

 

[2XL]

I'm still trying to catch up, but we keep talking about the "mother's" fake tears and yet we talk about how babies are waterboarded to teach them not to cry. How many of these women have been "taught" not to cry or show emotion. Certainly not taking their side, but maybe they cannot physically do it anymore.

 

[Hopeful One]

I'm still trying to catch up, but we keep talking about the "mother's" fake tears and yet we talk about how babies are waterboarded to teach them not to cry. How many of these women have been "taught" not to cry or show emotion. Certainly not taking their side, but maybe they cannot physically do it anymore.

That's a good point and something I hadn't thought of. Also, what are the ramifications if they do cry?? Will they be beat? Will the men beat the children when/if they return? That may be something the women are thinking.

 

[Clearly Confused]

How come during interviews they all talk the same? Like they are in a trance or something. It is the weirdest thing I have ever seen. They barely answer questions either. Every question gets answered with ''we need our children back''..Yeah really? What do you NEED them for?

It's freaky for sure! I can't see myself talking calm and in that monotone voice if someone just took my kids. I'd be screeching and whining or whatever else but no emotion..nah..kinda scary.

 

[Leila]

lol, we are not the only one who noticed the "unibrow". The Twilight Zone comparison is the perfect description.

I've been fascinated by the morbid Twilight Zone-like tours of YFZ by sometimes unibrowed FLDS moms

Suzy.................I noted that too!

 

[Clearly Confused]

That's a good point and something I hadn't thought of. Also, what are the ramifications if they do cry?? Will they be beat? Will the men beat the children when/if they return? That may be something the women are thinking.

I never thought of that either. They sound like recordings.

 

[Niner]

Niner, thanks so much for having someone look at that for us. :blowkiss:

Your most welcome, golfmom! To me it also looked like ONE person signed those signatures - so I just took to an expert!!

 

[SweetPea2]

I see some of them crying. I also see alot of confused people. I do believe this was frightening and hard on them. I can't imagine being yanked from my parents or my children being yanked from me and given to "the beast" you gotta remember this is how they have all been taught.

I KNOW there is abuse there but I couldn't help but notice how clean and well groomed they all are.

 

[Linda7NJ]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:banghead: OMG! How freakin' hard headed are you? :banghead::banghead:

Testimony says there IS evidence of abuse.

I gave up! But I do so appreciate this post!:blowkiss:

 

[Pepper]

I didn't see these posted, but if they were, my apologizes.

These are both FLDS websites:

http://captivefldschildren.org/
http://fldstruth.org/

:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

They are asking for donations. Jeeze, ask Uncle Warren. He seems to have plenty of $$ sucked from the labor of children!

 

[LinasK]

Was watching Fox this AM and there was an ACLU attorney on with another attorney. The ACLU attorney was saying that the rights of the mothers and the children were violated because they were separated.

Since the mothers were party to the abuse, they don't get to have those rights, it's the same in any abusive household where the children are removed. The children's rights not to be abused have been violated, and that trumps any parental rights of the abusers!

 

[Pepper]

I see some of them crying. I also see alot of confused people. I do believe this was frightening and hard on them. I can't imagine being yanked from my parents or my children being yanked from me and given to "the beast" you gotta remember this is how they have all been taught.

I KNOW there is abuse there but I couldn't help but notice how clean and well groomed they all are.

I'd like to know how long it takes the women to tie up their hair like that? Since they never cut it, it must take half a day just to wash and dry it and braid it or however they do it.

 

[SweetPea2]

About them crying, I do believe that is considered a sign of weakness. I think Carolyn mentioned this on Nancy Grace the other night.

I also read that they MUST be silent during childbirth!

 

[Leila]

Was watching Fox this AM and there was an ACLU attorney on with another attorney. The ACLU attorney was saying that the rights of the mothers and the children were violated because they were separated. She believed the mothers should be allowed to be with their children because of the emotional distress in the separation.

I say if the mothers are allowed to have their children with them, it opens up the county to more violations of rights. The mothers will claim they are being held against their will if they are held away from YFZ and if they are allowed to go where they wish they will take the children back to the compound, and nothing will be gained.

I think the Texas authorities are doing everything they can to expedite this process keeping in mind what is best for the children. It is bound to be painful for the children but children can and have adapted to change. The only other alternative is to give up and send everyone back to the compound, and that would be a disasterous for the welfare of the children.

Under normal circumstances, a mother isn't allowed to go with the child. CPS removes the child while they do their investigation. In this particular situation, my concern is that the mothers want to be with their children so they can have an element of control, coaching the children what to say.

Initially, when the mothers were allowed to come with the children, it was learned that they were in cell phone contact with the men back at the YFZ ranch and undoubtedly being told to keep everything under control.

 

[SweetPea2]

I'd like to know how long it takes the women to tie up their hair like that? Since they never cut it, it must take half a day just to wash and dry it and braid it or however they do it.

I would think easily half day. And they do the children's hair too! Wonder if they have a salon on the premises?

 

[Pepper]

Under normal circumstances, a mother isn't allowed to go with the child. CPS removes the child while they do their investigation. In this particular situation, my concern is that the mothers want to be with their children so they can have an element of control, coaching the children what to say.

Initially, when the mothers were allowed to come with the children, it was learned that they were in cell phone contact with the men back at the YFZ ranch and undoubtedly being told to keep everything under control.

Exactly! I don't know how else they could sort through this mess.

 

[Leila]

Have they mentioned how many boys versus girls they have in custody yet? I haven't seen it yet and I would really like to know...so much that I tried to call into Nancy Grace last night to see if I could ask that question..lol

It was reported that CPS separated 27 boys from the the group that was removed from the YFZ ranch and sent them to the Cal Farley Ranch for Boys in another part of Texas. From what I understand, the Cal Farley Ranch is a place for troubled boys, but in this case, it puts the FLDS boys in a setting with boys their own ages and provides a healthy life with a lot of outdoor activities.

 

[Clearly Confused]

About them crying, I do believe that is considered a sign of weakness. I think Carolyn mentioned this on Nancy Grace the other night.

I also read that they MUST be silent during childbirth!

Silent during child birth??!!?? That's right there proves that the men control everything. I can see it now...Hubby...oh honey you need to stop that yelling....me...Whack! Silent during child birth...OMG!

 

[SweetPea2]

Silent during child birth??!!?? That's right there proves that the men control everything. I can see it now...Hubby...oh honey you need to stop that yelling....me...Whack! Silent during child birth...OMG!

I need to find that link but at work so I'll have to look when I get home. It also stated there were no pain meds given during childbirth and they were to be silent as well. No way in hell I could do that!

ETA: found the link!

Page 189: FLDS leaders don't look kindly on modern medicine. During childbirth, "a doctor was never present, nor was pain medication ever used. Women were expected to be perfectly silent during childbirth. If a woman screamed or made loud noises she was criticized for being out of control. Sometimes she'd be reprimanded by her husband during her delivery."
http://www.slate.com/id/2189275/?GT1=38001

 

[mysteriew]

Originally Posted by Glow
I agree. I just hope that everyone understands EXACTLY what we are turning these children over to. As per my previous link the state of Texas is not prepared to handle this. Abuse is simply abuse. If it takes place in a home the well meaning government put you in OR it takes place in your familiar home surroundings.

As far as abuse, there is no evidence of abuse of young children at YFZ.

:banghead: OMG! How freakin' hard headed are you? :banghead::banghead:

Testimony says there IS evidence of abuse.

I have asked Glow about that but she seems to have missed my post.

As far as I have read, the case is under a gag order. Which means that no one outside of the investigation is to be told what evidence and witness statements they have or don't have.

Glow does speak with a lot of assurance on the question of what evidence is available. And she has spoken of her expertise and vested interest. Since no evidence is supposed to be released to anyone outside the investigation, I have asked Glow if she is involved in the investigation in some way?